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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2014 19:21:04 GMT
LT257 on route 8 smashed into by VN36139 on route 25 on High Holborn near Holborn Tube. tweet 1tweet 2tweet 3tweet 4LVF confirms LT257 came off service at about 1630. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 19:28:56 GMT
LT257 on route 8 smashed into by VN36139 on route 25 on High Holborn near Holborn Tube. tweet 1tweet 2tweet 3tweet 4LVF confirms LT257 came off service at about 1630. The LT really is unlucky  |
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Post by guybowden on Aug 5, 2014 19:40:00 GMT
No matter how big or small the accidents the LTs have they are always going be in the news/social media.
After reading bits of the first book published by capital transport about the LTs it mentioned about the rear roof dome and engine cover were Wrights own composite material. I'm guessing this is carbon fiber of similar grade to that used in Formula 1 as the bonnet cover/boot on that LT doesn't look that damaged/out of shape compared to if it was made out of fiber glass!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2014 19:57:13 GMT
No matter how big or small the accidents the LTs have they are always going be in the news/social media. After reading bits of the first book published by capital transport about the LTs it mentioned about the rear roof dome and engine cover were Wrights own composite material. I'm guessing this is carbon fiber of similar grade to that used in Formula 1 as the bonnet cover/boot on that LT doesn't look that damaged/out of shape compared to if it was made out of fiber glass! Nice way for Wrights to have a monopoly over the supply of certain body parts! I wonder if TfL have capped the potential for price increases?  I recently saw some photos, on John Lidstone's Flickr stream, of the engine compartment of a NB4L. First time I've seen inside and it's amazing what is stuffed into the corner of those vehicles. I wonder if the special composite material is there to act as additional protection for what is a very vulnerable but expensive bit of the vehicle? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:29:01 GMT
Why do people think the New Routemaster crash or bump is a major thing? The New Routemaster is just a bus type, just like any ordinary bus types the drivers are the ones causing the accident, why don't they comment about them instead of laughing and getting angry about a bus type crashed.
What about the incident from Romford where the bus from the bus stand rolled back and smashed the front of the house causing the homeowners to move into temporary accommodation till the house is repaired. There can be many ways how the bus rolled back, ranging from the driver allegedly forgot to put the handbrake on or the hydraulic brakes of the bus gave up which causes the bus to roll back. Anything can happen in the incident. Why I don't see tabloids or bloggers write an article on something like that? They truly need to feel for the homeowners that have no house because of the incident. (Yes I know it's on the local newspaper)
Instead of people on the internet blaming TFL for the new Routemaster crashing a vehicle or getting crashed by a vehicle behind. Why can't they find something else more serious to write up? TFL is not going to do a project on launching a passenger spacecraft to Mars where naysayers think it will all end up going wrong. There are more serious things which TFL is doing.
The naysayers need to stop blaming Mayor or TFL for the withdrawal of the 9H, Withdrawal of cash fares or various projects done behind the GLA's back. TFL are implementing new bells and whistles like the Upper deck seat availability monitors, Passenger information screens, onboard wifi on buses and bus sensors which innovate bus services for London, I don't see the naysayers praising the new technology on buses instead they like to constantly bash the New Routemaster. Operators and some people like the New Routemaster because of all the publicity and naysayers need to get over it.
If route 207 is up for tender and another operator like London United won the contract with New Routemaster vehicles, then who is it to blame because the operator and London Buses agree to have the route run with a specific bus type.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:40:22 GMT
Why do people think the New Routemaster crash or bump is a major thing? The New Routemaster is just a bus type, just like any ordinary bus types the drivers are the ones causing the accident, why don't they comment about them instead of laughing and getting angry about a bus type crashed. What about the incident from Romford where the bus from the bus stand rolled back and smashed the front of the house causing the homeowners to move into temporary accommodation till the house is repaired. There can be many ways how the bus rolled back, ranging from the driver allegedly forgot to put the handbrake on or the hydraulic brakes of the bus gave up which causes the bus to roll back. Anything can happen in the incident. Why I don't see tabloids or bloggers write an article on something like that? They truly need to feel for the homeowners that have no house because of the incident. (Yes I know it's on the local newspaper) Instead of people on the internet blaming TFL for the new Routemaster crashing a vehicle or getting crashed by a vehicle behind. Why can't they find something else more serious to write up? TFL is not going to do a project on launching a passenger spacecraft to Mars where naysayers think it will all end up going wrong. There are more serious things which TFL is doing. The naysayers need to stop blaming Mayor or TFL for the withdrawal of the 9H, Withdrawal of cash fares or various projects done behind the GLA's back. TFL are implementing new bells and whistles like the Upper deck seat availability monitors, Passenger information screens, onboard wifi on buses and bus sensors which innovate bus services for London, I don't see the naysayers praising the new technology on buses instead they like to constantly bash the New Routemaster. Operators and some people like the New Routemaster because of all the publicity and naysayers need to get over it. If route 207 is up for tender and another operator like London United won the contract with New Routemaster vehicles, then who is it to blame because the operator and London Buses agree to have the route run with a specific bus type. this works better than Horlicks  |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 5, 2014 21:31:29 GMT
Why do people think the New Routemaster crash or bump is a major thing? The New Routemaster is just a bus type, just like any ordinary bus types the drivers are the ones causing the accident, why don't they comment about them instead of laughing and getting angry about a bus type crashed. What about the incident from Romford where the bus from the bus stand rolled back and smashed the front of the house causing the homeowners to move into temporary accommodation till the house is repaired. There can be many ways how the bus rolled back, ranging from the driver allegedly forgot to put the handbrake on or the hydraulic brakes of the bus gave up which causes the bus to roll back. Anything can happen in the incident. Why I don't see tabloids or bloggers write an article on something like that? They truly need to feel for the homeowners that have no house because of the incident. (Yes I know it's on the local newspaper) Instead of people on the internet blaming TFL for the new Routemaster crashing a vehicle or getting crashed by a vehicle behind. Why can't they find something else more serious to write up? TFL is not going to do a project on launching a passenger spacecraft to Mars where naysayers think it will all end up going wrong. There are more serious things which TFL is doing. The naysayers need to stop blaming Mayor or TFL for the withdrawal of the 9H, Withdrawal of cash fares or various projects done behind the GLA's back. TFL are implementing new bells and whistles like the Upper deck seat availability monitors, Passenger information screens, onboard wifi on buses and bus sensors which innovate bus services for London, I don't see the naysayers praising the new technology on buses instead they like to constantly bash the New Routemaster. Operators and some people like the New Routemaster because of all the publicity and naysayers need to get over it. If route 207 is up for tender and another operator like London United won the contract with New Routemaster vehicles, then who is it to blame because the operator and London Buses agree to have the route run with a specific bus type. this works better than Horlicks It is the literary equivalent of General Anaesthetic, but @freebbc has a point... only thing is, the humble E400 such as the one that destroyed the house in Harold Hill, didn't cost six times the price of a normal bus... though the new Routemaster is a thing of beauty, it is still a novelty to Joe Public I'd post a pic on Twitter if I'd seen it myself, because we all love drama  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:05:54 GMT
this works better than Horlicks It is the literary equivalent of General Anaesthetic, but @freebbc has a point... only thing is, the humble E400 such as the one that destroyed the house in Harold Hill, didn't cost six times the price of a normal bus... though the new Routemaster is a thing of beauty, it is still a novelty to Joe Public I'd post a pic on Twitter if I'd seen it myself, because we all love drama I wouldn't care if the New Routemaster costs the same as a prototype, but its a bus with an extra bells and whistles like the 2nd staircase and convertible open platform which makes it expensive then the ordinary bus. Plus its economical and reliable to any other competing bus types. I give you couple of examples, if theres a pile up of conventional buses, it would only end up on local news. If there's a pile up of New Routemaster buses, oh sure it would end up on International News so much that news outlets like MSNBC or RT would pick up on it. All it is, is a bus type just like any ordinary bus. If Alexander Dennis design one equivalent to the Wrightbus New Routemaster with the convertible open platform and 2nd staircase then would the naysayers on social media and tabloids would jump on it if there's an incident involved with the bus ADL designed? There are much more serious problems then the New Routemaster having bumps and bruises, but why naysayers would jump on like it's a Meme to see it crashed for? Just have faith on the passengers and staff that got involved in the collision, not making the specific bus type a laughing stock! All bus types have their own problems, time that people respect the manufacture and the workers that built and designed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:12:33 GMT
It is the literary equivalent of General Anaesthetic, but @freebbc has a point... only thing is, the humble E400 such as the one that destroyed the house in Harold Hill, didn't cost six times the price of a normal bus... though the new Routemaster is a thing of beauty, it is still a novelty to Joe Public I'd post a pic on Twitter if I'd seen it myself, because we all love drama I wouldn't care if the New Routemaster costs the same as a prototype, but its a bus with an extra bells and whistles like the 2nd staircase and convertible open platform which makes it expensive then the ordinary bus. Plus its economical and reliable to any other competing bus types. I give you couple of examples, if theres a pile up of conventional buses, it would only end up on local news. If there's a pile up of New Routemaster buses, oh sure it would end up on International News so much that news outlets like MSNBC or RT would pick up on it. All it is, is a bus type just like any ordinary bus. If Alexander Dennis design one equivalent to the Wrightbus New Routemaster with the convertible open platform and 2nd staircase then would the naysayers on social media and tabloids would jump on it if there's an incident involved with the bus ADL designed? There are much more serious problems then the New Routemaster having bumps and bruises, but why naysayers would jump on like it's a Meme to see it crashed for? Just have faith on the passengers and staff that got involved in the collision, not making the specific bus type a laughing stock! All bus types have their own problems, time that people respect the manufacture and the workers that built and designed it. sorry I disagree, the Stagecoach 174 bus had a fair amount of media coverage with a reporter live at the scene. There is not much you can do about people tweeting as its just the nature of Twitter. I can't remember the last time I see a LT crash on the news. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 5, 2014 22:21:39 GMT
It is the literary equivalent of General Anaesthetic, but @freebbc has a point... only thing is, the humble E400 such as the one that destroyed the house in Harold Hill, didn't cost six times the price of a normal bus... though the new Routemaster is a thing of beauty, it is still a novelty to Joe Public I'd post a pic on Twitter if I'd seen it myself, because we all love drama I wouldn't care if the New Routemaster costs the same as a prototype, but its a bus with an extra bells and whistles like the 2nd staircase and convertible open platform which makes it expensive then the ordinary bus. Plus its economical and reliable to any other competing bus types. I give you couple of examples, if theres a pile up of conventional buses, it would only end up on local news. If there's a pile up of New Routemaster buses, oh sure it would end up on International News so much that news outlets like MSNBC or RT would pick up on it. All it is, is a bus type just like any ordinary bus. If Alexander Dennis design one equivalent to the Wrightbus New Routemaster with the convertible open platform and 2nd staircase then would the naysayers on social media and tabloids would jump on it if there's an incident involved with the bus ADL designed? There are much more serious problems then the New Routemaster having bumps and bruises, but why naysayers would jump on like it's a Meme to see it crashed for? Just have faith on the passengers and staff that got involved in the collision, not making the specific bus type a laughing stock! All bus types have their own problems, time that people respect the manufacture and the workers that built and designed it. To quote Michael Winner and David Cameron - "calm down dear".  If it is only a bus why do you have to write hundreds of words about it? It is a bus that is inextricably linked with Boris. Boris has a local and national and international profile. Things associated with him will inevitably get more attention. That is how things are and it won't change until he's dead. Boris will always have a public profile. He has done nothing to dissociate himself from the NB4L or to stop people calling it the "Boris Bus". This is because he *loves* the association with things like the bus and the bikes because he thinks it will do him some political good and because he has an enormous ego. We know you love the NB4L, we know you want us to love the NB4L too. Some of us will never love it. Learn to accept this and you life will be less stressed and much calmer. Night night, mind the Boris Buses don't bite.  |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 5, 2014 22:51:27 GMT
I wouldn't care if the New Routemaster costs the same as a prototype, but its a bus with an extra bells and whistles like the 2nd staircase and convertible open platform which makes it expensive then the ordinary bus. Plus its economical and reliable to any other competing bus types. I give you couple of examples, if theres a pile up of conventional buses, it would only end up on local news. If there's a pile up of New Routemaster buses, oh sure it would end up on International News so much that news outlets like MSNBC or RT would pick up on it. All it is, is a bus type just like any ordinary bus. If Alexander Dennis design one equivalent to the Wrightbus New Routemaster with the convertible open platform and 2nd staircase then would the naysayers on social media and tabloids would jump on it if there's an incident involved with the bus ADL designed? There are much more serious problems then the New Routemaster having bumps and bruises, but why naysayers would jump on like it's a Meme to see it crashed for? Just have faith on the passengers and staff that got involved in the collision, not making the specific bus type a laughing stock! All bus types have their own problems, time that people respect the manufacture and the workers that built and designed it. To quote Michael Winner and David Cameron - "calm down dear". If it is only a bus why do you have to write hundreds of words about it? It is a bus that is inextricably linked with Boris. Boris has a local and national and international profile. Things associated with him will inevitably get more attention. That is how things are and it won't change until he's dead. Boris will always have a public profile. He has done nothing to dissociate himself from the NB4L or to stop people calling it the "Boris Bus". This is because he *loves* the association with things like the bus and the bikes because he thinks it will do him some political good and because he has an enormous ego. We know you love the NB4L, we know you want us to love the NB4L too. Some of us will never love it. Learn to accept this and you life will be less stressed and much calmer. Night night, mind the Boris Buses don't bite. he might be upset that two Wrightbus products collided with each other, and feels upset that The Universe is pro ADL... It's a bash that happened in a busy part of town. I think people felt sorry for the new RM, and saw the incompetence of the driver of the 25... and so tweeted pics... |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 5, 2014 22:54:02 GMT
It is the literary equivalent of General Anaesthetic, but @freebbc has a point... only thing is, the humble E400 such as the one that destroyed the house in Harold Hill, didn't cost six times the price of a normal bus... though the new Routemaster is a thing of beauty, it is still a novelty to Joe Public I'd post a pic on Twitter if I'd seen it myself, because we all love drama I wouldn't care if the New Routemaster costs the same as a prototype, but its a bus with an extra bells and whistles like the 2nd staircase and convertible open platform which makes it expensive then the ordinary bus. Plus its economical and reliable to any other competing bus types. I give you couple of examples, if theres a pile up of conventional buses, it would only end up on local news. If there's a pile up of New Routemaster buses, oh sure it would end up on International News so much that news outlets like MSNBC or RT would pick up on it. All it is, is a bus type just like any ordinary bus. If Alexander Dennis design one equivalent to the Wrightbus New Routemaster with the convertible open platform and 2nd staircase then would the naysayers on social media and tabloids would jump on it if there's an incident involved with the bus ADL designed? There are much more serious problems then the New Routemaster having bumps and bruises, but why naysayers would jump on like it's a Meme to see it crashed for? Just have faith on the passengers and staff that got involved in the collision, not making the specific bus type a laughing stock! All bus types have their own problems, time that people respect the manufacture and the workers that built and designed it. A couple of issues here: If it's the most reliable bus there is, why doesn't the air system work properly on many LT's? Wrightbus is already respected, Boris & TfL are the ones getting it in their neck over the LT's, have heard extremely little criticism of Wrightbus in regards to the LT's If there was a huge pile up of any buses (regardless of type), it would get most likely shown depending on the nature and severity of the incident. As 'snoggle' said, you need to get over the fact that not everything likes the LT's. If everyone shared your opinion, the world would be such a boring place. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 23:48:34 GMT
First of all, theres too much to quote on, but I do with the tagging to respond as possible. @dan I know that ITV London news picked up on the story. I am thinking more of the amateur blogger sites writing articles after articles about the incident. snoggle Well I know the big huge link between Boris Johnson and 'his' New Routemaster bus. Well would he go over to Leeds and praise the New Routemaster being demonstrated in Leeds? He is just a politician, just like any other elected representative, he was never in charge of the blue prints, design and manufacturing of the New Routemaster bus? The project managers at TFL is the ones that are in charge and I give respect to them for their very hard effort. TFL is the lead innovation of public transport ranging from smartcards to fast boarding and the bus type which First Leeds is demonstrating. As you mentioned after death, of course his legacy would remain, probably a statue of Boris would be erected outside City Hall next to Ken Livingstone (Just an opinion). Probably a next generation of people would adopt his ideology and implement it to society. One thing which frustrates me is, why is the New Bus for London/New Routemaster nicked named a BorisBus or Borismaster for? It's all a wind up in my books but I never have a go at anyone using it. I never seen someone giving a portmanteau on a bus type, but there been nicknames like the Daimler Fleetline labeled as a Londoner. But the original New Bus for London is the Spirit of London Enviro400 type. I never seen it nor the bendy bus being called a Kenmaster? Oh with the bendy buses, why would people jump on with Bendy Bus fires all because of a mechanical failure? It's not fair for the mechanics that done their very hard work to get the buses maintained correctly but the bus type gets humiliated because of the incident. Why would people treat the New Routemaster as a Cult of Personality for? I know I keep rambling on, I just leave it for a bit. ServerKing Why would you think the universe would be pro ADL? Well its basically a collision where the driver forgot to control the bus properly or something. Anything can happen what happened and CCTV can prove it. There is no need to blame the manufacture for the fault of the crash. vjaska Well just like any other bus type, they have air cooling problems as well. But with the New Routemaster where they have no opening windows, I said time and time again that it should be tested before they officially enter it into service just like the wheelchair ramp. I know not everyone like the New Routemaster, but there may be some people that don't like the original AEC Routemaster as well. But at the end of the day, I am not mentally obsessed with the bus unlike couple years ago when I first joined the forum. I am trying to find ways to get the bus type to be equal to any other bus type. I wouldn't go out to London and tell every conductor on the NRM that the bus is good, it makes me more silly doing that stuff. But the bus type is there for a reason which is the open platform which is one popular demand where passengers on some routes can hop on and off between stops so they don't get late to their appointments...etc. A refreshed Double Decker icon for London as well for Great Britain as well. And a new bus type which would be eye catching as the original Routemaster bus and it's publicity on world tours and Top Gear show. So roll on for the two door New Routemaster bus so operators can buy it as an option upon new tender wins. At the end of the day, I know its a bus type and I hate it when people treats it as a laughing stock Meme. |
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Post by COBO on Aug 6, 2014 0:24:32 GMT
First of all, theres too much to quote on, but I do with the tagging to respond as possible. @dan I know that ITV London news picked up on the story. I am thinking more of the amateur blogger sites writing articles after articles about the incident. snoggle Well I know the big huge link between Boris Johnson and 'his' New Routemaster bus. Well would he go over to Leeds and praise the New Routemaster being demonstrated in Leeds? He is just a politician, just like any other elected representative, he was never in charge of the blue prints, design and manufacturing of the New Routemaster bus? The project managers at TFL is the ones that are in charge and I give respect to them for their very hard effort. TFL is the lead innovation of public transport ranging from smartcards to fast boarding and the bus type which First Leeds is demonstrating. As you mentioned after death, of course his legacy would remain, probably a statue of Boris would be erected outside City Hall next to Ken Livingstone (Just an opinion). Probably a next generation of people would adopt his ideology and implement it to society. One thing which frustrates me is, why is the New Bus for London/New Routemaster nicked named a BorisBus or Borismaster for? It's all a wind up in my books but I never have a go at anyone using it. I never seen someone giving a portmanteau on a bus type, but there been nicknames like the Daimler Fleetline labeled as a Londoner. But the original New Bus for London is the Spirit of London Enviro400 type. I never seen it nor the bendy bus being called a Kenmaster? Oh with the bendy buses, why would people jump on with Bendy Bus fires all because of a mechanical failure? It's not fair for the mechanics that done their very hard work to get the buses maintained correctly but the bus type gets humiliated because of the incident. Why would people treat the New Routemaster as a Cult of Personality for? I know I keep rambling on, I just leave it for a bit. ServerKing Why would you think the universe would be pro ADL? Well its basically a collision where the driver forgot to control the bus properly or something. Anything can happen what happened and CCTV can prove it. There is no need to blame the manufacture for the fault of the crash. vjaska Well just like any other bus type, they have air cooling problems as well. But with the New Routemaster where they have no opening windows, I said time and time again that it should be tested before they officially enter it into service just like the wheelchair ramp. I know not everyone like the New Routemaster, but there may be some people that don't like the original AEC Routemaster as well. But at the end of the day, I am not mentally obsessed with the bus unlike couple years ago when I first joined the forum. I am trying to find ways to get the bus type to be equal to any other bus type. I wouldn't go out to London and tell every conductor on the NRM that the bus is good, it makes me more silly doing that stuff. But the bus type is there for a reason which is the open platform which is one popular demand where passengers on some routes can hop on and off between stops so they don't get late to their appointments...etc. A refreshed Double Decker icon for London as well for Great Britain as well. And a new bus type which would be eye catching as the original Routemaster bus and it's publicity on world tours and Top Gear show. So roll on for the two door New Routemaster bus so operators can buy it as an option upon new tender wins. At the end of the day, I know its a bus type and I hate it when people treats it as a laughing stock Meme. Why would a operator want a two door New Routemaster? |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 6, 2014 5:42:57 GMT
First of all, theres too much to quote on, but I do with the tagging to respond as possible. @dan I know that ITV London news picked up on the story. I am thinking more of the amateur blogger sites writing articles after articles about the incident. snoggle Well I know the big huge link between Boris Johnson and 'his' New Routemaster bus. Well would he go over to Leeds and praise the New Routemaster being demonstrated in Leeds? He is just a politician, just like any other elected representative, he was never in charge of the blue prints, design and manufacturing of the New Routemaster bus? The project managers at TFL is the ones that are in charge and I give respect to them for their very hard effort. TFL is the lead innovation of public transport ranging from smartcards to fast boarding and the bus type which First Leeds is demonstrating. As you mentioned after death, of course his legacy would remain, probably a statue of Boris would be erected outside City Hall next to Ken Livingstone (Just an opinion). Probably a next generation of people would adopt his ideology and implement it to society. One thing which frustrates me is, why is the New Bus for London/New Routemaster nicked named a BorisBus or Borismaster for? It's all a wind up in my books but I never have a go at anyone using it. I never seen someone giving a portmanteau on a bus type, but there been nicknames like the Daimler Fleetline labeled as a Londoner. But the original New Bus for London is the Spirit of London Enviro400 type. I never seen it nor the bendy bus being called a Kenmaster? Oh with the bendy buses, why would people jump on with Bendy Bus fires all because of a mechanical failure? It's not fair for the mechanics that done their very hard work to get the buses maintained correctly but the bus type gets humiliated because of the incident. Why would people treat the New Routemaster as a Cult of Personality for? I know I keep rambling on, I just leave it for a bit. ServerKing Why would you think the universe would be pro ADL? Well its basically a collision where the driver forgot to control the bus properly or something. Anything can happen what happened and CCTV can prove it. There is no need to blame the manufacture for the fault of the crash. vjaska Well just like any other bus type, they have air cooling problems as well. But with the New Routemaster where they have no opening windows, I said time and time again that it should be tested before they officially enter it into service just like the wheelchair ramp. I know not everyone like the New Routemaster, but there may be some people that don't like the original AEC Routemaster as well. But at the end of the day, I am not mentally obsessed with the bus unlike couple years ago when I first joined the forum. I am trying to find ways to get the bus type to be equal to any other bus type. I wouldn't go out to London and tell every conductor on the NRM that the bus is good, it makes me more silly doing that stuff. But the bus type is there for a reason which is the open platform which is one popular demand where passengers on some routes can hop on and off between stops so they don't get late to their appointments...etc. A refreshed Double Decker icon for London as well for Great Britain as well. And a new bus type which would be eye catching as the original Routemaster bus and it's publicity on world tours and Top Gear show. So roll on for the two door New Routemaster bus so operators can buy it as an option upon new tender wins. At the end of the day, I know its a bus type and I hate it when people treats it as a laughing stock Meme. Why would a operator want a two door New Routemaster? To prevent the inevitable fare dodging when peeps cotton on that the Customer Assistant / Conductor has no powers for Fare Enforcement But when the bus is in OPO mode with the rear platform closed, it is a two-door bus... problem solved. As for the Meme, we are working on one, just as a suitable pic in Jack's library appears, I'll get onto it |
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