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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 12, 2014 1:17:20 GMT
I was at Peckham Bus Station at 2.55pm on Sunday and to my surprise a full P13 towards New Cross with standing room only after picking up more passengers! When I used it a while back, but from New Cross and on a Saturday, we ended up with a nearly full bus by the time we reached Peckham. All you need is a gap between buses on other routes and people will pile on the "diddy" bus instead. Indeed - selective inadequacy being something of an 'acute' problem along busy corridors. The 407 sometimes suffers from crowding between Croydon and Purley. It ought not to but there might be reliability issues from time to time on other routes that can lead to that happening. It wasn't nice leaving so many people behind when I drove it in the afternoons - maybe I shouldn't have overtaken the 60 along Wellesey Road A slightly odd example of this happening is in Catford where a very densely populated corridor is served by two midibuses, one "diddy" bus and one decker. People trying to get to Catford East will pile on whatever comes first, be it the 124, 160, 184 or 284. I use the 124 and it suffers quite badly from this, though that said it often stays full and standing for at least half a mile into its freehold section along Torridon Road, where I get off. It's always a relief when the 160 turns up first, more chance of getting on the 124 then! It's seldom ideal to have single deckers running along busy corridors between two nodal points also served by deckers, but then there is a history with the P13 east of Peckham and various reasons for its reroutings.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 12, 2014 2:13:39 GMT
When I used it a while back, but from New Cross and on a Saturday, we ended up with a nearly full bus by the time we reached Peckham. All you need is a gap between buses on other routes and people will pile on the "diddy" bus instead. The 407 sometimes suffers from crowding between Croydon and Purley. It ought not to but there might be reliability issues from time to time on other routes that can lead to that happening. Sometimes? Whenever I used it in the Arriva days, it was always crowded between Purley & Sutton and back then it was using 10.7m ADL's - even the section south of Purley can get fairly busy from time to time.
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 12, 2014 4:50:15 GMT
The 407 sometimes suffers from crowding between Croydon and Purley. It ought not to but there might be reliability issues from time to time on other routes that can lead to that happening. Sometimes? Whenever I used it in the Arriva days, it was always crowded between Purley & Sutton and back then it was using 10.7m ADL's - even the section south of Purley can get fairly busy from time to time. Currently, the 407 is still diverted away from Purley but its still busy from Croydon to South Croydon. You still get some passengers boarding that wish to go towards Purley but then get chucked off at Purley oaks, but the majority seem to know that the bus is diverting away from there.
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Post by Danny on Mar 22, 2014 21:12:45 GMT
It was the first day of the increased frequency today.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Mar 23, 2014 15:22:22 GMT
From an observation this afternoon (Sunday) around 3pm, the Streatham bound P13 for the first time had more seats than passengers in Peckham!
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Post by snoggle on Mar 23, 2014 17:07:09 GMT
From an observation this afternoon (Sunday) around 3pm, the Streatham bound P13 for the first time had more seats than passengers in Peckham! Probably because people are confused about the new timetable and when buses are due! People tend to be very clued up about times when buses only run half hourly. I don't know if there's been any local publicity at stops or on the buses (hah!) but the first few days of a very different timetable are always going to throw people. I imagine the school rush tomorrow will be "fun" for those trying to travel.
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Post by Nathan on Mar 23, 2014 19:05:38 GMT
From an observation this afternoon (Sunday) around 3pm, the Streatham bound P13 for the first time had more seats than passengers in Peckham! Probably because people are confused about the new timetable and when buses are due! People tend to be very clued up about times when buses only run half hourly. I don't know if there's been any local publicity at stops or on the buses (hah!) but the first few days of a very different timetable are always going to throw people. I imagine the school rush tomorrow will be "fun" for those trying to travel. I'm pretty sure that most people just go to the bus stop and wait, or even check the time on the countdown site.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Mar 23, 2014 19:54:54 GMT
Probably because people are confused about the new timetable and when buses are due! People tend to be very clued up about times when buses only run half hourly. I don't know if there's been any local publicity at stops or on the buses (hah!) but the first few days of a very different timetable are always going to throw people. I imagine the school rush tomorrow will be "fun" for those trying to travel. I'm pretty sure that most people just go to the bus stop and wait, or even check the time on the countdown site. In the pre-Countdown on the phone era, I used to go to the bus stop at the timetabled time when I was a regular on the 356 which is a nearby low frequency route. The 15 min frequency for me personally is the maximum for turn up and go without the need to consult the timetable.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 23, 2014 23:57:55 GMT
Probably because people are confused about the new timetable and when buses are due! People tend to be very clued up about times when buses only run half hourly. I don't know if there's been any local publicity at stops or on the buses (hah!) but the first few days of a very different timetable are always going to throw people. I imagine the school rush tomorrow will be "fun" for those trying to travel. I'm pretty sure that most people just go to the bus stop and wait, or even check the time on the countdown site. I think people do if they are on a high frequency service. Obviously these days a decent proportion of people check on their phones and time arrival at the stop just before the bus comes. On a route that was previously half hourly on Sundays and is even now only every 20 mins I would expect people to check or, if a regular, know the times. On a day when times have changed, probably without any publicity, then even the regulars will be caught out. Next time they'll know having shouted at the driver saying "and what time is this? Don't you come at xx mins?" and the driver saying "new timetable from today, dear". When I recently used the 404, which is hourly, I was at the start stop in plenty of time as you'd expect for an occasional user. About 5-7 mins before departure time people started appearing from all directions and we ended up with nearly a full load after the first stop. Clearly almost everyone on the bus was a regular who knew the times that it ran.
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 29, 2014 5:24:32 GMT
I finally did the P13 yesterday (Friday). Its normally busy during the last few days near the end of the month so I should of expected the amount of people using it. My leader left 10 minutes before I was due to leave and despite that and the 201 reaching the main stop in Streatham (Becmead Avenue) before me, I still had roughly 20 passengers on board. Had standees by the time I got to Streatham Hill but most got off at Palace Road. I got to Tulse Hill just over 4 minutes late but the school traffic in West Dulwich meant I never made up my time again. I had people standing by the doors when I got out of West Dulwich Station. After serving East Dulwich Sainsburys, I proceeded as normal to the next stop. I then went along Ivanhoe Road and noticed a very busy P13 coming out of Avondale Road. I got past him and went onto Avondale Road when I spotted another oncoming P13. I'm trying to think of the last time I saw two P13s running together but I just can't recall any. My bus was generally busy right through to New Cross. My trip back to Streatham was fairly quiet but I guess it was because my leader wasn't far away from me. When I got to Underhill Road I did see two P13s running only 2 minutes apart so it was obviously to me that there were minor delays on the route. When I got to Tulse Hill, I noticed a oncoming P13 running out of service. It was only until I got to Streatham Hill when I finally saw another P13 in service which was very busy. When I got to Streatham St Leonards, I saw my leader on the other side. I then had a quick look at my duty card and noticed that I only had 5 minutes stand time. I had a nice and easy trip to New Cross but I never caught up with my leader. Going back to Streatham wasn't so bad but the running times in the evening are a bit tight and reached there only 5 minutes late. If there's one thing I liked about the P13 then it is generous meal reliefs we usually get. But this particular duty only gave me 50 minutes and I was 5 late so I only had 45 minutes After a brief chat with the other drivers and having a bite to eat I realised that I was already due to leave So the last thing I need is to get to the Streatham St Leonards bus stop, pick up the passengers there and then sit in traffic for 2 odd minutes while two passengers decide to cross this busy road from the other side, crossing in front of me and wait all that time at the stop until I began moving off before banging on the doors When they boarded they moaned that I should have seen them My response to them unfortunately wasn't good. I overheard them in the bus saying that they didn't see the bus despite walking in front of it. Thankfully, I regained my composure when I spoke to them again just before they got off. Anyway that's my account of the P13 since the new timetable. Too tired to remember any other noticeable points during the day!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 20:35:57 GMT
I understand the P13 will be going two door in July. Will this mean longer vehicles?
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Post by M1104 on May 14, 2014 20:37:43 GMT
I understand the P13 will be going two door in July. Will this mean longer vehicles? It should be from September when the 100 goes to Go Ahead, their redundant buses then moving to the P13.
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Post by Steve80 on Jun 7, 2014 3:34:46 GMT
A new Sunday timetable for the P13 is due from the 22nd with additional running time and other alterations including self drive ferries to and from the garage. I done the P13 once on a Sunday after the new frequencies was implemented. I recall driving a bus from the garage to Streatham but reached there 10 minutes late and I think my leader turned at East Dulwich. It was quite some time ago when I did it but obviously the route is not performing so changes are being made. You would think that if more buses are being introduced to the route then the route would become easier to operate but I guess not
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Post by sw11simon on Jun 7, 2014 6:49:52 GMT
A new Sunday timetable for the P13 is due from the 22nd with additional running time and other alterations including self drive ferries to and from the garage. I done the P13 once on a Sunday after the new frequencies was implemented. I recall driving a bus from the garage to Streatham but reached there 10 minutes late and I think my leader turned at East Dulwich. It was quite some time ago when I did it but obviously the route is not performing so changes are being made. You would think that if more buses are being introduced to the route then the route would become easier to operate but I guess not As long as it remains low frequency, it will be no easier to operate - 4 buses per hour still need to kept in the on time window exactly the same as 3 bph. I imagine the P13 is difficult to timetable due to erratic traffic levels on some of its roads - I bet it is a nightmare trying not to run early during the school holidays!
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 7, 2014 8:14:06 GMT
A new Sunday timetable for the P13 is due from the 22nd with additional running time and other alterations including self drive ferries to and from the garage. I done the P13 once on a Sunday after the new frequencies was implemented. I recall driving a bus from the garage to Streatham but reached there 10 minutes late and I think my leader turned at East Dulwich. It was quite some time ago when I did it but obviously the route is not performing so changes are being made. You would think that if more buses are being introduced to the route then the route would become easier to operate but I guess not This is true. P13 seems to be running a lot worse recently. I now see on a daily occurrence, two successive P13s running together into Streatham Hub. It needs to move to WL in September. It would be better for the scheduling and reliability of the route.
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