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Post by snoggle on Dec 20, 2014 17:26:45 GMT
As we often stray into the realms of what is right, wrong or indifferent about cycling provision in London here is a report from TfL that shows lots and lots of examples of good practice from the UK and mainland Europe. It's produced by people independent of TfL. www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/international-cycling-infrastructure-best-practice-study.pdfI have only skimmed the document so offer no substantive comment on it other than it should show that there are lots of options about how to accommodate cycling. I suspect some group members will remain as anti cycling as ever but at least there is an authoritative document to look at to see if you want to change your views or not. Posted here so as not clutter up the usual sections that report on bus stuff. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 20, 2014 18:00:33 GMT
As we often stray into the realms of what is right, wrong or indifferent about cycling provision in London here is a report from TfL that shows lots and lots of examples of good practice from the UK and mainland Europe. It's produced by people independent of TfL. www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/international-cycling-infrastructure-best-practice-study.pdfI have only skimmed the document so offer no substantive comment on it other than it should show that there are lots of options about how to accommodate cycling. I suspect some group members will remain as anti cycling as ever but at least there is an authoritative document to look at to see if you want to change your views or not. Posted here so as not clutter up the usual sections that report on bus stuff. I am anti cyclist but I have my reasons. I see way too many breaking the law than I see other road users doing the same. On a daily basis for example, I may see 3 motor vehicles pass through red lights but see 6 cyclists do the exact same thing. I've seen the odd cyclist ride the wrong way along the one way section of Effra Road where I've never seen any motor vehicle do the same. The majority of cyclists also seem to tend to blame everyone else for any incident involving a cyclist despite who was right or wrong in the first place. My view can be changed if cyclists were educated on how to obey the rules of the road alongside those rouge motor vehicle drivers who also need teaching and bring proper punishments, then I think this type of 'road wars' will end without having to introduce costly schemes such the Dutch Roundabout. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 20, 2014 19:01:31 GMT
I am anti cyclist but I have my reasons. I see way too many breaking the law than I see other road users doing the same. On a daily basis for example, I may see 3 motor vehicles pass through red lights but see 6 cyclists do the exact same thing. I've seen the odd cyclist ride the wrong way along the one way section of Effra Road where I've never seen any motor vehicle do the same. The majority of cyclists also seem to tend to blame everyone else for any incident involving a cyclist despite who was right or wrong in the first place. My view can be changed if cyclists were educated on how to obey the rules of the road alongside those rouge motor vehicle drivers who also need teaching and bring proper punishments, then I think this type of 'road wars' will end without having to introduce costly schemes such the Dutch Roundabout. Reading the above I would say you were anti "bad road behaviour" rather than being against any particular form of transport. |
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Post by rambo on Dec 20, 2014 19:21:44 GMT
As we often stray into the realms of what is right, wrong or indifferent about cycling provision in London here is a report from TfL that shows lots and lots of examples of good practice from the UK and mainland Europe. It's produced by people independent of TfL. www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/international-cycling-infrastructure-best-practice-study.pdfI have only skimmed the document so offer no substantive comment on it other than it should show that there are lots of options about how to accommodate cycling. I suspect some group members will remain as anti cycling as ever but at least there is an authoritative document to look at to see if you want to change your views or not. Posted here so as not clutter up the usual sections that report on bus stuff. I am anti cyclist but I have my reasons. I see way too many breaking the law than I see other road users doing the same. On a daily basis for example, I may see 3 motor vehicles pass through red lights but see 6 cyclists do the exact same thing. I've seen the odd cyclist ride the wrong way along the one way section of Effra Road where I've never seen any motor vehicle do the same. The majority of cyclists also seem to tend to blame everyone else for any incident involving a cyclist despite who was right or wrong in the first place. My view can be changed if cyclists were educated on how to obey the rules of the road alongside those rouge motor vehicle drivers who also need teaching and bring proper punishments, then I think this type of 'road wars' will end without having to introduce costly schemes such the Dutch Roundabout. Agree with that. I don't have any problem with roads being cycle friendly, but, and this is a big but, cyclists must use it correctly and it needs to be enforced. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:23:43 GMT
As we often stray into the realms of what is right, wrong or indifferent about cycling provision in London here is a report from TfL that shows lots and lots of examples of good practice from the UK and mainland Europe. It's produced by people independent of TfL. www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/international-cycling-infrastructure-best-practice-study.pdfI have only skimmed the document so offer no substantive comment on it other than it should show that there are lots of options about how to accommodate cycling. I suspect some group members will remain as anti cycling as ever but at least there is an authoritative document to look at to see if you want to change your views or not. Posted here so as not clutter up the usual sections that report on bus stuff. I am anti cyclist but I have my reasons. I see way too many breaking the law than I see other road users doing the same. On a daily basis for example, I may see 3 motor vehicles pass through red lights but see 6 cyclists do the exact same thing. I've seen the odd cyclist ride the wrong way along the one way section of Effra Road where I've never seen any motor vehicle do the same. The majority of cyclists also seem to tend to blame everyone else for any incident involving a cyclist despite who was right or wrong in the first place. My view can be changed if cyclists were educated on how to obey the rules of the road alongside those rouge motor vehicle drivers who also need teaching and bring proper punishments, then I think this type of 'road wars' will end without having to introduce costly schemes such the Dutch Roundabout. This is the problem with cyclists, people would respect them a lot more if they obeyed the law. Even now if I come across a law abiding cyclist then I have no problem with him/her. |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 3, 2016 12:13:16 GMT
I am anti cyclist but I have my reasons. I see way too many breaking the law than I see other road users doing the same. On a daily basis for example, I may see 3 motor vehicles pass through red lights but see 6 cyclists do the exact same thing. I've seen the odd cyclist ride the wrong way along the one way section of Effra Road where I've never seen any motor vehicle do the same. The majority of cyclists also seem to tend to blame everyone else for any incident involving a cyclist despite who was right or wrong in the first place. My view can be changed if cyclists were educated on how to obey the rules of the road alongside those rouge motor vehicle drivers who also need teaching and bring proper punishments, then I think this type of 'road wars' will end without having to introduce costly schemes such the Dutch Roundabout. This is the problem with cyclists, people would respect them a lot more if they obeyed the law. Even now if I come across a law abiding cyclist then I have no problem with him/her. From around 2 o'clock today LBC will be discussing issues on whether cyclist should carry IDs. |
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