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Post by lonmark on Oct 21, 2014 17:43:19 GMT
New Addington bus service to be may better n improve than current.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:59:49 GMT
New Addington bus service to be may better n improve than current. Funnily enough someone's suggestion that the N64 become a 24-hr 64 seems to have actually happened! |
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Post by sid on Oct 21, 2014 18:02:24 GMT
Yes I can't see anything wrong with those ideas at all. I'd go a step further and extend the 353 back to Croydon in place of the 466 and add a double run to the 433 via Courtwood Lane replacing that part of the T31.
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Post by snowman on Oct 21, 2014 18:30:37 GMT
New Addington bus service to be may better n improve than current. It has already been mentioned that the delayed tender awards (tranche 474) are related to this. of the routes awaiting awards T32 gets discontinued, 353 gets a Forestdale extension. The consultation is open until 5th December, the T32 contract expires 4 months after that. However this might not be the change date as could be a short transition, the 353 contract expires late May. Assuming no tender award until after the consultation expires (and allow a bit of review (even if in practice the decision is already a done deal) would suggest an award about a week before Christmas), and as the bus builders shut down over Christmas and New Year, this looks like secondhand buses for next 353 contract, at least initially. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 21, 2014 18:30:38 GMT
I wonder what took them so long to start this Consultation. Finally has become public. Interesting to divert the 130 & 464 via Arnhem Drive. Wouldn't surprise me if the 353 contract renewal date is extended a few months further on a Temporary Contract.
64 makes sense then the N Prefix can be dropped, 353 makes sense. The fleet from the T31 can go to the 255.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2014 18:32:32 GMT
Yes I can't see anything wrong with those ideas at all. I'd go a step further and extend the 353 back to Croydon in place of the 466 and add a double run to the 433 via Courtwood Lane replacing that part of the T31. Great minds think alike - the only difference between your idea and my idea is I'd leave the 466 as it is and extend the 353 to Croydon via Lloyd Park & Park Hill. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 21, 2014 18:39:10 GMT
What TfL should really have done is create two maps that show the current and proposed peak and eve/Sun frequencies. Some areas gain but others lose quite badly. Courtwood Lane in Selsdon will have its service halved. That might be the right answer for the demand and it may stop them moaning about terminating buses but that's a hefty cut. Arnhem Drive sees a 40% cut in service during the day. Given past comments on this group about the 353's reliability I'd be concerned as to whether buses will regularly reach Forestdale. Losing 1 bus due to a curtailment means a 30 minute wait during the day or an hour at night.
The positives are the 359 proposal, the small increase to the 130's frequency plus the slightly larger tram to bus through ticketing scheme. I still don't understand why you can buy a through ticket to the tram from Eltham or Bromley on the 314 but you cannot get one from Biggin Hill on the 464. Daft.
I've only been to New Addington a handful of times so have no feel for how busy / quiet the buses are. Some of the routes may well warrant a reduction but I am a tiny bit sceptical about the motives behind this scheme. Looks more like a money saving exercise to me than one of overall improvement.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 21, 2014 18:59:21 GMT
What TfL should really have done is create two maps that show the current and proposed peak and eve/Sun frequencies. Some areas gain but others lose quite badly. Courtwood Lane in Selsdon will have its service halved. That might be the right answer for the demand and it may stop them moaning about terminating buses but that's a hefty cut. Arnhem Drive sees a 40% cut in service during the day. Given past comments on this group about the 353's reliability I'd be concerned as to whether buses will regularly reach Forestdale. Losing 1 bus due to a curtailment means a 30 minute way during the day or an hour at night. The positives are the 359 proposal, the small increase to the 130's frequency plus the slightly larger tram to bus through ticketing scheme. I still don't understand why you can buy a through ticket to the tram from Eltham or Bromley on the 314 but you cannot get one from Biggin Hill on the 464. Daft. I've only been to New Addington a handful of times so have no feel for how busy / quiet the buses are. Some of the routes may well warrant a reduction but I am a tiny bit sceptical about the motives behind this scheme. Looks more like a money saving exercise to me than one of overall improvement. You have a good point about the 353. The 353 would now terminate in Housing areas at both ends of the route, execept that in Ramsden Estate there is the frequent R9. The 353 is going to need enough time to complete the route and more stand time to prevent curtailments to Addington Village, off peak the service is OK, but during the peaks full of curtailments. A PVR of at least 8 off peak and 9 or even 10 during the peak to prevent curtailments |
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Post by lonmark on Oct 21, 2014 19:17:52 GMT
Arriva is going to lose T31 and what happened to bus drivers?
I think route 353 should have evenings and sunday increase with mins freq from 30 mins to 20 mins. Fed up with waiting for either 314 or 353 when both few mins gap then long mins gap when run in evening and All day Sunday too! About time for route 353 to get free travel to get on tram.
It look like Addington Villages and New Addingtons will get more bus stand space but Vulcan Way Stand area gain more there. I past that area other day and i note that it have large space can be good for buses to stand there. Not sure how busy cars park there at Peaks time?
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Post by croydonguy on Oct 21, 2014 19:18:09 GMT
Very interesting. In the 19 years of living in New Addington, I have never really seen the point of these T routes, sure they are a tram feeder service and offer a bus and tram discount but they were also supposed to be a reliable link between local areas and the tramlink system but there has always been complaints from residents, regarding how the tram will always leave as the bus turns up. Having the 64 running via Goldcrest Way and King Henry's Drive etc. can definitely be beneficial for the area, in terms of providing a direct link between areas such as King Henry's Drive and Headly Drive and Mayday Hospital and John Ruskin College in Selsdon Park Road and the shops in Selsdon high street.
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Post by Nathan on Oct 21, 2014 19:59:07 GMT
I find it kind of funny that Arriva are probably going to lose another route but this time it's not going to another operator. They're just scrapping it altogether  When did the T routes come about anyway? What year? |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 21, 2014 20:22:35 GMT
I find it kind of funny that Arriva are probably going to lose another route but this time it's not going to another operator. They're just scrapping it altogether When did the T routes come about anyway? What year? May 2000 is when the routes started. link |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2014 20:56:35 GMT
Arriva is going to lose T31 and what happened to bus drivers? I think route 353 should have evenings and sunday increase with mins freq from 30 mins to 20 mins. Fed up with waiting for either 314 or 353 when both few mins gap then long mins gap when run in evening and All day Sunday too! About time for route 353 to get free travel to get on tram. It look like Addington Villages and New Addingtons will get more bus stand space but Vulcan Way Stand area gain more there. I past that area other day and i note that it have large space can be good for buses to stand there. Not sure how busy cars park there at Peaks time? When the T31 began operating in 2000, it terminated at Vulcan Way and I believe the bus stand remained in place after the terminus was changed though I can't see it on Google Maps currently |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2014 21:01:41 GMT
Personally, I'm a bit mixed about these proposals - my criticisms are:
Sending the 353 to Forestdale when an extension to Croydon via Lloyd Park would be more beneficial IMO.
Re-routing the 433 (T33) to do a double run via Forestdale in both directions - adds an extra couple of minutes in the worst case scenario.
Extending the 64 further into New Addington rather than extending the 64 to Streatham to help out the overcrowded 109.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 21:40:55 GMT
Out of interest when is the 359 up for tender?
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