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Post by Mokujin on Sept 14, 2013 12:48:24 GMT
Wrecking Ball: m.youtube.com/watch?v=My2FRPA3Gf8I don't know why she's doing this; I mean the song's okay, but I don't understand all the hammer-licking and gyrating-naked on the Wrecking Ball. She needs help.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 13:36:42 GMT
First, twerking, then this?
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Post by snoggle on Sept 14, 2013 18:45:32 GMT
Well the view from "old fart central" (i.e. me) is that this is just another tiresome attempt to over sexualise a young artist who is still trying to develop her chart music career. The same thing happens to male and female artists and groups - it is all about sex and borderline pornography to appeal to an audience of hyperactive prepubescent children and teenagers with an over developed desire and under developed relationship skills. It may make the artist popular in the short term and may make them very rich but they usually pay in terms of their health and sanity. If you can cope with the appalling sense of shame take a look at the Daily Mail website and look at the truly ridiculous and obsessive approach to "celebrity culture". It's enough to make your skill crawl and I'm a very long way from being prudish. How do people cope with that level of intrusion into their private lives? I know I couldn't - it was stressful enough possibly being seen in vjaska's video of MBK1. There are very few artists who are clever enough to develop sustainable careers and ensure they are actually in control of their destiny. Madonna is the only artist in recent times (I can think of) who has developed from teenie sensation to a more astute and popular artist who has (mostly) kept ahead of trends. She had the outrageous "sex" phase of her career but seemed to be in control of how it was handled rather than being "encouraged" by managers and advisers that gyrating around on a demolition ball and pretending a hammer is a **** is the way to "win friends and influence people". I can't see it changing but I no longer have a big interest in the pop charts. I used to always know what was in the charts and who was who but these days I haven't a clue.
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Post by Mokujin on Sept 14, 2013 19:49:49 GMT
Well the view from "old fart central" (i.e. me) is that this is just another tiresome attempt to over sexualise a young artist who is still trying to develop her chart music career. The same thing happens to male and female artists and groups - it is all about sex and borderline pornography to appeal to an audience of hyperactive prepubescent children and teenagers with an over developed desire and under developed relationship skills. It may make the artist popular in the short term and may make them very rich but they usually pay in terms of their health and sanity. If you can cope with the appalling sense of shame take a look at the Daily Mail website and look at the truly ridiculous and obsessive approach to "celebrity culture". It's enough to make your skill crawl and I'm a very long way from being prudish. How do people cope with that level of intrusion into their private lives? I know I couldn't - it was stressful enough possibly being seen in vjaska's video of MBK1. There are very few artists who are clever enough to develop sustainable careers and ensure they are actually in control of their destiny. Madonna is the only artist in recent times (I can think of) who has developed from teenie sensation to a more astute and popular artist who has (mostly) kept ahead of trends. She had the outrageous "sex" phase of her career but seemed to be in control of how it was handled rather than being "encouraged" by managers and advisers that gyrating around on a demolition ball and pretending a hammer is a **** is the way to "win friends and influence people". I can't see it changing but I no longer have a big interest in the pop charts. I used to always know what was in the charts and who was who but these days I haven't a clue. Definitely *** sells, without that, people like Rihanna, Lady Gaga etc. wouldn't even be heard of. It is hard for people like Leona Lewis etc. to get more fans because we've never heard about her get naked, get drunk or release a *** tape to get more attention. Anyway, the comments people post on some Daily mail articles are really funny though.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2013 21:14:49 GMT
The days of when a musician was sold upon what they wrote, the way they played/sang and how good it is is unfortunately over.
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Post by l1group on Sept 17, 2013 5:26:22 GMT
The days of when a musician was sold upon what they wrote, the way they played/sang and how good it is is unfortunately over. I disagree (partly), only if you step back away from the mainstream scene (as I deliberately have), or listen to other, non "exposing" musicians and you see what many are missing! However, mainstream music is mainly full of personalities that partly are in there, eventually, for the short-term. I mean, will people in 70 years time look back at today's music and remember this? No, I assume, (not by the music, anyway) because music nowadays is not by talent, but rather by personality, amount of attention they have or portrayal of ***. I mean, Justin Bieber could release a not so good song, but his followers wouldn't care! So I partly agree with you on that.
This however makes it very difficult (albeit not impossible) for new "proper musicians" to do well in this climate are slim, yet not impossible. With YouTube, talent ends up being found. Then again, Justin Bieber was found there...
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2013 8:33:43 GMT
The days of when a musician was sold upon what they wrote, the way they played/sang and how good it is is unfortunately over. I disagree (partly), only if you step back away from the mainstream scene (as I deliberately have), or listen to other, non "exposing" musicians and you see what many are missing! However, mainstream music is mainly full of personalities that partly are in there, eventually, for the short-term. I mean, will people in 70 years time look back at today's music and remember this? No, I assume, (not by the music, anyway) because music nowadays is not by talent, but rather by personality, amount of attention they have or portrayal of ***. I mean, Justin Bieber could release a not so good song, but his followers wouldn't care! So I partly agree with you on that.
This however makes it very difficult (albeit not impossible) for new "proper musicians" to do well in this climate are slim, yet not impossible. With YouTube, talent ends up being found. Then again, Justin Bieber was found there... You have a point regarding stepping back from the mainstream music scene though having just thought about, a few mainstream people actually have talent - Jessie Ware & Emeli Sande are just two off the top of my head. Don't worry guys, my beloved Duran Duran are back with their 14th album next year. It's unlikely to dent the charts due to the music climate we live in which is a crime quite frankly.
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