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Post by 6HP502C on May 26, 2014 21:33:29 GMT
I spend a fair amount of my time looking at bus schedules. Given that return trip times are generally kept below 3 hours, I started looking at routes with trip times of longer than 90 minutes. The X26 has a few trips that are 2 hours and 10 minutes long - but then it is a limited stop express route. After that, I believe the 25 has the longest run times with some PM peak trips taking a whopping 121 minutes from end to end  . Driving a long express or night route is one thing, but for the busiest route in London and a high likelihood of serving every single stop on the route, I only hope that trips of this length have a live changeover scheduled. The variance is significant too - the shortest weekday trip time going towards Ilford is 63 minutes. Which other routes have trip lengths of 90 minutes or above - does anyone on here routinely ride or drive from end to end on such routes? |
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Post by snoggle on May 27, 2014 9:55:08 GMT
I spend a fair amount of my time looking at bus schedules. Given that return trip times are generally kept below 3 hours, I started looking at routes with trip times of longer than 90 minutes. The X26 has a few trips that are 2 hours and 10 minutes long - but then it is a limited stop express route. After that, I believe the 25 has the longest run times with some PM peak trips taking a whopping 121 minutes from end to end . Driving a long express or night route is one thing, but for the busiest route in London and a high likelihood of serving every single stop on the route, I only hope that trips of this length have a live changeover scheduled. The variance is significant too - the shortest weekday trip time going towards Ilford is 63 minutes. Which other routes have trip lengths of 90 minutes or above - does anyone on here routinely ride or drive from end to end on such routes? Londonbusroutes.net gives a summary of shortest / longest trip times for every route - strangely the G1 almost trips your 90 minute parameter on weekday AM journeys. Not sure I'd have guessed that one. A quick scan shows a lot of routes which are just under the 90 minute parameter which aligns with your remark about return trip times and I suspect that is deliberate. Of course your observation about route 25 is another aspect which shows why it is a difficult route to run - lots and lots of crew changes plus any delays affects driver hours compliance very quickly. |
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Post by psergeiv on May 27, 2014 12:50:32 GMT
| ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | Route (towards) | distance | run time |
Routes with maximum scheduled running times: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | X26 (Heathrow) | 23.3 miles | 2:10 | | 25 (Ilford) | 11.7 miles | 2:01 | | 23 (Liverpool Street) | 8.5 miles | 1:46 | | 83 (Ealing Hospital) | 12.6 miles | 1:44 | | 341 (Angel Road) | 11.1 miles | 1:41 | | N136 (Chislehurst) | 17.2 miles | 1:38 | | 266 (Hammersmith) | 10.7 miles | 1:37 | | 493 (Richmond) | 14.1 miles | 1:37 | | N8 (Hainault) | 16.7 miles | 1:36 | | 14 (Warren Street) | 7.4 miles | 1.36 |
Routes with longest distance: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | X26 (Croydon) | 24.1 miles | 1:47 | | X26 (Heathrow) | 23.3 miles | 2:10 | | N89 (Charing Cross) | 21.9 miles | 1:32 | | N89 (Erith) | 21.6 miles | 1:14 | | N9 (Aldwych) | 20.9 miles | 1:25 | | N9 (Heathrow) | 20.1 miles | 1:30 | | N47 (Trafalgar Square) | 20.2 miles | 1:26 | | N47 (St Mary Cray Stn) | 20.1 miles | 1:30 |
Routes with highest scheduled speed: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | 246 (Westerham) | 13.4 miles | 0:35 | | (N)321 (New Cross) | 10.0 miles | 0:28 | | 358 (Crystal Palace) | 13.5 miles | 0:38 | | 401 (Thamesmead) | 7.7 miles | 0:22 | | 66 (Leytonstone) | 9.5 miles | 0:27 |
Routes with slowest scheduled speed: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | 14 (Warren Street) | 7.4 miles | 1:36 | | 23 (Liverpool Street) | 8.5 miles | 1:46 | | 8 (Tottenham Court Road) | 6.3 miles | 1:15 | | 11 (Fulham) | 6.7 miles | 1:20 | | 15H (Charing Cross) | 2.3 miles | 0:27 | | 328 (Golders Green) | 8.2 miles | 1:33 | | 28 (Kensal Rise) | 7.5 miles | 1:25 | | 19 (Finsbury Park) | 8.2 miles | 1:32 | | C2 (Victoria) | 5.8 miles | 1:05 | | 9H (Trafalgar Square) | 3.6 miles | 0:40 |
The trips length and scheduled running time may vary.
The numbers above are based on extreme (lowest/highest) distances and scheduled running times. |
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Post by Green Kitten on May 28, 2014 9:28:31 GMT
Nice table, psergeiv, but aren't those distances in miles instead of km?
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Post by psergeiv on May 28, 2014 11:27:21 GMT
Yes, I converted the original distances into kms.
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Post by jrussa on May 28, 2014 16:31:36 GMT
Nice table, psergeiv, but aren't those distances in miles instead of km? You are correct Green Kitten! Most of those figures should be in miles! There are also a few calculation errors. An example in regards to metric error is Route 66. It should be 9.5 miles, which is around 13/14km An example of an error of calculation is Route X26. It is 21 miles, which is 34km. I know for a fact that from Oxford Circus to Ilford is not 11km.. No way! More like 11 miles  psergeiv - I commend you taking time out to post the info...Fix up a few figures and it will be perfect |
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Post by psergeiv on May 29, 2014 8:02:50 GMT
Green Kitten and jrussa thanks for correction. Silly me! I showed figures in miles and marked them in 'kms'. All now corrected!
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Post by RM5chris on May 29, 2014 9:03:55 GMT
MODS MSG: - There is still a bug in the system - so here is Psergeiv's post: -
Green Kitten and jrussa thanks for correction. Silly me! I showed figures in miles and marked them in 'kms'. All now corrected! |
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Post by RM5chris on May 29, 2014 9:05:21 GMT
MODS MSG: - There is still a bug in the system - so here is Psergeiv's table: -
| ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | Route (towards) | distance | run time |
Routes with maximum scheduled running times: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | X26 (Heathrow) | 23.3 miles | 2:10 | | 25 (Ilford) | 11.7 miles | 2:01 | | 23 (Liverpool Street) | 8.5 miles | 1:46 | | 83 (Ealing Hospital) | 12.6 miles | 1:44 | | 341 (Angel Road) | 11.1 miles | 1:41 | | N136 (Chislehurst) | 17.2 miles | 1:38 | | 266 (Hammersmith) | 10.7 miles | 1:37 | | 493 (Richmond) | 14.1 miles | 1:37 | | N8 (Hainault) | 16.7 miles | 1:36 | | 14 (Warren Street) | 7.4 miles | 1.36 |
Routes with longest distance: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | X26 (Croydon) | 24.1 miles | 1:47 | | X26 (Heathrow) | 23.3 miles | 2:10 | | N89 (Charing Cross) | 21.9 miles | 1:32 | | N89 (Erith) | 21.6 miles | 1:14 | | N9 (Aldwych) | 20.9 miles | 1:25 | | N9 (Heathrow) | 20.1 miles | 1:30 | | N47 (Trafalgar Square) | 20.2 miles | 1:26 | | N47 (St Mary Cray Stn) | 20.1 miles | 1:30 |
Routes with highest scheduled speed: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | 246 (Westerham) | 13.4 miles | 0:35 | | (N)321 (New Cross) | 10.0 miles | 0:28 | | 358 (Crystal Palace) | 13.5 miles | 0:38 | | 401 (Thamesmead) | 7.7 miles | 0:22 | | 66 (Leytonstone) | 9.5 miles | 0:27 |
Routes with slowest scheduled speed: | ______________________ | ____________ | ____________ | | 14 (Warren Street) | 7.4 miles | 1:36 | | 23 (Liverpool Street) | 8.5 miles | 1:46 | | 8 (Tottenham Court Road) | 6.3 miles | 1:15 | | 11 (Fulham) | 6.7 miles | 1:20 | | 15H (Charing Cross) | 2.3 miles | 0:27 | | 328 (Golders Green) | 8.2 miles | 1:33 | | 28 (Kensal Rise) | 7.5 miles | 1:25 | | 19 (Finsbury Park) | 8.2 miles | 1:32 | | C2 (Victoria) | 5.8 miles | 1:05 | | 9H (Trafalgar Square) | 3.6 miles | 0:40 |
The trips length and scheduled running time may vary.
The numbers above are based on extreme (lowest/highest) distances and scheduled running times. |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 29, 2014 17:39:23 GMT
I did take the 25 from Ilford to Oxford Circus and it took 2 hours 15 minutes. Overtaken 0 times, Overtook 0 times.
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Post by Nathan on May 29, 2014 18:37:32 GMT
Why am I not surprised the 14 has the slowest schedule speed? I always stay away from that route!
But the 401 will be an interesting ride for me to go on soon...
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Post by IanF on May 29, 2014 20:13:00 GMT
Why am I not surprised the 14 has the slowest schedule speed? I always stay away from that route! But the 401 will be an interesting ride for me to go on soon... Do the 401 at night as thats when its very thrashy. |
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Post by snoggle on May 29, 2014 23:08:50 GMT
Why am I not surprised the 14 has the slowest schedule speed? I always stay away from that route! But the 401 will be an interesting ride for me to go on soon... I've only done the 401 once and it was pretty busy but that's because the 401 in front had conked out in Thamesmead. We had two loads of passengers for our bus. Loved the steep hill it goes up after Belvedere. |
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Post by Curtailment on May 31, 2014 17:11:15 GMT
Those are the average running times for the whole trip. There are far higher averages between stops Some of the more meanly timed 140 trips at night get just 6 minutes (e.g. 0122 to 0128) to get from Northolt station to Yeading Lane/Willow Tree Lane (2.1 miles) - this works out at an average of 21mph, the highest I've found so far. Has anyone found any higher?  |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 2, 2014 20:04:51 GMT
Why am I not surprised the 14 has the slowest schedule speed? I always stay away from that route! But the 401 will be an interesting ride for me to go on soon... Do the 401 at night as thats when its very thrashy. TC's buses also get hammered in the evenings - I am partial to a ride on the 60, 194 and 197 in the evenings. The same can be said of many routes where the driver is on their last trip. |
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. Driving a long express or night route is one thing, but for the busiest route in London and a high likelihood of serving every single stop on the route, I only hope that trips of this length have a live changeover scheduled. The variance is significant too - the shortest weekday trip time going towards Ilford is 63 minutes.
