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Post by routew15 on Oct 15, 2014 8:13:03 GMT
Silvertown crossing Consultation 2014 The consultation is not completely about cars and lorries, this consultation also mentions Opportunities for new bus links. The new links are: - Eltham to Canary Wharf in 35 mins - Greenwich to London City Airport in 30 mins - Charlton to Stratford in 35 mins
Routes to be considered that can create these bus links could come from North Greenwich and Canning Town (although there are no routes formally mentioned to create these links these are just my suggestions of where to start investigating possible new links)
Additionally, there are no suggestions for changing the alignment 108. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 15, 2014 9:45:56 GMT
Silvertown crossing Consultation 2014 The consultation is not completely about cars and lorries, this consultation also mentions Opportunities for new bus links. The new links are: - Eltham to Canary Wharf in 35 mins - Greenwich to London City Airport in 30 mins - Charlton to Stratford in 35 mins
Routes to be considered that can create these bus links could come from North Greenwich and Canning Town (although there are no routes formally mentioned to create these links these are just my suggestions of where to start investigating possible new links)
Additionally, there are no suggestions for changing the alignment 108. I see from the "flythrough" video that the future bus services will be operated by clapped out Optare Solos.  The interesting thing is that the tunnel is only two lanes each way with one lane reserved for buses and goods vehicles. I can't see the motoring lobby being delighted about that. One wonders what happens, given the merged highway design at the south side of the tunnels, if one of the tunnels becomes blocked. The traffic jams are likely to be awful given how much extra traffic will be attracted to the area. There is no pedestrian or cycle tunnel and people are assumed to use the cable car which costs money and does not run round the clock. I can't see that one lasting scrutiny. The other noteworthy item on the video is the overlaid scale of development at Greenwich Peninsula - absolutely huge. You have to wonder what that is going to do to the traffic and demand for buses and tube services. If we can't cope at the moment then what do you with tens of thousands more people in the area? North Greenwich bus station is going to have to increase vastly in size. |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 15, 2014 10:36:57 GMT
A new Stratford-Woolwich Bus route perhaps?. Via the 276 to Canning Town, through the proposed Silvertown tunnel, then via the 472 to Woolwich. This would relieve overcrowding on the 472 towards Thamesmead. Or, the 129 could be extended to Stratford instead.
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Post by T.R. on Oct 15, 2014 10:53:08 GMT
(Cue a bunch of proposals in the route extension threads) ;D
About the charges - could they not use the same times as Congestion Charging for the Blackwall Tunnel, and 'Dartford hours' for Silver town? Or vice versa.*
*although as a semi-regular user of this crossing, maybe the demand is worth charging for?
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Post by Nathan on Oct 15, 2014 11:28:14 GMT
129 extension to Stratford?
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2014 12:18:27 GMT
(Cue a bunch of proposals in the route extension threads) ;D You read my mind lool. Seriously though, I like the Canary Wharf to Eltham route that was suggested. I like the other two routes too but this really jumped out at me because of the potential commuter links it brings. I could see it helping out the 161 & 132 and the Jubilee Line between North Greenwich & Canary Wharf. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 15, 2014 12:50:13 GMT
(Cue a bunch of proposals in the route extension threads) ;D About the charges - could they not use the same times as Congestion Charging for the Blackwall Tunnel, and 'Dartford hours' for Silver town? Or vice versa.* * although as a semi-regular user of this crossing, maybe the demand is worth charging for? I think the concept of user charges, especially on the Blackwall Tunnel, will be very controversial given the lack of alternatives. Motorists and the freight lobby will object to there being any charges. I don't have too much of an issue with it as the current message from TfL is that there isn't likely to be much government money in the future so users have to cough up more dosh as do developers. I think TfL have erred on the side of peak time charges only as they can link that to managing congestion. Just simply charging all the time would cause more discontent from users. The outline bus route ideas are quite sensible. Now all we have to do is find all the routes that terminate near either side of tunnel and then extend them through.  So 129 extended northwards. 233 extended to Canning Town  . The Eltham to Canary Wharf route would be popular - wonder if they'd route it via Kidbrooke? |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 15, 2014 18:05:23 GMT
•My personal ideas for bus links would be: 129 to London City Airport 161 to Excel 486 to Canary Wharf 408 - New Route from Stratford International to Lewisham via International Way, Montfitchet Road, Leyton Road, Angel Lane, Stratford Town Centre, W Ham Lane, Manor Road, Canning Town Interchange, Silvertown Way, Tidal Basin Roundabout, Silvertown Tunnel, Millennium Way, North Greenwich Interchange, W Parkside, Commercial Way, Peartree Way, Westcombe Hill, Strathden Road, Prince of Wales Road, Blackheath, Lee Terrace, Belmont Hill, Lewisham High Street. •Note: - The 408 would not serve Stratford City Bus Station - From Stratford there are no common stops with the 108, however I still think that overall the journey to North Greenwich and beyond would be shorter than the 108 thus encouraging passengers to use the 408 instead. - Due to the Low Bridge at WEST Ham this would be a single Decker route |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 16, 2014 8:53:04 GMT
Silvertown crossing Consultation 2014 The consultation is not completely about cars and lorries, this consultation also mentions Opportunities for new bus links. The new links are: - Eltham to Canary Wharf in 35 mins - Greenwich to London City Airport in 30 mins - Charlton to Stratford in 35 mins
Routes to be considered that can create these bus links could come from North Greenwich and Canning Town (although there are no routes formally mentioned to create these links these are just my suggestions of where to start investigating possible new links)
Additionally, there are no suggestions for changing the alignment 108. Greenwich-London City Airport does seem to point to a 129 extension. The 472 could do the Charlton-Stratford run, but the Thamesmead loop working would have to be changed so the route formally terminates at Thamesmead rather than just a pause to change blinds. I suspect Eltham-Canary Wharf would have to be a new route - extending 132 or 161 north of the river would probably be too much for both routes, and there's nothing standing out as extendable/rerouteable from Canary Wharf. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2014 10:16:34 GMT
Silvertown crossing Consultation 2014 The consultation is not completely about cars and lorries, this consultation also mentions Opportunities for new bus links. The new links are: - Eltham to Canary Wharf in 35 mins - Greenwich to London City Airport in 30 mins - Charlton to Stratford in 35 mins
Routes to be considered that can create these bus links could come from North Greenwich and Canning Town (although there are no routes formally mentioned to create these links these are just my suggestions of where to start investigating possible new links)
Additionally, there are no suggestions for changing the alignment 108. Greenwich-London City Airport does seem to point to a 129 extension. The 472 could do the Charlton-Stratford run, but the Thamesmead loop working would have to be changed so the route formally terminates at Thamesmead rather than just a pause to change blinds. I suspect Eltham-Canary Wharf would have to be a new route - extending 132 or 161 north of the river would probably be too much for both routes, and there's nothing standing out as extendable/rerouteable from Canary Wharf. I'm inclined to agree with all this so thumbs up from me lol. One question though - do 472's not formally terminate at Thamesmead because in the past when I went up that way a lot, I'm sure they didn't pause to change blinds and then go out - wonder when that changed? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 16, 2014 18:22:51 GMT
Greenwich-London City Airport does seem to point to a 129 extension. The 472 could do the Charlton-Stratford run, but the Thamesmead loop working would have to be changed so the route formally terminates at Thamesmead rather than just a pause to change blinds. I suspect Eltham-Canary Wharf would have to be a new route - extending 132 or 161 north of the river would probably be too much for both routes, and there's nothing standing out as extendable/rerouteable from Canary Wharf. I'm inclined to agree with all this so thumbs up from me lol. One question though - do 472's not formally terminate at Thamesmead because in the past when I went up that way a lot, I'm sure they didn't pause to change blinds and then go out - wonder when that changed? I'll correct myself : 472s do formally terminate there. Sorry Still a good route to extend though! |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2014 18:29:28 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with all this so thumbs up from me lol. One question though - do 472's not formally terminate at Thamesmead because in the past when I went up that way a lot, I'm sure they didn't pause to change blinds and then go out - wonder when that changed? I'll correct myself : 472s do formally terminate there. Sorry Still a good route to extend though! Ahh, thanks mate. |
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Post by routew15 on Mar 26, 2015 23:32:51 GMT
The report for the Silvertown Crossing consultation is in.
TfL have decided to hold another consultation during Summer 2015.
The board themes that emerged from the consultation were (as identified by TfL) - Highway & Traffic issues - User Charging (with 37 per cent supporting charges as a means of managing demand for the tunnel) - Public Transport & Cycling (range of suggestions for new bus services or other public transport links to complement the tunnel) - Alternatives to the Silvertown Tunnel
To see the Full consultation report click here
To see the main consultation page click link here
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