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Post by jrussa on Aug 31, 2014 12:33:22 GMT
Hello everyone! In my head, I keep on thinking there was a proposal for the Jubilee Line to be extended further east before the definite decision on the 1999 extension to Stratford. Am I going crazy?  Thanks in advance! |
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Post by snowman on Aug 31, 2014 15:18:00 GMT
Hello everyone! In my head, I keep on thinking there was a proposal for the Jubilee Line to be extended further east before the definite decision on the 1999 extension to Stratford. Am I going crazy? Thanks in advance! Not beyond Stratford, but there was a proposal for a branch from North Greenwich towards Thamesmead. I believe there is a short stub of tunnel already built at East end of the station box which allows this to be added later Had it been built trains would have alternated branches so Nth Greenwich-Stratford would have had a less frequent service |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 31, 2014 16:39:50 GMT
It depends how far back in history you go. There have been all sorts of proposals for a railway running east of the central area serving "Docklands" and east thereof. Various terminals such as Thamesmead, Hayes, Lewisham and Woolwich have been proposed. Slowly but surely the ideas for railways mooted many decades ago have eventually turned up - the Jubilee Line, the DLR and eventually Crossrail will give links from the centre to Docklands and then to bits of SE london and Abbey Wood (for Thamesmead).
As already said there is some provision at North Greenwich for an extension onwards to Thamesmead. I doubt it will ever be built because so much capacity is required to run to Stratford plus Crossrail is being built.
I'm not hugely knowledgeable about all the history but from the bits I've read the main theme that emerges for me is that we close railways and then 50-80 years later we spend a fortune reopening them or building a parallel route. Another theme is that it takes us about 100 years from someone having an idea for a rail route to us eventually building something that largely fulfills the objective of the original idea.
It's not the most sensible way to do things but it seems to be the only way the Brits do urban transport - especially in London.
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Post by jrussa on Sept 2, 2014 2:24:32 GMT
Hello everyone! In my head, I keep on thinking there was a proposal for the Jubilee Line to be extended further east before the definite decision on the 1999 extension to Stratford. Am I going crazy? Thanks in advance! Not beyond Stratford, but there was a proposal for a branch from North Greenwich towards Thamesmead. I believe there is a short stub of tunnel already built at East end of the station box which allows this to be added later Had it been built trains would have alternated branches so Nth Greenwich-Stratford would have had a less frequent service Awww I see! I guess that explains why they are 4 platforms at North Greenwich. Thanks snowman  |
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Post by jrussa on Sept 2, 2014 2:28:47 GMT
It depends how far back in history you go. There have been all sorts of proposals for a railway running east of the central area serving "Docklands" and east thereof. Various terminals such as Thamesmead, Hayes, Lewisham and Woolwich have been proposed. Slowly but surely the ideas for railways mooted many decades ago have eventually turned up - the Jubilee Line, the DLR and eventually Crossrail will give links from the centre to Docklands and then to bits of SE london and Abbey Wood (for Thamesmead). As already said there is some provision at North Greenwich for an extension onwards to Thamesmead. I doubt it will ever be built because so much capacity is required to run to Stratford plus Crossrail is being built. I'm not hugely knowledgeable about all the history but from the bits I've read the main theme that emerges for me is that we close railways and then 50-80 years later we spend a fortune reopening them or building a parallel route. Another theme is that it takes us about 100 years from someone having an idea for a rail route to us eventually building something that largely fulfills the objective of the original idea. It's not the most sensible way to do things but it seems to be the only way the Brits do urban transport - especially in London. I guess the proposed extensions to Lewisham and Woolwich are no longer valid, due to the Dockland Light Railway. It would be more viable if the DLR extended to Thamesmead, than the Jubilee Line. Thanks for the insight as well as rationalising the situation snoggle |
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Post by TA1 on Sept 2, 2014 6:39:10 GMT
Not beyond Stratford, but there was a proposal for a branch from North Greenwich towards Thamesmead. I believe there is a short stub of tunnel already built at East end of the station box which allows this to be added later Had it been built trains would have alternated branches so Nth Greenwich-Stratford would have had a less frequent service Awww I see! I guess that explains why they are 4 platforms at North Greenwich. Thanks snowman There are three platforms at NOG, one EB, Middle terminating and WB. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 2, 2014 8:09:11 GMT
Awww I see! I guess that explains why they are 4 platforms at North Greenwich. Thanks snowman There are three platforms at NOG, one EB, Middle terminating and WB. And if there had been a link to Thamesmead then I think the middle platform would have been for trains to Thamesmead. Trains going west would have merged on to the line before the westbound platform. If you look carefully as you leave NOG going east you can see where the tunnel to Thamesmead would have continued on from. |
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Post by towerman on Sept 5, 2014 13:13:56 GMT
The original plan for the Jubilee/Fleet Line was to run from Charing Cross via the City,take over the East London Line and at New Cross run over BR tracks possibly as far as Orpington.
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