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Post by sid on May 25, 2019 6:41:50 GMT
What a pointless exercise just like the same meaningless posters being put on 468 stops in Croydon all because one stop at Elephant & Castle is changing. You have a point, but to be quite honest people have complained on here about TFL not putting up information and now that they have people complain? Fair point but the posters don't really tell anybody anything, just directs them to a website, could at least list the routes that were being altered.
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Post by daveshah on May 25, 2019 7:12:10 GMT
In this day and age it should really be easy enough to automatically print a few pieces of paper per bus stop with a list of changed routes, a short summary of the changes, maybe even a map if necessary.
I saw at one of the bus stops affected by the Hammersmith Bridge closure, someone sensible took matters into their own hands and printed off the maps of the changes from the TfL website with a handwritten title...
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Post by busaholic on May 25, 2019 20:30:00 GMT
Vexatious? The two stops are barely a stones throw apart, a minor inconvenience at worst. For those less mobile crossing the road may be annoying but as an able bodied person I wouldn't be too annoyed When London Transport was preparing its Reshaping Plan fifty years ago, which started the process of shorter routes and, to an extent, flat fare operation, the question of suitable 'break' points for passengers having to transfer between buses where previously they'd ridden across them was very much considered. I'll quote from the insider's book on the subject 'Reshaping London's Buses'. ''The intention to increase the number of short routes meant that more passengers would be involved in a change of some sort. In order to make this as convenient, quick and comfortable as possible special facilities would be provided and purpose built interchanges were envisaged.... 'Break' points had to be where there would be minimum disturbance to passengers riding across the chosen point. Coupled with this was the space needed to stand buses and provide suitable facilities for through passengers, many of whom would now have to change buses. As we shall see it was upon this rock... that the Reshaping Plan was to founder.'' So the official attitude then of the world's largest transport authority, which made no pretence of being accountable in any form directly to the public, was that passengers were not to be wilfully inconvenienced by the authority's actions. Now we have an authority that claims to be working for, and accountable to, that same public that thinks anything it can get away with is acceptable!
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Post by rif153 on May 26, 2019 9:34:42 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF
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Post by ADH45258 on May 26, 2019 9:49:47 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF The extension will take place at a later date (not yet announced). The E10 will initially transfer to Abellio with a PVR of 8, later increased to 11 when extended to Osterley. There are a number of possible combinations of route transfers between garages, dependent on capacity at GW, and any future route gains (maybe 282 & 482?). I think it was previously suggested that GW would operate the 195, 207 and all E-prefix routes. While WS would continue operating the 427/U7/U9, with the 350/H28/U5 returning from TF. This would enable the routes mentioned to be run from a garage closer to the route, but would leave a lot of spare capacity at TF.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 11:37:52 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF As I said before, the proposed extension of route E10 to Osterley is subject to consultation with other linked proposed route changes to the 440 and E3
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Post by COBO on May 26, 2019 15:37:14 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF The extension will take place at a later date (not yet announced). The E10 will initially transfer to Abellio with a PVR of 8, later increased to 11 when extended to Osterley. There are a number of possible combinations of route transfers between garages, dependent on capacity at GW, and any future route gains (maybe 282 & 482?). I think it was previously suggested that GW would operate the 195, 207 and all E-prefix routes. While WS would continue operating the 427/U7/U9, with the 350/H28/U5 returning from TF. This would enable the routes mentioned to be run from a garage closer to the route, but would leave a lot of spare capacity at TF. But a consultation hasn't been released there is no way knowing if a extention will be going ahead. Funny enough GW is just literally up the road from Osterley but buses won't be able to get to it due to a weight limit on Three Bridges.
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Post by COBO on May 26, 2019 15:41:20 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF There's hasn't been a consultation for the extension so no. Personally I wouldn't extend a route that uses 9.0m Enviro 200 MMCs to Osterley it's already bursting as it is.
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Post by rif153 on May 26, 2019 16:14:06 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF There's hasn't been a consultation for the extension so no. Personally I wouldn't extend a route that uses 9.0m Enviro 200 MMCs to Osterley it's already bursting as it is. I agree that having route which uses short single door buses supporting an unreliable will used double decker route is a recipe for disaster
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Post by ADH45258 on May 26, 2019 17:05:21 GMT
There's hasn't been a consultation for the extension so no. Personally I wouldn't extend a route that uses 9.0m Enviro 200 MMCs to Osterley it's already bursting as it is. I agree that having route which uses short single door buses supporting an unreliable will used double decker route is a recipe for disaster Maybe extend the E9 to Osterley instead? A short enough route to extend, greater capacity than the E10, and provides similar links towards Greenford and Yeading. Or the 112 as originally proposed, but with a DD conversion.
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Post by rif153 on May 26, 2019 17:22:29 GMT
I agree that having route which uses short single door buses supporting an unreliable will used double decker route is a recipe for disaster Maybe extend the E9 to Osterley instead? A short enough route to extend, greater capacity than the E10, and provides similar links towards Greenford and Yeading. Or the 112 as originally proposed, but with a DD conversion. I know someone who lives in the South Ealing area and was over the moon when TFL proposed extending the 112 to Osterley because it would have provided them with a direct link to Brent Cross. They are now annoyed that they are getting the E10 instead because they seldom go to Greenford. I really don't think there is much demand to go from South Ealing to Greenford to be honest and I grew up in a neighbourhood in that part of Ealing where people were very snobby about Greenford. Perhaps I'm wrong and the new link will be well utillised but I can see it hampering the E10 and as previously mentioned, the E10 adds very little bus capacity that section. Extending the 112 may be problematic though because of the North Circular traffic. I'm all for providing new radial links so I'll be happy if the E10 extension is a sucess (note that if the 112 is rerouted via Madeley Road then the E10 extension convinently creates some space in Haven Green). The E9 and 112 are both good candidates to send down to Osterley. I have previously tipped the E1 for extension to Osterley and would have thought it'd be the logical candidate but apparently not
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Post by evergreenadam on May 26, 2019 18:25:25 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF As I said before, the proposed extension of route E10 to Osterley is subject to consultation with other linked proposed route changes to the 440 and E3 What are the linked changes to routes E3 and 440?
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Post by evergreenadam on May 26, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
Is the E10 extension to Osterley going ahead on 1st June when Abellio commence operation on the route? Obviously Abellio know what they are doing but having the E10 would be useful for them if they need more space at GW in future then the E10 could potentially run permanently from TF As I said before, the proposed extension of route E10 to Osterley is subject to consultation with other linked proposed route changes to the 440 and E3 What are the linked changes to routes E3 and 440?
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Post by LBOTG on May 26, 2019 19:02:30 GMT
Maybe extend the E9 to Osterley instead? A short enough route to extend, greater capacity than the E10, and provides similar links towards Greenford and Yeading. Or the 112 as originally proposed, but with a DD conversion. I know someone who lives in the South Ealing area and was over the moon when TFL proposed extending the 112 to Osterley because it would have provided them with a direct link to Brent Cross. They are now annoyed that they are getting the E10 instead because they seldom go to Greenford. I really don't think there is much demand to go from South Ealing to Greenford to be honest and I grew up in a neighbourhood in that part of Ealing where people were very snobby about Greenford. Perhaps I'm wrong and the new link will be well utillised but I can see it hampering the E10 and as previously mentioned, the E10 adds very little bus capacity that section. Extending the 112 may be problematic though because of the North Circular traffic. I'm all for providing new radial links so I'll be happy if the E10 extension is a sucess (note that if the 112 is rerouted via Madeley Road then the E10 extension convinently creates some space in Haven Green). The E9 and 112 are both good candidates to send down to Osterley. I have previously tipped the E1 for extension to Osterley and would have thought it'd be the logical candidate but apparently not
E1 is always a popular one for extensions as it is so short, but actually works so well in its current form. It's a slightly more low-key W7, the buses are rammed full in rush hour and you really need a frequent, reliable service to mop up the crowds at Ealing Broadway. Sadly, as an Ealing resident myself, many people still feel the same way about Greenford and Northolt. The E9 would link Pitshanger and South Ealing which could be well-used.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 19:13:38 GMT
As I said before, the proposed extension of route E10 to Osterley is subject to consultation with other linked proposed route changes to the 440 and E3 What are the linked changes to routes E3 and 440? proposed changes to routings so I'm guessing this will be somewhere in the Acton/Chiswick area
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