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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 16:40:05 GMT
Why is an absolute disaster Whats wrong with a Metroline banner over your 'beloved Uxbridge garage'? Do you have some sort of vendetta against them? Do you have some facts to back up your claim that Metroline are "crap"? They seem to be doing a good enough job to me and I doubt the average passenger will know or care about the change if services continue at the same sort of standard. All my own personal opinions and experiences, this is a forum where we can voice them afterall We've done the state of Metroline's maintenance to death over the years on this forum - We've all seen the picture of the ALX400 with the front headlight missing whilst its still in service, heard about their knackered Darts and the problems they've had with their SEL's. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms by bringing all this up. I'm not an everyday user of their routes, but I've found a number of their drivers to be rude, have zero customer service skills and their driving skills to be borderline dangerous at times. Yes, you get this at most companies, I just happen to notice it most at Metroline. I can only speak as I find but I've never experienced problems with Metroline although I'm sure all operators have a few 'bad apples' What is the problem with the SEL's? I seem to have missed that
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Post by snowman on Apr 10, 2013 16:56:30 GMT
Hang on a minute, some people seem to be treating this as a completed deal
If I read this correctly, it is still subject to TfLs agreement and the competion authorities. Apologies if they have both given their ok, but I haven't yet seen that confirmation.
I can't see any problem with Oz Transit with its scattered garages, but I'm not sure TfL will be so keen on Metroline taking over virtually everything in NW London, would have thought it might object to a couple of garages transferring.
Just plot it on a map, there is tiny Hayes (Abelllio), some London United South of about M4, Arriva on fringes and small London Sovereign operation (none of which have vast spare garage space to aquire routes on tender wins). There is a good chance a number of routes might get one bid (Metroline) so they could bid huge prices, even if they lost a couple of routes initially, Metroline would soon be the only operator in the area with spare garage space so could fleece TfL on all subsequent bids.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 10, 2013 18:39:16 GMT
Everyone is saying about North West London being run by basically Metroline of this all goes through but correct me if im wrong isn't most south of the river bar the extreme south west not Go-Ahead Dominated ?? I dont see what the problem will be though I suppose it is a bit of a unfair competition ! As for the Tower Transit taking over I really do not think anything whatsoever will change except the Branding on the buses and maybe the fleet numbers ?? First capital North is essentially a 1 garage company which is just LI so I dont see why everything will change there or how they operate there routes would change .
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 10, 2013 18:50:21 GMT
Everyone is saying about North West London being run by basically Metroline of this all goes through but correct me if im wrong isn't most south of the river bar the extreme south west not Go-Ahead Dominated ?? I dont see what the problem will be though I suppose it is a bit of a unfair competition ! As for the Tower Transit taking over I really do not think anything whatsoever will change except the Branding on the buses and maybe the fleet numbers ?? First capital North is essentially a 1 garage company which is just LI so I dont see why everything will change there or how they operate there routes would change . Erm, not really. Quite strong competition between Abellio, Stagecoach and Go-Ahead, and in some cases Arriva down here. Metroline would probably have pretty much zero competition. South London has the most competition. Quite a lot of operators around.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 10, 2013 19:20:26 GMT
South London has the most competition. Quite a lot of operators around. Indeed - no route is particularly safe down here! Indeed. Each Garage has it's own individual competitor(s). Metrobus Vs Stagecoach MB vs TB (61, 119, 126, 138, 146, 162, 208, 227, 233, 246, 261, 269, 314, 336, 353, 354, 358, 367, 464, 636, 637, 638, 654, 664, B14, R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10, R11, T32) C vs TL (54, 75, 202) MB vs PD (51, 122, 161) MB vs TL (124, 181, 284, 356) Go Ahead London Vs Stagecoach BX vs PD BV vs PD NX vs TL Q vs TL Arriva Vs Go Ahead London N vs AL DT vs BX DT vs BV N vs SW BN vs SW Metrobus Vs Arriva C vs TC MB vs DT Abellio Vs Arriva WL vs N WL vs BN WL vs TH BC vs TC BC vs N Go Ahead London vs Abellio London Q vs WL SW vs WL NX vs WL PM vs WL MW vs WL
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Post by wh541 on Apr 10, 2013 19:30:23 GMT
Erm, not really. Quite strong competition between Abellio, Stagecoach and Go-Ahead, and in some cases Arriva down here. Metroline would probably have pretty much zero competition. South London has the most competition. Quite a lot of operators around. Over in East London there isn't much competition especially towards Plaistow / Barking / Romford go back 10 years and things were different First had a massive bunch of routes in Ilford competing against Stagecoach & Co.
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Post by Trident on Apr 10, 2013 19:44:39 GMT
Over in East London there isn't much competition especially towards Plaistow / Barking / Romford go back 10 years and things were different First had a massive bunch of routes in Ilford competing against Stagecoach & Co. Yes, there's DX/GY and DM, though the latter is essentially rinsed of all of its work, and DX and GY are fairly small. SI is too small to be able to run anything more. I wouldn't say Stratford or the northern end of East London is pencilled as Stagecoach territory, you have a fair mix of operators around Waltham Forest. Quite often you see changes in the Walthamstow area and I wouldn't be surprised if it was so next time around.
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Post by wh541 on Apr 10, 2013 19:47:19 GMT
Yes, there's DX/GY and DM, though the latter is essentially rinsed of all of its work, and DX and GY are fairly small. SI is too small to be able to run anything more. I wouldn't say Stratford or the northern end of East London is pencilled as Stagecoach territory, you have a fair mix of operators around Waltham Forest. Quite often you see changes in the Walthamstow area and I wouldn't be surprised if it was so next time around. I agree but Stagecoach have strongholds in Canning Town, Upton Park, East Ham, Beckton etc. Since 1994 not much changed compared to other areas of London.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 10, 2013 20:24:21 GMT
I wouldn't say Stratford or the northern end of East London is pencilled as Stagecoach territory, you have a fair mix of operators around Waltham Forest. Quite often you see changes in the Walthamstow area and I wouldn't be surprised if it was so next time around. I agree but Stagecoach have strongholds in Canning Town, Upton Park, East Ham, Beckton etc. Since 1994 not much changed compared to other areas of London. Not sure I entirely agree. Yes Stagecoach has some stronghold routes but First grabbed a lot of work from them as did Go Ahead. Competition has grown in East London over the years and I expect it will continue. Go Ahead have three businesses that can bid for various types of work. Arriva are clearly happy to come stomping in - the upcoming 106 and 230 changes being examples. The 67 has changed hands perpetually. Waltham Forest is the focus of change but places like Stratford and Docklands have not been immune to change. I expect Stagecoach will fight hard to keep existing routes and win new ones but there are no guarantees. They now have an unknown competitor on their doorstep that will be keen to expand if it can. There is no shortage of industrial land in North / East London where a simple garage could be established.
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Post by Volvo on Apr 10, 2013 21:37:42 GMT
Wow this thread really has taken off 11 pages already!
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Post by Trident on Apr 10, 2013 23:12:21 GMT
Wow this thread really has taken off 11 pages already! Well, the excitement within the London Bus industry has certainly built in the past year, and it seems everyone is letting that out all at once ;D
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 10, 2013 23:17:13 GMT
Well, the excitement within the London Bus industry has certainly built in the past year, and it seems everyone is letting that out all at once ;D Nothing much remarkable has happened before this, since the announcement of the first full NB4L conversion. Also nice to see something on here which is not aimed at that thing.
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Post by IanF on Apr 10, 2013 23:27:53 GMT
Also nice to see something on here which is not aimed at that thing. *FreeBBC hat* I wonder if they'll run some NB4L workings on their new routes with the buses from the 24 ;D That hat doesn't suit you mredd. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2013 23:48:38 GMT
Everyone is saying about North West London being run by basically Metroline of this all goes through but correct me if im wrong isn't most south of the river bar the extreme south west not Go-Ahead Dominated ?? I dont see what the problem will be though I suppose it is a bit of a unfair competition ! As for the Tower Transit taking over I really do not think anything whatsoever will change except the Branding on the buses and maybe the fleet numbers ?? First capital North is essentially a 1 garage company which is just LI so I dont see why everything will change there or how they operate there routes would change . As mentioned by others, South London is not dominated by Go Ahead London. The south east has Go Ahead London/Metrobus, Arriva Kent Thameside & Stagecoach London, the south has Arriva London South, Abellio & Go Ahead London/Metrobus whilst the south west has Go Ahead London, Abellio & London United/Quality Line. In stark contrast, only Abellio, London United, Arriva The Shires & London Sovereign but these all have tiny portions compared to the massive portion Metroline will have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 23:56:47 GMT
Also nice to see something on here which is not aimed at that thing. *FreeBBC hat* I wonder if they'll run some NB4L workings on their new routes with the buses from the 24 ;D i was going to ask the same question
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