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Post by kmkcheng on Jan 13, 2020 12:58:15 GMT
It would be a stretch but they might just be able to do it - as the main road through the grounds is virtually straight. I know that the Aspire Leisure Centre wanted to replace its current minibus service from Stanmore Station, and it would make complete sense if they did this by utilising the 324 (Which would come from Stanmore too). Does it take the route out of the London boundary ? It also frees up space at Stanmore Station stand for the H12. If it can’t turn around on the hospital grounds, it will go up to Centennial Park, Elstree to turn around which is just over the border into Herts
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Post by rif153 on Jan 14, 2020 20:37:25 GMT
I wonder *if* Abellio do win the 483 on the next tender the route will extend to their garage, like the 52 and 422 when it was with GAL etc. The proposed extension has rather put it on their doorstep. I don't disagree with the extension,but I'd like a double run via the hospital grounds for those less mobile and less able to walk to the Uxbridge Road to still be able to utilise the link to Ealing Broadway and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:46:52 GMT
The proposed extension has rather put it on their doorstep. I don't disagree with the extension,but I'd like a double run via the hospital grounds for those less mobile and less able to walk to the Uxbridge Road to still be able to utilise the link to Ealing Broadway and beyond. Speaking of the 483 extension to Ealing Hospital this means the N83 will remain terminating at Ealing, surprised just over a year on and TFL haven't come to a conclusion yet? They did say it would only go ahead if a there is a suitable place to install a toilet facility for drivers
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Post by rif153 on Jan 15, 2020 16:02:39 GMT
I don't disagree with the extension,but I'd like a double run via the hospital grounds for those less mobile and less able to walk to the Uxbridge Road to still be able to utilise the link to Ealing Broadway and beyond. Speaking of the 483 extension to Ealing Hospital this means the N83 will remain terminating at Ealing, surprised just over a year on and TFL haven't come to a conclusion yet? They did say it would only go ahead if a there is a suitable place to install a toilet facility for drivers I don't really see why not if you're going to extend the 483 you might as well extend the N83 too. I know others will argue that at night there is little demand for travel to and industrial estate, however, people do have houses in the viccinity of the industrial estate, for instance Toplocks Estate in Southall is walking distance from the industrial estate.
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Post by ronnie on Jan 15, 2020 17:25:47 GMT
The Bus changes webpage now includes a map for new route 497 (starts 25th January). It doesn't show any bus stop detail, in fact it's just a recycled map from the original consultation in 2017, but it's useful to have all the same.
A very short route too, barely two and a half miles.
Wow, I never realised it was so short. Will be an easy end to end then!! being so short I wonder if the second vehicle is needed by the smallest margin. If they wanted to make the timetable ridiculously tight I wonder if a whole 497 rounder could be done in 30 minutes with one vehicle. Ah perfect timing. Have plans to do one more Romford day so will tick this off (close to Easter)
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Post by busman on Jan 16, 2020 1:06:53 GMT
Speaking of the 483 extension to Ealing Hospital this means the N83 will remain terminating at Ealing, surprised just over a year on and TFL haven't come to a conclusion yet? They did say it would only go ahead if a there is a suitable place to install a toilet facility for drivers I don't really see why not if you're going to extend the 483 you might as well extend the N83 too. I know others will argue that at night there is little demand for travel to and industrial estate, however, people do have houses in the viccinity of the industrial estate, for instance Toplocks Estate in Southall is walking distance from the industrial estate. I wouldn’t fancy a walk down the grand union canal at the dead of night. I don’t think the N83 needs extending beyond Ealing Hospital. Also it seems odd for TfL to remove a bus from hospital grounds....especially one that sits on top of a hill! This is surely against what the Mayor was proposing at the start of his term. I can’t help thinking that TfL want to free up the terminal space for some other reason. There’s more to this extension than TfL are letting on. Residents of Windmill Park really don’t have trouble walking to the Uxbridge Road for the 207. Also the houses are quite sparse on the other side of Brunel’s 3 bridges.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2020 8:36:21 GMT
Maybe the 427 will be retained to Acton and the 207 is cut to Ealing Hospital instead. So effectively from Hayes By Pass and Southall there would be the 427 to Ealing and Acton and the 607 would maintain the Shepherds Bush link. That way they can reduce there being 2 routes between Hayes BP and Ealing Hospital to reduce costs.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2020 9:17:31 GMT
Or the 427 terminates at Ealing Hospital rather then Southall.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 16, 2020 10:22:45 GMT
I don't really see why not if you're going to extend the 483 you might as well extend the N83 too. I know others will argue that at night there is little demand for travel to and industrial estate, however, people do have houses in the viccinity of the industrial estate, for instance Toplocks Estate in Southall is walking distance from the industrial estate. I wouldn’t fancy a walk down the grand union canal at the dead of night. I don’t think the N83 needs extending beyond Ealing Hospital. Also it seems odd for TfL to remove a bus from hospital grounds....especially one that sits on top of a hill! This is surely against what the Mayor was proposing at the start of his term. I can’t help thinking that TfL want to free up the terminal space for some other reason. There’s more to this extension than TfL are letting on. Residents of Windmill Park really don’t have trouble walking to the Uxbridge Road for the 207. Also the houses are quite sparse on the other side of Brunel’s 3 bridges. There's no ulterior motive. I worked at GW once and the accessibility to public transport from that area needs improving. Even when I got to Windmill Park, it was still a fair walk to a bus stop once on the Uxbridge Road, especially towards Ealing. Some residents in that estate will be relying on taxis and lifts to get out and about as is the case in a few somewhat isolated housing estates. The proposal will be an improvement for accessibility to the bus network.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2020 10:30:36 GMT
Possibly the length of the old 83 prevented any extension whereas the 483 is a bit more manageable.
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Post by busman on Jan 16, 2020 15:59:23 GMT
I wouldn’t fancy a walk down the grand union canal at the dead of night. I don’t think the N83 needs extending beyond Ealing Hospital. Also it seems odd for TfL to remove a bus from hospital grounds....especially one that sits on top of a hill! This is surely against what the Mayor was proposing at the start of his term. I can’t help thinking that TfL want to free up the terminal space for some other reason. There’s more to this extension than TfL are letting on. Residents of Windmill Park really don’t have trouble walking to the Uxbridge Road for the 207. Also the houses are quite sparse on the other side of Brunel’s 3 bridges. There's no ulterior motive. I worked at GW once and the accessibility to public transport from that area needs improving. Even when I got to Windmill Park, it was still a fair walk to a bus stop once on the Uxbridge Road, especially towards Ealing. Some residents in that estate will be relying on taxis and lifts to get out and about as is the case in a few somewhat isolated housing estates. The proposal will be an improvement for accessibility to the bus network. With all due respect, the residents on the estate are not isolated. That’s absolute nonsense. I know as I have friends and family that have lived there since the days of the Perivale to Windmill Park E4! Workers at Noon and the retail park/industrial estate will certainly benefit. But it hardly seems worth it if it means the 483 will be pulled from Ealing Hospital grounds. It should continue to serve the hospital in both directions if extended.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jan 16, 2020 16:10:01 GMT
This proposal was mooted long time ago so it's hardly a surprise
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Post by rif153 on Jan 16, 2020 23:18:25 GMT
I don't really see why not if you're going to extend the 483 you might as well extend the N83 too. I know others will argue that at night there is little demand for travel to and industrial estate, however, people do have houses in the viccinity of the industrial estate, for instance Toplocks Estate in Southall is walking distance from the industrial estate. I wouldn’t fancy a walk down the grand union canal at the dead of night. I don’t think the N83 needs extending beyond Ealing Hospital. Also it seems odd for TfL to remove a bus from hospital grounds....especially one that sits on top of a hill! This is surely against what the Mayor was proposing at the start of his term. I can’t help thinking that TfL want to free up the terminal space for some other reason. There’s more to this extension than TfL are letting on. Residents of Windmill Park really don’t have trouble walking to the Uxbridge Road for the 207. Also the houses are quite sparse on the other side of Brunel’s 3 bridges. It seems I haven't been clear. I support a double run via the hospital grounds at all times of the day, I'm Ealing born and bred so know the importance of that link.
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Post by rif153 on Jan 16, 2020 23:21:59 GMT
Or the 427 terminates at Ealing Hospital rather then Southall. I can't see that happening as it looks incredibly foolish on TfL's part given that the 427's new terminus in Southall is inteded to provide easy access/interchange with Crossrail, terminating the route at Ealing Hospital short changes passengers who would have to change to reach Ealing Broadway and see little benefit from Crossrail due to a broken link whereas at least under the current proposals, a direct link to Crossrail is ensured.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 16, 2020 23:58:24 GMT
Maybe the 427 will be retained to Acton and the 207 is cut to Ealing Hospital instead. So effectively from Hayes By Pass and Southall there would be the 427 to Ealing and Acton and the 607 would maintain the Shepherds Bush link. That way they can reduce there being 2 routes between Hayes BP and Ealing Hospital to reduce costs. Is the 207 well used beyond Ealing Hospital to Hayes?
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