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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 11:26:32 GMT
Even if half of the routes don't run the tfl and bus companies will still lose millions so its definitely worth it, in my area their is hardly anything running, Sooooo....if the strikes continue, and the companies and TfL continue to lose money, and it gets to the point that cuts have to be made and drivers are laid off, or indeed maybe some companies go under (snoggle's hunch about Tower Transit seems most plausible), would you consider that to be a good price to pay if you end up getting what you want? (I love being a devil's advocate  ) instead of them losing money why don't they sit around the table and sort this out once and for all, for the better and benefit of all, instead you hear some silly statements from tfl and bus companies, It come to the stage where something needs to be done its not just about pay, its about treating your employees with dignity and respect they deserve, by the way nothing is wrong with tower transit the owners are clever they don't want strikes to go on and on they want this problems solved unlike tfl who keep saying it is got nothing to with them arrogant I say  |
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Post by Nathan on Feb 5, 2015 11:34:31 GMT
Hehe. I'm just waiting for the day when these strikes will eventually become ineffective and pointless. At some point people are going to get used to these strikes happening if they keep going on. Eventually drivers won't be able to afford not going to work and will have no choice but to drive their routes. Even if half of the routes don't run the tfl and bus companies will still lose millions so its definitely worth it, in my area their is hardly anything running, Hmm...I don't know about that. I'm looking at Penrhyn Road, Kingston right now, it it's actually not as bad as I thought it would be. There's still quite a number of buses driving up and down the road. Is the strike really effective this time round? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 5, 2015 11:36:20 GMT
Sooooo....if the strikes continue, and the companies and TfL continue to lose money, and it gets to the point that cuts have to be made and drivers are laid off, or indeed maybe some companies go under (snoggle's hunch about Tower Transit seems most plausible), would you consider that to be a good price to pay if you end up getting what you want? (I love being a devil's advocate ) instead of them losing money why don't they sit around the table and sort this out once and for all, for the better and benefit of all, instead you hear some silly statements from tfl and bus companies, It come to the stage where something needs to be done its not just about pay, its about treating your employees with dignity and respect they deserve, by the way nothing is wrong with tower transit the owners are clever they don't want strikes to go on and on they want this problems solved unlike tfl who keep saying it is got nothing to with them arrogant I say What Unite want is for the bus companies to roll over and give them exactly what they want with no negotiation. Not going to happen. Unless Unite offer to at least have some leeway in their stance (perhaps by initially meeting companies individually), then we are unlikely to get anywhere. (btw, though I am against these current strikes, if you wish to strike, ryan and others, you clearly feel strongly, so who am I to say you're wrong, it's your choice, just as it is others choice to not strike. A bit of respect all round would work wonders.) |
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2015 11:58:28 GMT
Sooooo....if the strikes continue, and the companies and TfL continue to lose money, and it gets to the point that cuts have to be made and drivers are laid off, or indeed maybe some companies go under (snoggle's hunch about Tower Transit seems most plausible), would you consider that to be a good price to pay if you end up getting what you want? (I love being a devil's advocate ) instead of them losing money why don't they sit around the table and sort this out once and for all, for the better and benefit of all, instead you hear some silly statements from tfl and bus companies, It come to the stage where something needs to be done its not just about pay, its about treating your employees with dignity and respect they deserve, by the way nothing is wrong with tower transit the owners are clever they don't want strikes to go on and on they want this problems solved unlike tfl who keep saying it is got nothing to with them arrogant I say So what are TfL supposed to be doing? They cannot tell their contractors how much to pay their staff. Seems to me that the arrogance is coming from the Unite union |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Feb 5, 2015 11:59:32 GMT
176, 197 zilch.
185's appear to be turning at East Dulwich Goose Green providing a very limited service between ED and Lewisham on the whole. (Controllers may have learned from last time round?)
P13 - Reduced service (none last time round)
P4 - Reduced service
363 - Near normal service
12 - Reduced service.
40 - Reduced service, appears to be worse than last time round, but LVF shows some turns at Camberwell Green.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 12:12:15 GMT
I don't agree with driver,s been abusive to the fellow colleague because he or she didn't strike but when we drivers get a pay rise out of this, then the drivers who did not strike should not get a pay rise because they seem to be happy with their pay and t&c, before anyone saying that the driver,s who worked because of their financial situation believe me we are all the same more or less, I totally agree with you. It's the same in my place. We strikers are the ones who stand up and are counted and if we win everyone benefits including the people who come in and work harder that day than they've ever worked. That's what happened in the civil service 12 years ago we went out over scrapping sick pay and won. The people who broke the strike had terrible sick records, came in worked harder than they ever have, ended up benefiting from our victory. The week after one went sick because they had run out of annual leave!!! |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Feb 5, 2015 12:12:47 GMT
What's the deal with ca's on routes say like the 9/10 where not much is running? All the LTs on the 9 that I saw running were in OPO. So what are the CA's doing today? I assume that they are not involved in the strike? Bonus day off?! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 13:29:03 GMT
So what are TfL supposed to be doing? They cannot tell their contractors how much to pay their staff. Seems to me that the arrogance is coming from the Unite union tfl allocates drivers wages to the bus companies, I didn't get your point what is arrogant about unite, tfl not just arrogant but bully and selfish as well |
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Post by cc2005 on Feb 5, 2015 13:31:02 GMT
521 was running with a couple of non-red buses today An Ensignbus E200 in standard blue/grey An Ensignbus Optare Versa in orange livery! Both had fully working orange LED blinds  |
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2015 13:46:43 GMT
So what are TfL supposed to be doing? They cannot tell their contractors how much to pay their staff. Seems to me that the arrogance is coming from the Unite union tfl allocates drivers wages to the bus companies, I didn't get your point what is arrogant about unite, tfl not just arrogant but bully and selfish as well This has nothing to do with TfL and there is nothing they can do to resolve it. I heard a Unite spokesman on the BBC lunchtime news saying that drivers across London all collect the same fares, does he really not know buses are all cashless now? |
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Post by jay on Feb 5, 2015 13:52:22 GMT
So what are TfL supposed to be doing? They cannot tell their contractors how much to pay their staff. Seems to me that the arrogance is coming from the Unite union There's a big red book of things TFL tell their contractors to do and much much more. If they can make it part of a tender that you have to have new buses why not that you have to pay your drivers at least £X per hour? |
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2015 13:54:08 GMT
So what are TfL supposed to be doing? They cannot tell their contractors how much to pay their staff. Seems to me that the arrogance is coming from the Unite union There's a big red book of things TFL tell their contractors to do and much much more. If they can make it part of a tender that you have to have new buses why not that you have to pay your drivers at least £X per hour? That is totally different, it just outlines the contractual requirements |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 13:57:48 GMT
tfl allocates drivers wages to the bus companies, I didn't get your point what is arrogant about unite, tfl not just arrogant but bully and selfish as well This has nothing to do with TfL and there is nothing they can do to resolve it. I heard a Unite spokesman on the BBC lunchtime news saying that drivers across London all collect the same fares, does he really not know buses are all cashless now? he means all passengers pay same fares you should know that, |
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2015 14:17:03 GMT
This has nothing to do with TfL and there is nothing they can do to resolve it. I heard a Unite spokesman on the BBC lunchtime news saying that drivers across London all collect the same fares, does he really not know buses are all cashless now? he means all passengers pay same fares you should know that, What would passengers paying the same fares have to do with the dispute? If you heard it he clearly said that all drivers collect the same fares. |
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Post by T.R. on Feb 5, 2015 14:24:17 GMT
All the LTs on the 9 that I saw running were in OPO. So what are the CA's doing today? I assume that they are not involved in the strike? Bonus day off?! (In the case of the 38 at least) We show up to work. If there's no bus to crew, we hang around for the duration of our shift. |
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