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Post by busman on Mar 28, 2019 11:50:19 GMT
Fortnightly bus changes now available (although LSP due Monday 25th still not published) content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-permanent-bus-changes.pdfCovers period until 19 April 6th April 607 extra journey withdrawn, less limited stop as stop being added for driver changes at a location where doesn’t currently stop 8th April 186 some early Mon-Fri journeys extended in Wealdstone due to change of bus garage 8th April 207 frequency cut from every 5 to every 6 mins, some non-standard frequency buses also cut, school extension dropped The extra stop on the 607 will just make it more slower and overloaded than it already is. I don’t understand why they can’t do the driver changeovers at Ealing Hospital. This is a crazy decision. The Ealing Hospital stop isn’t exactly a million miles away. Those stops do not serve any significant destinations nor do they offer any new connections. Who is the service run for - the bus company employees or the passengers? What a joke.
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Post by sid on Mar 28, 2019 12:36:34 GMT
The extra stop on the 607 will just make it more slower and overloaded than it already is. I don’t understand why they can’t do the driver changeovers at Ealing Hospital. This is a crazy decision. The Ealing Hospital stop isn’t exactly a million miles away. Those stops do not serve any significant destinations nor do they offer any new connections. Who is the service run for - the bus company employees or the passengers? What a joke. Exactly what I thought, the tail is wagging the dog here. Surely routings or bus stops should only be changed to meet passenger demands and not for operational convenience? The hospital is just as good and there are facilities there for drivers as well.
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Post by danorak on Mar 28, 2019 12:39:57 GMT
Also worth noting that the publication date is moving to a Friday in future and the scope of changes being covered is changing too. If it's due to come out on Fridays, chances are we'll finally get regular publication on Mondays!
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Post by met120 on Mar 28, 2019 17:23:07 GMT
The extra stop on the 607 will just make it more slower and overloaded than it already is. I don’t understand why they can’t do the driver changeovers at Ealing Hospital. This is a crazy decision. The Ealing Hospital stop isn’t exactly a million miles away. Those stops do not serve any significant destinations nor do they offer any new connections. Who is the service run for - the bus company employees or the passengers? What a joke. It’s probably an extra 2 mins but time and time again they show that they have no disregard for passengers. I can understand the 207 reduction though since most buses are virtually half full with some even being virtually empty.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 28, 2019 18:34:34 GMT
This is a crazy decision. The Ealing Hospital stop isn’t exactly a million miles away. Those stops do not serve any significant destinations nor do they offer any new connections. Who is the service run for - the bus company employees or the passengers? What a joke. It’s probably an extra 2 mins but time and time again they show that they have no disregard for passengers. I can understand the 207 reduction though since most buses are virtually half full with some even being virtually empty. It won't be just two minutes. It will slow all of the buses down because they will be forced to use up any slack in the schedule to be at the changeover point on time. This will be especially evident on school holidays. Even the trips without changeovers will have to be slowed down to maintain headways. When I was a 607 driver there was around 10 minutes of slack during the daytimes, mostly east of Ealing Hospital. But it wasn't an issue because there was stand space at both ends to facilitate this.
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Post by met120 on Mar 28, 2019 19:35:36 GMT
It’s probably an extra 2 mins but time and time again they show that they have no disregard for passengers. I can understand the 207 reduction though since most buses are virtually half full with some even being virtually empty. It won't be just two minutes. It will slow all of the buses down because they will be forced to use up any slack in the schedule to be at the changeover point on time. This will be especially evident on school holidays. Even the trips without changeovers will have to be slowed down to maintain headways. When I was a 607 driver there was around 10 minutes of slack during the daytimes, mostly east of Ealing Hospital. But it wasn't an issue because there was stand space at both ends to facilitate this. I’m referring to the changeover points. G to Iron Bridge is about 4-5 minutes at the most, an extra 1-2 minutes to Ealing Hospital. There’s no use to this extra stop at all.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 28, 2019 22:48:01 GMT
I’m referring to the changeover points. G to Iron Bridge is about 4-5 minutes at the most, an extra 1-2 minutes to Ealing Hospital. There’s no use to this extra stop at all. My bad, I thought you were referring to the extra time it would take to serve the stop.
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Post by snowman on Apr 5, 2019 4:39:39 GMT
Today is last day of Metroline operating 207, and possibly last day of Metroline’s Gemini mk 1
Abellio take over route 207 with 5 new smart hybrids, and buses from C2 and 414 The N207 (from tonight) is planned to use buses from route 427
Metroline also have new contract on 607 utilising new euroVI hybrids operating from Greenford (but posts in Metroline thread suggest new buses going elsewhere for a while)
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Post by rif153 on Apr 5, 2019 11:57:01 GMT
Today is last day of Metroline operating 207, and possibly last day of Metroline’s Gemini mk 1 Abellio take over route 207 with 5 new smart hybrids, and buses from C2 and 414 The N207 (from tonight) is planned to use buses from route 427 Metroline also have new contract on 607 utilising new euroVI hybrids operating from Greenford (but posts in Metroline thread suggest new buses going elsewhere for a while) Seems almost inevitable that some HT TEs will be swapped with some of G's VMHs. Looking at LVF, VPL591 and VW1302 are out on the 43 now with 4 TEs out on the 271. Of course, on Monday they won't be allowed on those routes anynmore because of the ULEZ. I have noticed lately HT have been putting less VWHs on the W7 with the 43 and 271 needing the EuroVI buses so that W7 is just taking the TEs and VWs available. The other option is that some of PB's VWHs currently allocated the 34 and 125 could be swapped with HT's TEs
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2019 12:13:39 GMT
Today is last day of Metroline operating 207, and possibly last day of Metroline’s Gemini mk 1 Abellio take over route 207 with 5 new smart hybrids, and buses from C2 and 414 The N207 (from tonight) is planned to use buses from route 427 Metroline also have new contract on 607 utilising new euroVI hybrids operating from Greenford (but posts in Metroline thread suggest new buses going elsewhere for a while) Seems almost inevitable that some HT TEs will be swapped with some of G's VMHs. Looking at LVF, VPL591 and VW1302 are out on the 43 now with 4 TEs out on the 271. Of course, on Monday they won't be allowed on those routes anynmore because of the ULEZ. I have noticed lately HT have been putting less VWHs on the W7 with the 43 and 271 needing the EuroVI buses so that W7 is just taking the TEs and VWs available. The other option is that some of PB's VWHs currently allocated the 34 and 125 could be swapped with HT's TEs I don’t see any buses going from HT to G for the 607 but 607 VMH’s have already entered service at HT and are apparently a temporary measure until the electric buses come. I don’t think any VWH’s are leaving PB either though I think some will be allocated to the 134 if it doesn’t have enough VMH’s in the end.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 5, 2019 12:35:56 GMT
Seems almost inevitable that some HT TEs will be swapped with some of G's VMHs. Looking at LVF, VPL591 and VW1302 are out on the 43 now with 4 TEs out on the 271. Of course, on Monday they won't be allowed on those routes anynmore because of the ULEZ. I have noticed lately HT have been putting less VWHs on the W7 with the 43 and 271 needing the EuroVI buses so that W7 is just taking the TEs and VWs available. The other option is that some of PB's VWHs currently allocated the 34 and 125 could be swapped with HT's TEs I don’t see any buses going from HT to G for the 607 but 607 VMH’s have already entered service at HT and are apparently a temporary measure until the electric buses come. I don’t think any VWH’s are leaving PB either though I think some will be allocated to the 134 if it doesn’t have enough VMH’s in the end. It would be hilarous if Metroline were to break the ULEZ on its first day. HT will have to sort their allocations out
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2019 14:04:55 GMT
I don’t see any buses going from HT to G for the 607 but 607 VMH’s have already entered service at HT and are apparently a temporary measure until the electric buses come. I don’t think any VWH’s are leaving PB either though I think some will be allocated to the 134 if it doesn’t have enough VMH’s in the end. It would be hilarous if Metroline were to break the ULEZ on its first day. HT will have to sort their allocations out Not sure why it seems to be left so late given how quick Tower Transit got all 28 WH's into service within a week (WH31123 is in service but isn't polling due to it's I-Bus) but at least it's only single figures needed. Judging by my calculations: The 134 needs 6 more hybrids - 2545 from the LF68 batch for the 90 & 2557 from the LA68 batch haven't entered service unless their I-Bus is just not polling and I suspect another 4 LF19 607 VMH's will be required otherwise one of the 34 or 125 will be switching a few VWH's for TE's The 43 can now field an entirely full hybrid allocation which leaves the 271 needing 5 hybrids - 3 TEH's from EW are still outstanding so I presume what may happen is either they transfer over or if they're not ready to move, 5 LF19 607 VMH's move to HT and go onto the 43 cascading 5 VWH's to the 271. My guess is the latter will happen particularly as 2 of the TEH's haven't seen service for a while.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2019 21:29:23 GMT
Meant to mention this the other day but looks like the the cutback of the 207 & 607 to Shepherd's Bush from White City has been postponed as londonbusroutes has it down as a ? now. Seems the cutbacks also involved a -1 PVR decrease as well.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 5, 2019 22:00:56 GMT
Meant to mention this the other day but looks like the the cutback of the 207 & 607 to Shepherd's Bush from White City has been postponed as londonbusroutes has it down as a ? now. Seems the cutbacks also involved a -1 PVR decrease as well. Indeed, I imagine that's why 2401 has been drafted into WS. TfL can't officially cut the 207/607 back until they consult and there's no sign of the consultation so probably safe to say we still have a few months ahead of us until the routes are cut.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2019 22:40:05 GMT
Meant to mention this the other day but looks like the the cutback of the 207 & 607 to Shepherd's Bush from White City has been postponed as londonbusroutes has it down as a ? now. Seems the cutbacks also involved a -1 PVR decrease as well. Indeed, I imagine that's why 2401 has been drafted into WS. TfL can't officially cut the 207/607 back until they consult and there's no sign of the consultation so probably safe to say we still have a few months ahead of us until the routes are cut. Indeed - I'm quite pleased about this on a selfish level as it makes grabbing a good seat on the 607 much easier
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