Post by Alex on Dec 22, 2014 23:33:35 GMT
Is it me - or does it seem odd that Green Street doesn't have a night bus?
Looking at TfL useage data and dividing the passenger numbers by kilometres run, the 330, 104, 58 and 238 are well up there (330 is second from top on 9.85 ppkm, 104, 58 and 238 are 5, 6 and 7 in the list) though many other routes carry more overall passengers. How does the Tfl process for making night routes apply, as I can see it's some sort of correlation between the total passenger use against how many people are carried as an average? Also would both ends of Green Street being served by the 25, N86 and N15 have a bearing as this brings a night route within the reach of most people?
Green Street is a massively populated area, and my question isn't a random one as my girlfriend and her family live nearby there - I spend a lot of time travelling and have pondered this. Also, for interest here's the top 20 of the figures my Excel spreadsheet came up with:
ROUTE USE KM P PER KM
W7 5 848 246 535 371 10.92372579
330 3 236 591 328 427 9.854826187
507 4 408 193 457 839 9.628259279
69 9 388 053 1 004 499 9.346005322
104 6 800 183 728 194 9.338422179
58 8 357 069 900 209 9.283476393
238 4 795 766 527 240 9.095982854
EL1 3 372 836 382 784 8.811329627
29 16 886 814 1 935 933 8.722829767
149 15 216 189 1 759 927 8.645920541
271 5 025 370 591 922 8.48991928
35 8 627 473 1 016 972 8.483491188
109 10 691 088 1 297 714 8.238400757
41 8 488 014 1 062 433 7.98922285
243 12 773 477 1 639 500 7.791080817
257 6 297 459 821 525 7.665571955
25 23 674 316 3 110 793 7.610379733
43 12 150 758 1 603 286 7.578659079
133 9 588 567 1 280 397 7.488745288
207 13 556 997 1 815 033 7.46928403
(This is just daytime routes, as I wanted to see these v which night routes were provided to make a comparison)
I realise that Green Street has had a night route before - the 58 was 24 hour for a few years - so how come things didn't work in reality (to make the service worthwhile)? I believe that the 58, 69, 101 and 106 gained night routes at around the same time and only the 69 still exists - on the same formula the N69 (as it were) carries many people per km - 4.54, second place behind the N35.
Sorry if talking about one street seems a bit random but I spend a lot of time there so has crossed my mind, and also a few of the 'outer London' night routes seem to be earning their keep in recent years - N69 being one, so would an idea of a service along this road at night be a sensible idea. I know an N330 may be asking a bit much (though useful, both ends of the route have regular night buses on the 25, N86, N15) but a N104 seems a reasonable idea - the Lonsdale Avenue area is away from night routes too.
Looking at TfL useage data and dividing the passenger numbers by kilometres run, the 330, 104, 58 and 238 are well up there (330 is second from top on 9.85 ppkm, 104, 58 and 238 are 5, 6 and 7 in the list) though many other routes carry more overall passengers. How does the Tfl process for making night routes apply, as I can see it's some sort of correlation between the total passenger use against how many people are carried as an average? Also would both ends of Green Street being served by the 25, N86 and N15 have a bearing as this brings a night route within the reach of most people?
Green Street is a massively populated area, and my question isn't a random one as my girlfriend and her family live nearby there - I spend a lot of time travelling and have pondered this. Also, for interest here's the top 20 of the figures my Excel spreadsheet came up with:
ROUTE USE KM P PER KM
W7 5 848 246 535 371 10.92372579
330 3 236 591 328 427 9.854826187
507 4 408 193 457 839 9.628259279
69 9 388 053 1 004 499 9.346005322
104 6 800 183 728 194 9.338422179
58 8 357 069 900 209 9.283476393
238 4 795 766 527 240 9.095982854
EL1 3 372 836 382 784 8.811329627
29 16 886 814 1 935 933 8.722829767
149 15 216 189 1 759 927 8.645920541
271 5 025 370 591 922 8.48991928
35 8 627 473 1 016 972 8.483491188
109 10 691 088 1 297 714 8.238400757
41 8 488 014 1 062 433 7.98922285
243 12 773 477 1 639 500 7.791080817
257 6 297 459 821 525 7.665571955
25 23 674 316 3 110 793 7.610379733
43 12 150 758 1 603 286 7.578659079
133 9 588 567 1 280 397 7.488745288
207 13 556 997 1 815 033 7.46928403
(This is just daytime routes, as I wanted to see these v which night routes were provided to make a comparison)
I realise that Green Street has had a night route before - the 58 was 24 hour for a few years - so how come things didn't work in reality (to make the service worthwhile)? I believe that the 58, 69, 101 and 106 gained night routes at around the same time and only the 69 still exists - on the same formula the N69 (as it were) carries many people per km - 4.54, second place behind the N35.
Sorry if talking about one street seems a bit random but I spend a lot of time there so has crossed my mind, and also a few of the 'outer London' night routes seem to be earning their keep in recent years - N69 being one, so would an idea of a service along this road at night be a sensible idea. I know an N330 may be asking a bit much (though useful, both ends of the route have regular night buses on the 25, N86, N15) but a N104 seems a reasonable idea - the Lonsdale Avenue area is away from night routes too.