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Post by snoggle on Sept 21, 2014 20:59:03 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2014 21:24:39 GMT
According to Peter, all low paid workers live in the outskirts - so what about all the low paid workers who live in Hackney, Stratford, Streatham, Brixton, etc - they've not all left inner London. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 21, 2014 21:59:15 GMT
According to Peter, all low paid workers live in the outskirts - so what about all the low paid workers who live in Hackney, Stratford, Streatham, Brixton, etc - they've not all left inner London. No they haven't *all* left inner London but sizeable numbers of people are being pushed further out due to ludicrous housing costs and housing benefit caps. London is badly affected by this. As housing costs continue to rise [1] then the trend will accelerate as people will be unable to afford their rent. There is a trend which has been spotted by local politicians (I've heard them say it) but I can only assume that TfL are beginning to spot some changes in travel patterns by analysing Oyster data. [1] there is absolutely no policy in place at the moment that can alter the way the market is working to the benefit of the low paid. All the policy initiatives are in the opposite direction and will keep prices / rents rising. It will also take years for any substantive policy, like building a lot of genuinely affordable / social housing, to have any impact whatsoever on people so they could move back. This means the transport network has to cope with an adverse trend for, say, a decade while also coping with general growth. |
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Post by rambo on Sept 22, 2014 18:46:00 GMT
Londoners do not realise how lucky they are with public transport, as I have found out.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 22, 2014 22:23:40 GMT
I think Hendy's point is that while we have a reasonably good transport system, those low paid workers can't reach the jobs in central London cheaply without numerous bus changes, while rail prices them out.
I'm lucky that being in Zone 3 I have direct bus services to the West End and Victoria despite being slow and I can just about afford trains, but that isn't always the case for low paid workers who rely on their 7 day bus and tram pass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 8:59:24 GMT
I think Hendy got misquoted a little, social unrest is not necessarily meaning riots.
However the point he has made is very important and on the ball.
He is clearly trying to get more money. That is a good thing.
Demographics are changing rapidly in the cheaper areas of all parts of London. Cross Rail will help but many will still be priced out of these benefits.
Buses really do provide an answer , and its vital that new services are provided.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 30, 2014 23:22:57 GMT
Rising property prices, basic cost of living increasing faster than salaries will price quite a few out if the property bubble doesn't burst soon. Many overseas investors buy properties, and rent them out. Where I am now, the cheapest rent is £1400 per month. If someone on a low salary struggles to keep the roof over his head, let alone find money for travel, I could see the potential for trouble in the future. It doesn't take much to set people off nowdays (in reference to 2011 riots, not the current spat in the TGM thread  ) but it will more likely be low-level civil disobedience like fare evasion (which could increase if the fares go up again). I think existing bus services are good, but I too hope new (and practical) services are provided  |
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) but it will more likely be low-level civil disobedience like fare evasion (which could increase if the fares go up again).