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Post by vjaska on Feb 6, 2015 13:12:42 GMT
Well of course that last paragraph applies to a lot of jobs which are paying comparitively less than they were a few years ago and cheap labour from abroad is a fact of life in many industries nowadays. Your right, it is happening in alot of industries, and it's not right. We as consumers must bear some of the resposibilty, we want goods and services at a cheaper price. An example; We can buy 4 pints of milk for £1 in iceland, which, imo, is very cheap, I would much rather pay £1.50 if it meant the milk farmers got a decent price for their milk. 4 pints of milk in Iceland is 89p Source: I work for Iceland
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 6, 2015 13:51:37 GMT
Well of course that last paragraph applies to a lot of jobs which are paying comparitively less than they were a few years ago and cheap labour from abroad is a fact of life in many industries nowadays. Your right, it is happening in alot of industries, and it's not right. We as consumers must bear some of the resposibilty, we want goods and services at a cheaper price. An example; We can buy 4 pints of milk for £1 in iceland, which, imo, is very cheap, I would much rather pay £1.50 if it meant the milk farmers got a decent price for their milk. "An example; We can buy 4 pints of milk for £1 in iceland, which, imo, is very cheap, I would much rather pay £1.50 if it meant the milk farmers got a decent price for their milk."Regarding this comment it is quite true. But if you buy it for £1.50 the profits go to whoever you buy it from. If you actually buy it from the Farmer then he gets the profit. The Primary Sector who workers who produce all these things for consumers are selling for absolute poo money to Retail Organisations as they really have little choice as they are all competitors, and billions of profits is made from it making billions with the person at the top looking down at everyone doing the work and laughing. Profit is good if your going to expand your business to create more work and pay people more money, but Greed is wrong, if your workers are being paid poor wages or crap money which is difficult to live off then I think that is rubbish and most organisations are doing that now, IMO the minimum wage should be no less than £8.00, Organisations like Tesco and Sainsbury's who sell all consumer goods are making money off other peoples misery and paying workers small money and keeping the profits to themselves. The Ultimate Difference between a Business and a Human is we actually need money to Live and survice, a Business Does not. All Organisations today are becoming Greedy in all Sectors and jobs, which is quite sad tbh, in some train stations you can't even pee for free in the loos which is d*mn pathetic some things don't need to paid for Imo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 23:25:22 GMT
Fares go up every year. Operators profits go up every year. New drivers money goes down every year. How on earth is that fair? I wished someone from UNITE would get on the telly and say this!! UNITE really need to put across this fact to the public. Maybe a full page advert in the metro and evening standard explaining this and that drivers get the same rate at 10am and at 10pm, and drivers at some companies get an extra 40 pence per hour for working on their days off. TFL and the operators keep going on about experienced drivers deserve more, so why doesnt UNITE ask john trayner of gal why, if a driver with 10yrs experience joins gal, that driver will be on the lowest rate? UNITE's media policy has been very sadly lacking, imo. When I speak to passengers about the strike, so far 100% have agreed why drivers are on strike. UNITE are one of the reasons why new drivers are on the terms and conditions they are on.
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Post by rambo on Feb 8, 2015 0:00:22 GMT
I wished someone from UNITE would get on the telly and say this!! UNITE really need to put across this fact to the public. Maybe a full page advert in the metro and evening standard explaining this and that drivers get the same rate at 10am and at 10pm, and drivers at some companies get an extra 40 pence per hour for working on their days off. TFL and the operators keep going on about experienced drivers deserve more, so why doesnt UNITE ask john trayner of gal why, if a driver with 10yrs experience joins gal, that driver will be on the lowest rate? UNITE's media policy has been very sadly lacking, imo. When I speak to passengers about the strike, so far 100% have agreed why drivers are on strike. UNITE are one of the reasons why new drivers are on the terms and conditions they are on. Disagree, a union is only as strong as its members, and sadly bus drivers are a nightmare for sticking together.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 0:49:48 GMT
UNITE are one of the reasons why new drivers are on the terms and conditions they are on. Disagree, a union is only as strong as its members, and sadly bus drivers are a nightmare for sticking together. UNITE agreed to all these terms and conditions being imposed on the new drivers now as they would have been consulted before the company brought them in
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Post by jrussa on Feb 8, 2015 1:08:24 GMT
I would like to thank Go-Ahead London (Blue Triangle) for having a normal service on Route 362. Very much appreciated!
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Post by Steve80 on Feb 8, 2015 4:55:18 GMT
I forgot about this thread. I did strike last Thursday also but I was surprised at the amount of drivers turning up for work. Despite so many drivers at my garage striking at the strike in January, many of them did turn up for work at the strike on Thursday but I spoke to at least 3 drivers so far who did work last Thursday and said they will not work the next strike day due to the problems with passengers. One driver said he was one of two drivers on the 322 in the evening and he got to the Gipsy Hill Estate and had one passenger fuming with him saying he waited almost an hour for his bus. Although the passengers on board were immediately defending the driver against the angry passenger, it affected the driver to the point that he already made the decision not to come in at the next strike. The other drivers I spoke to said they had problems but didn't elaborate further.
Having look over the posts in this thread, I like to point out that reports were that over 50 percent of buses did not run in the strike last Thursday compared to 30 percent of buses out on the road on the strike in January. Some routes did not even run throughout the day such as the 155, 197, 200, 432, 468, etc.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 8, 2015 10:18:22 GMT
The 200 was a bit unusual as it did run on the first strike but not the second.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Feb 8, 2015 13:41:49 GMT
And this is why I'd never cross the picket (unless a significant portion of my colleagues did and I didn't agree with the strike ) and have absolutely no sympathy for these 'heros' that do. His own fault for taking a bus out. You get no help from tfl or your company if you do take one out. I don't know the pvr of the route but how can you have 2 buses out on the road it's an absolute joke and not safe. Also tfl could help how difficult would it be to have say a pcso or revenue on board the busiest routes but no they stand at terminus' s and then as soon as you leave you are screwed. Oh and unite have been in bed with the companies for years for example at Stagecoach after years of no pay talks they recommended yes to the first offer on the table bunch of clowns luckily the members voted no and we got an improved offer and stuff like that's how these crappy rates got it if they were actually a bit more like RMT we wouldn't been in this situation, all they're worried about is their weekly dues.
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Post by sid on Feb 8, 2015 14:20:54 GMT
And this is why I'd never cross the picket (unless a significant portion of my colleagues did and I didn't agree with the strike ) and have absolutely no sympathy for these 'heros' that do. His own fault for taking a bus out. You get no help from tfl or your company if you do take one out. I don't know the pvr of the route but how can you have 2 buses out on the road it's an absolute joke and not safe. Also tfl could help how difficult would it be to have say a pcso or revenue on board the busiest routes but no they stand at terminus' s and then as soon as you leave you are screwed. Oh and unite have been in bed with the companies for years for example at Stagecoach after years of no pay talks they recommended yes to the first offer on the table bunch of clowns luckily the members voted no and we got an improved offer and stuff like that's how these crappy rates got it if they were actually a bit more like RMT we wouldn't been in this situation, all they're worried about is their weekly dues. So you're criticising unite but you're also criticising those who ignore the strike? A lot of drivers were thanked by passengers for their efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 15:00:09 GMT
I forgot about this thread. I did strike last Thursday also but I was surprised at the amount of drivers turning up for work. Despite so many drivers at my garage striking at the strike in January, many of them did turn up for work at the strike on Thursday but I spoke to at least 3 drivers so far who did work last Thursday and said they will not work the next strike day due to the problems with passengers. One driver said he was one of two drivers on the 322 in the evening and he got to the Gipsy Hill Estate and had one passenger fuming with him saying he waited almost an hour for his bus. Although the passengers on board were immediately defending the driver against the angry passenger, it affected the driver to the point that he already made the decision not to come in at the next strike. The other drivers I spoke to said they had problems but didn't elaborate further. Having look over the posts in this thread, I like to point out that reports were that over 50 percent of buses did not run in the strike last Thursday compared to 30 percent of buses out on the road on the strike in January. Some routes did not even run throughout the day such as the 155, 197, 200, 432, 468, etc. I was on strike last week in my area alot of routes were affected 144 191 192 231 329 349 491 weren't running at all, there were minimal service on 34 125 149 217 341 476 w3 and w8 were running at about every 20 minutes or sometimes more then half and hour gaps, I also saw alot of people walking instead of waiting for 20 minutes or so for the bus, I believe it effected more then 50% of service but they will never admit it, I am striking the next 2 days of strike's as well, something needs to be done, Tfl and bus companies attitude stinks they are treating us like a dirt, we need stick together for the better,
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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2015 15:25:21 GMT
I forgot about this thread. I did strike last Thursday also but I was surprised at the amount of drivers turning up for work. Despite so many drivers at my garage striking at the strike in January, many of them did turn up for work at the strike on Thursday but I spoke to at least 3 drivers so far who did work last Thursday and said they will not work the next strike day due to the problems with passengers. One driver said he was one of two drivers on the 322 in the evening and he got to the Gipsy Hill Estate and had one passenger fuming with him saying he waited almost an hour for his bus. Although the passengers on board were immediately defending the driver against the angry passenger, it affected the driver to the point that he already made the decision not to come in at the next strike. The other drivers I spoke to said they had problems but didn't elaborate further. Having look over the posts in this thread, I like to point out that reports were that over 50 percent of buses did not run in the strike last Thursday compared to 30 percent of buses out on the road on the strike in January. Some routes did not even run throughout the day such as the 155, 197, 200, 432, 468, etc. I was on strike last week in my area alot of routes were affected 144 191 192 231 329 349 491 weren't running at all, there were minimal service on 34 125 149 217 341 476 w3 and w8 were running at about every 20 minutes or sometimes more then half and hour gaps, I also saw alot of people walking instead of waiting for 20 minutes or so for the bus, I believe it effected more then 50% of service but they will never admit it, I am striking the next 2 days of strike's as well, something needs to be done, Tfl and bus companies attitude stinks they are treating us like a dirt, we need stick together for the better, If you came to my area, you'd of seen the buses running nearly as good as they usually do - there were more routes running this time in Brixton than last so on this occasion, I do believe TfL figures of more than 50% of services was correct. I'm not one who usually jumps to the aid of TfL figures so this sparks a rare occasion.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 8, 2015 16:17:31 GMT
A lot of drivers were thanked by passengers for their efforts. As I did to the thoroughly pleasant driver on route 422 on strike day. Unfortunately, it takes just one unpleasant person to undo all the actions of several pleasant people. As such, it may take just a few idiots to convince non-strikers that it isn't worth working on strike days. Quite important, as it looks like this strike action will continue, and, I fear, eventually escalate.
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 8, 2015 16:29:09 GMT
A lot of drivers were thanked by passengers for their efforts. .. Unfortunately, it takes just one unpleasant person to undo all the actions of several pleasant people. As such, it may take just a few idiots to convince non-strikers that it isn't worth working on strike days. Quite important, as it looks like this strike action will continue, and, I fear, eventually escalate. I think it will spread if it hasn't done so already, it's like Unite want to make a name for themselves in the way the RMT did / does on the Tube... I had to go to Bolton for work on Thursday (avoiding the London strike), whilst up in Manchester, local news mentioned Unite bringing the tram network to a standstill in a row over pay (run by RATP, ironically the better paying operators in London )... this issue of making all operators pay the same cannot and will not be resolved
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Post by smoothcriminal on Feb 8, 2015 17:01:57 GMT
And this is why I'd never cross the picket (unless a significant portion of my colleagues did and I didn't agree with the strike ) and have absolutely no sympathy for these 'heros' that do. His own fault for taking a bus out. You get no help from tfl or your company if you do take one out. I don't know the pvr of the route but how can you have 2 buses out on the road it's an absolute joke and not safe. Also tfl could help how difficult would it be to have say a pcso or revenue on board the busiest routes but no they stand at terminus' s and then as soon as you leave you are screwed. Oh and unite have been in bed with the companies for years for example at Stagecoach after years of no pay talks they recommended yes to the first offer on the table bunch of clowns luckily the members voted no and we got an improved offer and stuff like that's how these crappy rates got it if they were actually a bit more like RMT we wouldn't been in this situation, all they're worried about is their weekly dues. So you're criticising unite but you're also criticising those who ignore the strike? A lot of drivers were thanked by passengers for their efforts. Oh yes indeed I am. The only reason I'm a part of Unite is for the local level and it's always better to part of a union than not. This action by Unite is a synical attempt at making this union matter again I don't think they're bothered about the little men. Where were they when these contracts were being negotiated I tell you where in the companies pockets all pally pally with management recommending them to the members that's where.
The reason I'm supporting this action is because Unite have finally done something to enable me to say with my feet 'enough is enough' we are not mugs the drive to the bottom has to stop.
It's all well and good saying go get another job or drivers signed up to these contracts but for the ones doing it for years it's hard to find a new job as your brain dies driving a bus and how can someone go from say £14ph to £9.50ph just for being a new driver to that company even if they have 20 30 or 40 years experience.
And the reason I criticise drivers who cross the picket is because 1 they under mind the action as a whole and 2 because before the strike it's always the endless bleetings of 'well the union isnt going to pay my mortgage' and then when they find out what it's like taking a bus out on strike day many of them end up moaning and expecting sympathy
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