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Post by snowman on Jul 1, 2019 19:07:20 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 1, 2019 19:48:46 GMT
Expect the 47 to be cut to Liverpool Street again like in the past with roadworks or even the 188 maybe back to Aldwych to provide widen the headways.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 2, 2019 6:35:24 GMT
Expect the 47 to be cut to Liverpool Street again like in the past with roadworks or even the 188 maybe back to Aldwych to provide widen the headways. I'm sure that the impending CS4 work on Tooley Street was a factor that made TfL decide to butcher the RV1
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Post by lundnah on Jul 2, 2019 6:49:26 GMT
omigod omigod omigod
Someone let the work experience trainee loose on the Permanent Bus Changes webpage.
Every previously-listed change has disappeared! This includes details of the massive changes in central London a few weeks ago, and all the maps of those changes. There's also no longer any mention of new bus route 301 which starts in less than a fortnight's time. The pdf link to the bus changes document has also been removed.
Instead we have a list of re-timetablings and re-routings from the last couple of weeks, mostly minor in nature, hidden within an expandable atomised list.
Example...
Only one future change is mentioned, and it's this. It's such an appalling redesign, I can't believe it'll stay this way. It had better not.
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Post by danorak on Jul 2, 2019 11:03:20 GMT
I think there is a general move away from PDFs on government sites as they aren't great for people who use accessibility aids like screen readers. And I suppose this format can be updated as you go along rather than requiring the publication of a specific document.
I was amused by the link to 'Improving Bus Services' that I hadn't spotted before. It seems to have an elastic relationship with the truth:
We are making a number of changes along our bus routes to improve the experience for customers. These include:
More convenient routes to key amenities such as shopping centres and hospitals
Quicker journeys on selected routes by giving buses priority on the roads, meaning buses get ahead of traffic Increased space on buses by introducing double-deck buses on certain routes
Extra buses during busy times such as morning and evening peak, school runs and Saturday and Sunday shopping times
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Post by busman on Jul 2, 2019 12:15:34 GMT
It seems to have an elastic relationship with the truth 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by busaholic on Jul 2, 2019 13:04:19 GMT
I was amused by the link to 'Improving Bus Services' that I hadn't spotted before. It seems to have an elastic relationship with the truth: We are making a number of changes along our bus routes to improve the experience for customers. These include: More convenient routes to key amenities such as shopping centres and hospitals Quicker journeys on selected routes by giving buses priority on the roads, meaning buses get ahead of traffic Increased space on buses by introducing double-deck buses on certain routes Extra buses during busy times such as morning and evening peak, school runs and Saturday and Sunday shopping times There - that was simple, wasn't it?! Makes you wonder why no-one ever thought of it before. I take it a sprog of Chris Grayling has been taken on by TfL for 'work experience'. No emojis, cos none is adequate to express my true feelings.
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Jul 2, 2019 16:07:39 GMT
I think Terminus place Victoria is now open so Buses will use the Stops there and no longer Stop A I guess.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 2, 2019 17:13:40 GMT
Probably no wonder the useage on the 47 has dropped so a 20 mins Sunday service suffices. Constant delays/diversions will ultermately lead to people abandoning the route.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 2, 2019 17:21:14 GMT
Probably no wonder the useage on the 47 has dropped so a 20 mins Sunday service suffices. Constant delays/diversions will ultermately lead to people abandoning the route. If the 159 does cut to Oxo then they could of course extend the N109 to Marble Arch and run a 15 mins service from there to Croydon.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 2, 2019 17:26:39 GMT
Probably no wonder the useage on the 47 has dropped so a 20 mins Sunday service suffices. Constant delays/diversions will ultermately lead to people abandoning the route. Part of the decline of the 47 might also be attributable to improved rail links, firstly the Jubilee Line, then the much-improved East London Line from 2010 and more recently, the completion of the major works at London Bridge improving Southeastern and Thameslink train services from the Catford area, Lewisham and Deptford.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 17:42:01 GMT
Probably no wonder the useage on the 47 has dropped so a 20 mins Sunday service suffices. Constant delays/diversions will ultermately lead to people abandoning the route. Part of the decline of the 47 might also be attributable to improved rail links, firstly the Jubilee Line, then the much-improved East London Line from 2010 and more recently, the completion of the major works at London Bridge improving Southeastern and Thameslink train services from the Catford area, Lewisham and Deptford. Yes that is undoubtedly the main reason for the decline in usage on the 47 in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 47 was withdrawn at some point with changes to other routes in part replacement like with the 48.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 2, 2019 19:51:27 GMT
Extending the 129 to Catford and the 180 still running to Lewisham would maintain cacapcity/links to Lewisham/Catford then the 199 could divert via Brookmill Road and be extended to tower Bridge Road/City Hall stand and withdraw the 47. Either way in sure tfl could easily claim space cacapcity from Lewisham to TL. Alternatively extend the 1 from CW maybe to Lewisham via Brookmill Road with the 129 to TL.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 2, 2019 22:47:58 GMT
Extending the 129 to Catford and the 180 still running to Lewisham would maintain cacapcity/links to Lewisham/Catford then the 199 could divert via Brookmill Road and be extended to tower Bridge Road/City Hall stand and withdraw the 47. Either way in sure tfl could easily claim space cacapcity from Lewisham to TL. Alternatively extend the 1 from CW maybe to Lewisham via Brookmill Road with the 129 to TL. Is it really necessary to do away with the 47? The route isn't as busy as it was but still does provide useful links to the City of London for many to reach their jobs, something they'd no longer be able to do with in one change of bus as the 47 is the only route that serves Tooley Street and turns right to cross London Bridge.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 3, 2019 0:51:19 GMT
Extending the 129 to Catford and the 180 still running to Lewisham would maintain cacapcity/links to Lewisham/Catford then the 199 could divert via Brookmill Road and be extended to tower Bridge Road/City Hall stand and withdraw the 47. Either way in sure tfl could easily claim space cacapcity from Lewisham to TL. Alternatively extend the 1 from CW maybe to Lewisham via Brookmill Road with the 129 to TL. Is it really necessary to do away with the 47? The route isn't as busy as it was but still does provide useful links to the City of London for many to reach their jobs, something they'd no longer be able to do with in one change of bus as the 47 is the only route that serves Tooley Street and turns right to cross London Bridge. Agree with this but this sort of thing is forgotten when the old usual 'fresh air' & 'train' phrases are bandied about. Of course when railway lines are upgraded, there is going to be some loss but what hasn't been mentioned is by reducing the 47's frequency, that is also having a massive contribution to any loss of demand as people then vote with their feet. Trying to squeeze every person onto railway and tube lines is idiotic and will have an impact further down the line - buses and railways can and do work in tandem with each other.
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