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Post by snoggle on Aug 28, 2014 23:57:03 GMT
The street works taking place in Wood Green are due to affect bus services more seriously than they have done so far. Based on info shared on the London's Transport Yahoo Group the following will happen on 1 September. The info was posted on stops in the High Road.
121 232 329 and the 221s going beyond N Finchley - curtailed at Wood Green
144 - diverted via Westbury Avenue (the routeing of the original 144!)
230 - curtailed at Turnpike Lane
W4 - split into unconnected sections: Ferry Lane & Turnpike Lane Stn; Wood Green & Oakthorpe Park
There was nothing on the TfL website earlier this evening when I checked for service changes / real time bus disruptions changes for next week. This is going to cause some real confusion and disruption for people. I imagine I-Bus / Countdown will struggle too because there should also be new schedules for the 41, 123 and W4 due to Tott Hale Bus Stn opening a week later. I feel sorry for the operators trying to create new schedules for this lot.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 29, 2014 0:09:03 GMT
The street works taking place in Wood Green are due to affect bus services more seriously than they have done so far. Based on info shared on the London's Transport Yahoo Group the following will happen on 1 September. The info was posted on stops in the High Road. 121 232 329 and the 221s going beyond N Finchley - curtailed at Wood Green 144 - diverted via Westbury Avenue (the routeing of the original 144!) 230 - curtailed at Turnpike Lane W4 - split into unconnected sections: Ferry Lane & Turnpike Lane Stn; Wood Green & Oakthorpe Park There was nothing on the TfL website earlier this evening when I checked for service changes / real time bus disruptions changes for next week. This is going to cause some real confusion and disruption for people. I imagine I-Bus / Countdown will struggle too because there should also be new schedules for the 41, 123 and W4 due to Tott Hale Bus Stn opening a week later. I feel sorry for the operators trying to create new schedules for this lot. So you would assume that the 29, 67, 141 and the 123 will operate as normal - unless these routes gave been forgotten/diverted |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 29, 2014 0:30:11 GMT
The street works taking place in Wood Green are due to affect bus services more seriously than they have done so far. Based on info shared on the London's Transport Yahoo Group the following will happen on 1 September. The info was posted on stops in the High Road. 121 232 329 and the 221s going beyond N Finchley - curtailed at Wood Green 144 - diverted via Westbury Avenue (the routeing of the original 144!) 230 - curtailed at Turnpike Lane W4 - split into unconnected sections: Ferry Lane & Turnpike Lane Stn; Wood Green & Oakthorpe Park There was nothing on the TfL website earlier this evening when I checked for service changes / real time bus disruptions changes for next week. This is going to cause some real confusion and disruption for people. I imagine I-Bus / Countdown will struggle too because there should also be new schedules for the 41, 123 and W4 due to Tott Hale Bus Stn opening a week later. I feel sorry for the operators trying to create new schedules for this lot. So you would assume that the 29, 67, 141 and the 123 will operate as normal - unless these routes gave been forgotten / diverted I assume they will operate as "normal" plus the 184. The difficulty, though, is that there is still quite a lot of short hop traffic on the High Rd which will have to be taken up by the remaining routes. Heading south this will overload s/b routes that start at Wood Green with such traffic meaning people wanting stops beyond Turnpike Lane might get left behind at the very busiest times. It is not unusual to see 67s nearly full at the very first stop at Wood Green station. Heading north the 184 could get hammered. You also have the nonsense of people having to pay two fares where they currently pay one. If you are a W4 user who needs to make a through trip across Wood Green you will pay 3 fares - W4, connecting bus, W4. Ditto for some trips on the 144 e.g. Hornsey to parts of Lordship Lane unless people travel down Westbury Av and change there or walk. This is sort of similar to the Putney Bridge closure where people were entitled to special passes and not to pay multiple fares because bus routes were split in two. Clearly the rules for Putney don't apply to the residents of Haringey. This is going to cause chaos over the winter as it's scheduled to last 6 months. Why do this work when the weather is dreadful and the days are short? It looks like night buses are, thankfully, not affected. |
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 29, 2014 0:34:50 GMT
So you would assume that the 29, 67, 141 and the 123 will operate as normal - unless these routes gave been forgotten / diverted I assume they will operate as "normal" plus the 184. The difficulty, though, is that there is still quite a lot of short hop traffic on the High Rd which will have to be taken up by the remaining routes. Heading south this will overload s/b routes that start at Wood Green with such traffic meaning people wanting stops beyond Turnpike Lane might get left behind at the very busiest times. It is not unusual to see 67s nearly full at the very first stop at Wood Green station. Heading north the 184 could get hammered. You also have the nonsense of people having to pay two fares where they currently pay one. If you are a W4 user who needs to make a through trip across Wood Green you will pay 3 fares - W4, connecting bus, W4. Ditto for some trips on the 144 e.g. Hornsey to parts of Lordship Lane unless people travel down Westbury Av and change there or walk. This is sort of similar to the Putney Bridge closure where people were entitled to special passes and not to pay multiple fares because bus routes were split in two. Clearly the rules for Putney don't apply to the residents of Haringey. This is going to cause chaos over the winter as it's scheduled to last 6 months. Why do this work when the weather is dreadful and the days are short? It looks like night buses are, thankfully, not affected. Thankfully I don't live in the area no more! But I visit regularly! I do remember when they last did the high road and sent buses around the back of wood green, was bloody chaos then! |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 29, 2014 1:23:57 GMT
These temporary changes are ludicrous I'm not actually understanding why some routes are going along the High Road and some aren't?
I think the 141 184 and W4 should be diverted via Hornsey Park Road so that the 230 and 121 can run along the High Road.
Also it is diabolical that these changes are taking place at the same time as the Turnpike Lane Bus Station closure, however there is a silver lining to this grey cloud of doom over Wood Green all works will be done in lieu of each other.
I do agree that the works are poorly timed. Both the bus station and High Road works needed to of started in January 2014 with a hope of them being completed by October 2014 so that the works don't affect trade along the High Road, especially as the REAL High Road works continue past Christmas Shopping countdown and the January Sales! I'm sure it's going to be a tough year for Wood Green Shops.
Ohh Well Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda. I wish Good Luck to Wood Green and Turnpike Lane residents.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 29, 2014 11:26:29 GMT
Got my Wood Green changes email just now. Until March 2015!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 29, 2014 17:25:51 GMT
On the grounds of being fair it seems TfL are going to have transfer tickets for those who will be inconvenienced by the curtailed / split services. I feel sorry for the TfL staff who have to be on hand to hand out the transfer cards for 20 hours a day! TfL Press Release |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 30, 2014 0:51:45 GMT
Wood Green has a page in the Improvement & Projects section Wood Green changes on TfL page
Haringey council has a more detailed page of construction stages and plans what the high road will look like after the works Wood Green changes on Haringey page
After looking at the plans there are no real changes to bus stops most noticeable change to bus stops is the bus shelter at Wood Green Station (Northbound & Southbound) will be dismantled and replaced by a standard TfL bus shelter. Im please that Langham Road will be closed at its junction with Westbury Avenue. But besides that there are not many major changes going on. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Aug 30, 2014 6:31:18 GMT
The last time Haringey Council decided to rip WG High Road up and start again (in 99/00 IIRC) southbound buses were diverted down a set of side roads to the east of the shopping city - Gladstone Avenue, right Noel Park Road, Bury Road, right Whymark Avenue and left back onto the High Road just short of Turnpike Lane. Northbound buses used the High Road as usual. This worked fine from memory - it gave the highway workers the lane of the High Road they needed to work on and retained the usual bus services (in practice buses either slalomed their way from WG to TL in about two minutes flat or spent about 15 minutes in a wall of buses trying to get out of Whymark.. still sounds better than this plan, though). Why can't TfL use this arrangement again?
Fully agree with RouteW15.. Wood Green is not in the best state of health as shopping centres go in London. Slashing the bus services over the peak shopping period is going to send shoppers elsewhere. A lot of the retailers are smaller non-chain businesses where a protracted bad period could mean the difference between sink and swim.
I notice that the 141 is going to be left unaltered. That will be a fun one to run.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 30, 2014 9:57:44 GMT
Wood Green has a page in the Improvement & Projects section Wood Green changes on TfL page
Haringey council has a more detailed page of construction stages and plans what the high road will look like after the works Wood Green changes on Haringey page
After looking at the plans there are no real changes to bus stops most noticeable change to bus stops is the bus shelter at Wood Green Station (Northbound & Southbound) will be dismantled and replaced by a standard TfL bus shelter. Im please that Langham Road will be closed at its junction with Westbury Avenue. But besides that there are not many major changes going on. Thanks for the links. The removal of the big bus shelters at Wood Green is a mistake (IMO). They were very well used and now the southbound stop has virtually no cover at all. This is pretty useless when if you need to rest your legs while you wait - plenty of older people use buses in Wood Green. I wonder what the reasoning was to remove them? I note there is a Christmas embargo when there will be no work but presumably no relaxation of the bus changes. The other odd thing is the work phasing. They seem to do one bit then move down the road and then come back and do another bit. I assume some of that relates to using the temporary traffic lights but I've seen this with the works in Walthamstow / Leyton and it seems to cause chaos for far longer than is necessary. Looking at the stop arrangements I see the 221 will stop twice in the vicinity of the bus garage - stops C and TS. It's the only route to do this which seems odd. Edit - looks like TfL are playing games with Countdown info. For the routes that will terminate at Wood Green from the north their arrival time info has been removed from the stops south of Wood Green station so you can't see when some 221s, 232s, W4s etc will arrive despite the changes not starting until tomorrow. That's a bit sneaky and rather confusing for people. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Aug 30, 2014 12:04:30 GMT
Wood Green has a page in the Improvement & Projects section Wood Green changes on TfL page
Haringey council has a more detailed page of construction stages and plans what the high road will look like after the works Wood Green changes on Haringey page
After looking at the plans there are no real changes to bus stops most noticeable change to bus stops is the bus shelter at Wood Green Station (Northbound & Southbound) will be dismantled and replaced by a standard TfL bus shelter. Im please that Langham Road will be closed at its junction with Westbury Avenue. But besides that there are not many major changes going on. Thanks for the links. The removal of the big bus shelters at Wood Green is a mistake (IMO). They were very well used and now the southbound stop has virtually no cover at all. This is pretty useless when if you need to rest your legs while you wait - plenty of older people use buses in Wood Green. I wonder what the reasoning was to remove them? There was a lot of what the authorities would class as 'anti social behaviour' that occurred around those shelters, especially the one outside Morrisons, which was a congregating spot for the local street drinkers, the day release crowd and anyone else that had been turned out of the Goose. I think Haringey council/TfL might have decided instead of tackling the problem to just 'design it out' with the street works and hope they go away. When I was at school the southbound stop by the cinema was a major congregating spot where some inter-schools friction would occur (some of the nastiest fights i've seen happened there, including two young turkish men whipping each other with belts with an audience of about 30 schoolkids egging them on) - I understand things are quieter now but it is still considered an issue. The shelters were in a pretty run down condition so I'm not surprised to see them go. But some sort of shelter & seating should be put in their place, even if it is a bank of standard bus shelters. |
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Aug 30, 2014 13:20:53 GMT
A scrolling message on the ibus screen (where the time is) saying about the works from Monday. However they have missed the k in the web address tfl.gov.uk. Maybe the message is too long.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Sept 19, 2014 16:34:52 GMT
They really need to change the ibus announcements to reflect this diversion seeing as it's going to last 6 months!
Personally I think the 144 diversion should remain permanent
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Post by lc1 on Sept 27, 2014 23:17:11 GMT
Must say the W4's are running like a dream now  |
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