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Post by smiler52 on Nov 9, 2016 14:18:21 GMT
bbc news are reporting the tram driver been arrested
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Post by sid on Nov 9, 2016 14:24:28 GMT
bbc news are reporting the tram driver been arrested Standard procedure.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 9, 2016 14:32:15 GMT
It is unbelievably hard to digest there has been an accident like this. We always criticise conditions like late services or lack of capacity etc, but doubt never appears into anyone's mind the safety of running services because TfL has one of the best safety records in the world. It is so tragic to hear people have lost their lives today, with others having been physically or mentally scared, or both. I do wish a speedy recovery to the wounds that can be healed.
With the news that the tram driver has been arrested; I do hope that answers will arise from questioning as it's uterly unnacceptable that loss of life has occured. If it is indeed an avoidable incident, then the courts will decide on administering a punishment that matches the crime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 14:47:08 GMT
bbc news are reporting the tram driver been arrested Standard procedure. No , arresting people is never a matter of "standard procedure" .
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Post by sid on Nov 9, 2016 14:54:17 GMT
No , arresting people is never a matter of "standard procedure" . It is and it certainly shouldn't be taken as a sign of guilt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 15:08:15 GMT
No , arresting people is never a matter of "standard procedure" . It is and it certainly shouldn't be taken as a sign of guilt. You mis-understand. Police don't arrest as standard procedure. Example, driver of bus involved in fatal accident. They are not always arrested as "standard". They will be breathalysed, which is standard procedure, questioned under caution, again standard procedure. Being arrested is something totally different.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 9, 2016 15:11:49 GMT
Very, very sad news - Condolences to the deceased and their families and fingers crossed to the injured that they make full recoveries.
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Post by sid on Nov 9, 2016 15:18:01 GMT
It is and it certainly shouldn't be taken as a sign of guilt. You mis-understand. Police don't arrest as standard procedure. Example, driver of bus involved in fatal accident. They are not always arrested as "standard". They will be breathalysed, which is standard procedure, questioned under caution, again standard procedure. Being arrested is something totally different. Drivers are often arrested after a serious accident.
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Post by sid on Nov 9, 2016 15:19:44 GMT
Very, very sad news - Condolences to the deceased and their families and fingers crossed to the injured that they make full recoveries. Indeed, I've used Tramlink regularly since its inception and I really never expected anything like this to occur.
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Post by 700101 on Nov 9, 2016 16:08:55 GMT
Sad News, hope the injured recover quickly and condolences to the families of the fatalities.
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Post by Steve80 on Nov 9, 2016 16:13:54 GMT
The BBC site has some photos showing the tram completely on its side. This sounds like a horrendous incident and unlike anything I've ever heard of affecting a tram system / line. It's not a good day for public transport's reputation for safety. I genuinely thought I'd misheard the radio earlier this morning in the car and had to wait for the next bulletin. I can't get my head around how one of those things could totally topple over. As you say, absolutely horrendous for those involved and, sadly, tragic for those who have lost loved ones I was thinking the same as you as to how in the world did that even happen especially after looking at the aerial views from the bbc website. Having used the tram for so much, I can't stop thinking about how any of those passengers who got up out of bed possibly for another long hard day at work, got on the tram only to deal with something like that. I supposed I'm thinking about it a little more than I should considering that Sandilands is only a 5 minute drive from my house and I could constantly hear the helicopter throughout the morning. I know the trams is quite busy in the mornings especially in East Croydon but I'm still surprised at the number of people injured.
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Post by Steve80 on Nov 9, 2016 16:21:04 GMT
You mis-understand. Police don't arrest as standard procedure. Example, driver of bus involved in fatal accident. They are not always arrested as "standard". They will be breathalysed, which is standard procedure, questioned under caution, again standard procedure. Being arrested is something totally different. Drivers are often arrested after a serious accident. Just making your comment clear in that drivers are often but not always arrested after a serious accident. Such as this one... metro.co.uk/2016/10/31/cyclist-killed-after-crash-with-lorry-in-central-london-6225713/
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Post by mondraker275 on Nov 9, 2016 16:27:33 GMT
You mis-understand. Police don't arrest as standard procedure. Example, driver of bus involved in fatal accident. They are not always arrested as "standard". They will be breathalysed, which is standard procedure, questioned under caution, again standard procedure. Being arrested is something totally different. Drivers are often arrested after a serious accident. Have to agree with @rgd976 . Police cannot arrest someone without have suspecting them of something for which they must have some grounds. The only realistic things a tram driver can be arrested for is speeding or passing lights. Considering that the incident is close to a branch I am guessing the latter. It would only take a few calls between the police and TfL to know if he passed some lights. The police always had the option of questioning the driver without arresting him/her. Moving away from that, truly shocking incident. Cannot believe the lack of coverage of the incident.
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Post by sid on Nov 9, 2016 16:34:52 GMT
Drivers are often arrested after a serious accident. Have to agree with @rgd976 . Police cannot arrest someone without have suspecting them of something for which they must have some grounds. The only realistic things a tram driver can be arrested for is speeding or passing lights. Considering that the incident is close to a branch I am guessing the latter. It would only take a few calls between the police and TfL to know if he passed some lights. The police always had the option of questioning the driver without arresting him/her. Moving away from that, truly shocking incident. Cannot believe the lack of coverage of the incident. The police can arrest him on suspicion of negligence amongst other things. I doubt very much if the driver had passed any signal at danger, there is a long straight through the tunnel where trams travel at speed followed by a sharp curve and poor rail conditions. I think most of us can make an educated guess as to what happened? The incident seems to have had plenty of radio coverage, I don't know about TV as I've been at work all day.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 9, 2016 16:50:49 GMT
Moving away from that, truly shocking incident. Cannot believe the lack of coverage of the incident. All been overshadowed by the US election, Probably would have been the main story if it wasn't for that
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