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Post by towerman on Jul 12, 2013 15:31:28 GMT
First how high did the numbering on their Darts go?Stagecoach Northampton have 35218 to 35226. Second Stagecoach provincial's Eviros are in the 15*** range but recently in Peterborough saw almost identical busses in the 10*** & 19*** range are these Enviros?
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Post by greeny253 on Jul 12, 2013 15:46:53 GMT
Buses in the Stagecoach fleet beginning 15xxx are Scania's so the 15xxx ones you saw were Enviro 400 bodied Scania buses.
With regards to the 19/10xxx range - the full allocation of numbers in the 19xxx series has been used up so they were started over from 10xxx. Hope this helps. The 19/10xxx series numbers are all-ADL Enviro 400's
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Post by snowman on Jul 12, 2013 16:01:13 GMT
The 19xxx series was filled up (actually 199xx had a few special buses in it so they stopped just before 19899) then started again using 10xxx as double decks are numbered 10000-19999
The 15xxx series used to have Dennis Dominators, but after withdrawal was resused for Scania chassis.
12xxx is double deck hybrids.
The 3xxxx series is still in use, need to check but from memory enviro200s are still entering service and up to approx 36850.
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Post by Tangy on Jul 12, 2013 17:29:01 GMT
15xxx coded Enviro 400s are on a Scania chassis, whereas 19xxx (and subsequently 10xxx) are on Trident chassis. As said above the 19xxx series soon got filled up, the last being 19900 based at Chichester, the rest of the 199xx range being filled by special event deckers. The 10xxx range now used for Enviro 400s was formerly used for Titans.
As for Dart SLFs...the last one in the Stagecoach fleet is 35265 based at Exeter. Enviro 200's started the new 36xxx series.
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Post by towerman on Jul 19, 2013 15:49:26 GMT
Thanks for the info.
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Post by towerman on Oct 11, 2013 15:25:03 GMT
Sorry to resurrect this thread,but I've noticed that some of Stagecoach's Darts(esp Alexander bodied)are numbered in the 33*** range even though similar aged Darts are in the 34*** range.When Stagecoach went over to all numeral fleet codes the Darts started at 34001,have these busses been renumbered from 34*** to 33***,and if so why?
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Post by londonbusboy on Oct 11, 2013 19:15:23 GMT
They are probably numbered 33??? because they are alexander bodied, Plaxton bodies are 34???. I may have got that wrong though
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Post by john on Oct 12, 2013 21:14:07 GMT
Sorry to resurrect this thread,but I've noticed that some of Stagecoach's Darts(esp Alexander bodied)are numbered in the 33*** range even though similar aged Darts are in the 34*** range.When Stagecoach went over to all numeral fleet codes the Darts started at 34001,have these busses been renumbered from 34*** to 33***,and if so why? Not too sure why they are 33, but chances are there is something none standard compared to other Darts on the 34/35***. If I remember rightly, the former LCY buses are in the 33*** series while the first ALX200's (34001) from the 230 start the 34*** series. Also if I'm not mistaken, are the Volvo B6's also included in the 33*** series??
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Post by Tangy on Oct 14, 2013 18:44:56 GMT
What the reason for this is down to the origin of the bus when the Stagecoach five digit fleet numbers came into being.
The early 34xxx is composed entirely of (then) London Dart SLFs, this was done so that the former alphanumberic fleet number would then match the new fleet number (e.g. SLD184 becomes 34184). The 33xxx was used for the provincial Dart SLFs (again trying as close as possible to match the fleet number with the registration) hence some gaps.
Once the renumbering was complete, Dart SLFs ordered new since were put in the 34xxx series after the existing London fleet (and carried on into the 35xxx series). Dart SLFs that were bought second hand (or through takeovers) are numbered in the 33xxx series, such as the Sprytes in Lincolnshire are 332xx.
This is much the same way in how the Trident fleet got treated, with London ones being numbered first e.g. TA1 is 17001. Once the London stock was treated, then the provincial Trident fleet was then numbered, carrying on from the London fleet (the lowest numbered provincial Trident is 17612, based in Manchester). Tridents ordered new after this carried on after the provincial fleet (and subsequently into the 18xxx series).
Hope this explains things.
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Post by towerman on Oct 18, 2013 15:21:30 GMT
Thanks Tangy.Have another query,Stagecoach in Northampton have Enviro 400s on their X46/X47 routes numbered 15444/445/446/447/448/449/452/453 & 454.Anyone know the whereabouts of the 2 missing Enviros 15450 & 15451?
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Post by Tangy on Oct 20, 2013 19:55:05 GMT
Thanks Tangy.Have another query,Stagecoach in Northampton have Enviro 400s on their X46/X47 routes numbered 15444/445/446/447/448/449/452/453 & 454.Anyone know the whereabouts of the 2 missing Enviros 15450 & 15451? Yes, they are now with the Gloucester division.
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Post by towerman on Oct 25, 2013 15:14:25 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by towerman on Nov 8, 2013 16:17:56 GMT
Why are some Alexander Darts in the 22*** series when most of the busses in this group are much newer 09 & 60 regs?
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Post by jay38a on Nov 8, 2013 16:41:18 GMT
Why are some Alexander Darts in the 22*** series when most of the busses in this group are much newer 09 & 60 regs? 22**** are used for MAN chassis buses, so the ALXs you see in this series are not darts but MAN/ALX300s. The MAN/E300s are in the same series.
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Post by towerman on Nov 15, 2013 16:21:37 GMT
No they're definitely Alexander bodied'you can tell by the front end.There's 2 Alexander Darts at Northampton S reg 455 & 459 one's 22*** the other 33***.
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