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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 11:58:08 GMT
Might it be possible that the 485 is due for extension from Wandsworth to Battersea Shaftesbury Estate, replacing the G1 between Clapham Junction and Shaftesbury Estate? This would require upgrading of the 485 to daily [including evenings] operation. At a 20-minute frequency, 5 scheduled vehicles would be required. I only offer this possible explanation because Wandsworth Council has made requests to TfL for the resurrection of a direct bus link between Putney Bridge Road and Clapham Junction (lost back in 1972 when trolley replacement Route 255 was withdrawn). Also, it would mean that both long and short vehicles would be able to operate on the G1 over the whole length of its truncated route. I understand that, at the moment, the operation of a long vehicle on the G1 causes a problem because it cannot cover the Clapham Junction-Shaftesbury Estate section.
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Post by eggmiester on Mar 14, 2015 13:25:09 GMT
Never believe 100% what you hear or read in LOTS publications. Not all of it is a true as it is made out to be......
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Post by danorak on Mar 19, 2015 12:38:33 GMT
Never believe 100% what you hear or read in LOTS publications. Not all of it is a true as it is made out to be...... On that note, the latest TLB has a reference to a forthcoming consultation about changes to the 424 and 485 - no other details given. So in memoriam to the late great Shaw Taylor... keep 'em peeled!
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Post by snoggle on Mar 19, 2015 14:56:49 GMT
Never believe 100% what you hear or read in LOTS publications. Not all of it is a true as it is made out to be...... On that note, the latest TLB has a reference to a forthcoming consultation about changes to the 424 and 485 - no other details given. So in memoriam to the late great Shaw Taylor... keep 'em peeled! This is getting tiresome. Why can't they just put the issue out to consultation and then we'll know what they want to do?
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Post by riverside on Mar 20, 2015 12:45:56 GMT
On that note, the latest TLB has a reference to a forthcoming consultation about changes to the 424 and 485 - no other details given. So in memoriam to the late great Shaw Taylor... keep 'em peeled! This is getting tiresome. Why can't they just put the issue out to consultation and then we'll know what they want to do? The earlier suggestion of the 485 replacing the Shaftesbury Estate leg of the G1 is an interesting one. It would enable larger capacity buses to service the busier southern end of the route. The restoration of the old 255 link between Putney Bridge Road and Clapham Junction would be welcome. Unlike the 255 I presume the 485 would be routed via Battersea Rise rather than St. John's Hill, so as to serve the shops in St. John's Road. Until TfL go to consultation we are all still guessing. The latest information from LOTS states that the 424 and 485 are candidates for proposed changes, whether separately or linked we'll have to wait and see. The same issue of TLB states that there is a suspension of consultations prior to the General Election which is something I didn't realise happened. I couldn't honestly see the fate of the humble 485 becoming a major talking point on the proposed TV election debates! They say patience is a virtue, so we'll just have to keep on waiting and speculating.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 20, 2015 13:05:22 GMT
This is getting tiresome. Why can't they just put the issue out to consultation and then we'll know what they want to do? The earlier suggestion of the 485 replacing the Shaftesbury Estate leg of the G1 is an interesting one. It would enable larger capacity buses to service the busier southern end of the route. The restoration of the old 255 link between Putney Bridge Road and Clapham Junction would be welcome. Unlike the 255 I presume the 485 would be routed via Battersea Rise rather than St. John's Hill, so as to serve the shops in St. John's Road. Until TfL go to consultation we are all still guessing. The latest information from LOTS states that the 424 and 485 are candidates for proposed changes, whether separately or linked we'll have to wait and see. The same issue of TLB states that there is a suspension of consultations prior to the General Election which is something I didn't realise happened. I couldn't honestly see the fate of the humble 485 becoming a major talking point on the proposed TV election debates! They say patience is a virtue, so we'll just have to keep on waiting and speculating. I believe the "purdah" period prior to elections is a relatively recent development but is mandated in law and public bodies like TfL are not allowed to do or announce anything that could be perceived as or actually is "influencing" the voters' intentions. TfL issues instructions to all of its staff about what they can do, say or write in this period. Further some staff in certain roles have additional restrictions placed on their behaviour. You may recall that the opening of the East London Line extension was stalled by the purdah period as there was an election due. Boris tried to ignore it but I think he was eventually persuaded he couldn't come along and cut a ribbon. Back on the buses the G1 idea is interesting but I'm amazed it's not a declared part of the tender award given it gets a better frequency and new buses shortly. I can't see a change being popular if it means the Shaftesbury Estate were to lose a frequent service. The 485 is half hourly M-S with no late evening service whereas the G1 is daily and reasonably frequent.
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Post by riverside on Mar 20, 2015 16:22:45 GMT
The earlier suggestion of the 485 replacing the Shaftesbury Estate leg of the G1 is an interesting one. It would enable larger capacity buses to service the busier southern end of the route. The restoration of the old 255 link between Putney Bridge Road and Clapham Junction would be welcome. Unlike the 255 I presume the 485 would be routed via Battersea Rise rather than St. John's Hill, so as to serve the shops in St. John's Road. Until TfL go to consultation we are all still guessing. The latest information from LOTS states that the 424 and 485 are candidates for proposed changes, whether separately or linked we'll have to wait and see. The same issue of TLB states that there is a suspension of consultations prior to the General Election which is something I didn't realise happened. I couldn't honestly see the fate of the humble 485 becoming a major talking point on the proposed TV election debates! They say patience is a virtue, so we'll just have to keep on waiting and speculating. I believe the "purdah" period prior to elections is a relatively recent development but is mandated in law and public bodies like TfL are not allowed to do or announce anything that could be perceived as or actually is "influencing" the voters' intentions. TfL issues instructions to all of its staff about what they can do, say or write in this period. Further some staff in certain roles have additional restrictions placed on their behaviour. You may recall that the opening of the East London Line extension was stalled by the purdah period as there was an election due. Boris tried to ignore it but I think he was eventually persuaded he couldn't come along and cut a ribbon. Back on the buses the G1 idea is interesting but I'm amazed it's not a declared part of the tender award given it gets a better frequency and new buses shortly. I can't see a change being popular if it means the Shaftesbury Estate were to lose a frequent service. The 485 is half hourly M-S with no late evening service whereas the G1 is daily and reasonably frequent. Thanks for that information Snoggle. It shows how times change. Years ago there was always a period of purdah before the Budget, but now details are leaked regularly. It is interesting to learn that public bodies such as TfL have to put everything on hold in the run up to a General Election. I agree with your comments about linking the 485 and G1. It would probably be hard to justify an evening and Sunday service over the whole length of the 485 when budgets are being squeezed so tight.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 20, 2015 17:05:55 GMT
Thanks for that information Snoggle. It shows how times change. Years ago there was always a period of purdah before the Budget, but now details are leaked regularly. It is interesting to learn that public bodies such as TfL have to put everything on hold in the run up to a General Election. I agree with your comments about linking the 485 and G1. It would probably be hard to justify an evening and Sunday service over the whole length of the 485 when budgets are being squeezed so tight. Official info re purdah period - starts 30 March for the General Election when Parliament is dissolved. www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/briefing-papers/SN05262/election-purdah-or-the-preelection-period
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Post by vjaska on Mar 20, 2015 18:27:52 GMT
There is one way to allow the G1 to be converted to bigger single deckers but it involves cutting it slightly short of its terminus. The offending part of the G1 is the actual road it stands on - the road is a 'no through road' and the only way to access the stand is to perform a 3 point turn which the MPD's manage no problem. You could change the G1 stand to neighbouring Tyneham Road but this all depends on whether stand space along there can be found. The best thing to do with the 485 is extend it to Wandsworth, Southside to provide a link with the shopping centre & Sainsbury's. Providing a link from Putney Bridge Road to Clapham Junction could be done by diverting the 265 though I wouldn't go via Battersea Rise as you'll be sitting in traffic.
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Post by sw11simon on Mar 21, 2015 7:56:00 GMT
I would not be surprised if it was diverted to serve the Wandsworth Riverside development, as this was being spoken about years ago. There has been a lot of new developments there lately. I can remember meetings at Wandsworth Council when it was discussed years ago - an extension of route 87 was ruled out as too expensive and the 485 identified as the likely candidate. If it was the case how it would be achieved would be interesting to see. It could just loop around Northfields and Point Pleasant but without any other adjustments it wouldn't create any particularly good links to stations or anything.
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Post by misty on Mar 23, 2015 12:27:51 GMT
Local church in Fulham Palace Road is asking for local people to complain to TFL as they believe TFL are going to withdraw the 424 completely. If this would affect the 485 don't know
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Post by routew15 on Apr 29, 2015 18:31:38 GMT
485 Operation transferred to Merton garage. (290415)¶ 2 May 15 in conjunction with G1 Contract retained by London General with 13 new 8.9m E20D/Enviro200 flywheel single deckers) from Plough Lane garage. Monday to Saturday daytime service increased to every 15 minutes, Sunday daytime service to every 20 minutes and Sunday early morning service to every 30 minutes. Earlier journeys added in both directions on Sundays. (290415)¶ 2 May 15 Source: londonbusroutes.net
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Post by routew15 on Apr 29, 2015 18:43:54 GMT
485 Operation transferred to Merton garage. (290415)¶ 2 May 15 in conjunction with G1 Contract retained by London General with 13 new 8.9m E20D/Enviro200 flywheel single deckers) from Plough Lane garage. Monday to Saturday daytime service increased to every 15 minutes, Sunday daytime service to every 20 minutes and Sunday early morning service to every 30 minutes. Earlier journeys added in both directions on Sundays. (290415)¶ 2 May 15 Source: londonbusroutes.netI wonder why the 485 wasn't moved to AF instead considering it is near to both ends of the route. Not sure. Maybe there's no room. I know the 485 only has a PVR of 3 but that space could be used for PVR increases on the trunk routes like the 14, 22 & 74.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 29, 2015 19:02:49 GMT
485 Operation transferred to Merton garage. (290415)¶ 2 May 15 in conjunction with G1 Contract retained by London General with 13 new 8.9m E20D/Enviro200 flywheel single deckers) from Plough Lane garage. Monday to Saturday daytime service increased to every 15 minutes, Sunday daytime service to every 20 minutes and Sunday early morning service to every 30 minutes. Earlier journeys added in both directions on Sundays. (290415)¶ 2 May 15 Source: londonbusroutes.netI wonder why the 485 wasn't moved to AF instead considering it is near to both ends of the route. AF already have quite a lot on their plate. Moving the 493 to AL is also an option, but the 493 probably affects less drivers.
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Post by eggmiester on May 2, 2015 16:13:34 GMT
I wonder why the 485 wasn't moved to AF instead considering it is near to both ends of the route. AF already have quite a lot on their plate. Moving the 493 to AL is also an option, but the 493 probably affects less drivers. AF is above capacity anyway
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