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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 19:55:48 GMT
Bus stop in Hammersmith, opposite King's Mall. No railings or any other obstruction in the vicinity.
Bus 27 taking on a heavy load at the stop. 266 approaches and draws up behind. More than a dozen people go and stand by the doors expecting them to open. Driver flatly refuses to open the doors. Instead he waits a full minute for the 27 to pull away before he draws up to the stop and finally opens his doors.
However, if passengers do not walk to the second bus, some drivers will assume nobody wishes to board and begin pulling away.
I just wondered what the rule book says.
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Post by jay on Apr 29, 2015 8:18:44 GMT
revenue can book you for not being within the yellow bus stop lines.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 30, 2015 15:06:43 GMT
Bus stop in Hammersmith, opposite King's Mall. No railings or any other obstruction in the vicinity. Bus 27 taking on a heavy load at the stop. 266 approaches and draws up behind. More than a dozen people go and stand by the doors expecting them to open. Driver flatly refuses to open the doors. Instead he waits a full minute for the 27 to pull away before he draws up to the stop and finally opens his doors. However, if passengers do not walk to the second bus, some drivers will assume nobody wishes to board and begin pulling away. I just wondered what the rule book says. In Edinburgh Lothian buses queue at stops and move up to let passengers on at stops. Personally, I would never call someone difficult for doing what they are supposed to be doing |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 30, 2015 15:18:52 GMT
Bus stop in Hammersmith, opposite King's Mall. No railings or any other obstruction in the vicinity. Bus 27 taking on a heavy load at the stop. 266 approaches and draws up behind. More than a dozen people go and stand by the doors expecting them to open. Driver flatly refuses to open the doors. Instead he waits a full minute for the 27 to pull away before he draws up to the stop and finally opens his doors. However, if passengers do not walk to the second bus, some drivers will assume nobody wishes to board and begin pulling away. I just wondered what the rule book says. In Edinburgh Lothian buses queue at stops and move up to let passengers on at stops. Personally, I would never call someone difficult for doing what they are supposed to be doing Depends though as if he is parked up behind the bus and is at the stop, then I'd expect him to open the doors unless it's a drive changeover or he is terminating. If drivers did this in Brixton, you'd end up with thousands of passengers running for your bus because as people who use the buses in Brixton, passengers spawn from nowhere like your playing an online shooting game and that's why drivers just open their doors regardless and then keep the finger hovering over that button so once the last person is on, doors are shut and its goodbye to any running passengers. I do think some drivers go over the top with the 'can't open my doors' rule a bit - a driver on the 300 wouldn't open his door to a lady despite still being in the bus stop bay and her knocking three times on the door. The gap between the kerb and door couldn't even fit a bicycle through. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 30, 2015 16:03:40 GMT
In Edinburgh Lothian buses queue at stops and move up to let passengers on at stops. Personally, I would never call someone difficult for doing what they are supposed to be doing Depends though as if he is parked up behind the bus and is at the stop, then I'd expect him to open the doors unless it's a drive changeover or he is terminating. If drivers did this in Brixton, you'd end up with thousands of passengers running for your bus because as people who use the buses in Brixton, passengers spawn from nowhere like your playing an online shooting game and that's why drivers just open their doors regardless and then keep the finger hovering over that button so once the last person is on, doors are shut and its goodbye to any running passengers. I do think some drivers go over the top with the 'can't open my doors' rule a bit - a driver on the 300 wouldn't open his door to a lady despite still being in the bus stop bay and her knocking three times on the door. The gap between the kerb and door couldn't even fit a bicycle through. This is what happens at Ilford with the ELT, passengers keep on coming out of nowhere. BE drivers seem to be the worst at it, even when not on the ELT. The 368 gets quite a few runners on the route but the bus just waits like it's going to let them on then drives off. Yesterday my 368 was running early and we were regulating. Three runners approached the bus and the driver just drove off. He continued to regulate at the next stop. I have seen it happen on the 362 very often as well not to mention the 364 and 462. |
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 30, 2015 16:29:45 GMT
Depends though as if he is parked up behind the bus and is at the stop, then I'd expect him to open the doors unless it's a drive changeover or he is terminating. If drivers did this in Brixton, you'd end up with thousands of passengers running for your bus because as people who use the buses in Brixton, passengers spawn from nowhere like your playing an online shooting game and that's why drivers just open their doors regardless and then keep the finger hovering over that button so once the last person is on, doors are shut and its goodbye to any running passengers. I do think some drivers go over the top with the 'can't open my doors' rule a bit - a driver on the 300 wouldn't open his door to a lady despite still being in the bus stop bay and her knocking three times on the door. The gap between the kerb and door couldn't even fit a bicycle through. This is what happens at Ilford with the ELT, passengers keep on coming out of nowhere. BE drivers seem to be the worst at it, even when not on the ELT. The 368 gets quite a few runners on the route but the bus just waits like it's going to let them on then drives off. Yesterday my 368 was running early and we were regulating. Three runners approached the bus and the driver just drove off. He continued to regulate at the next stop. I have seen it happen on the 362 very often as well not to mention the 364 and 462. Buses don't wait for runners, people wait for buses, but in that situation, whoever was driving could have at least waited and let them on, just wonder how some find it fun to make people miss their buses if they see them running, or maybe BE run routes around dodgy places? Down South London we don't get many drivers doing that if they see people running, but with most drivers once the door is closed any the bus has pulled away from the bus stop, the doors do not open again if someone knocks on the window, I do not blame them because the bus is not in a safe parked place. Anyways with frequent services there always another bus on the way, no point people getting worked up missing a High Frequency bus. Like if anyone bothered to get peeed off with a 25 driver for pulling off, may as well slap themselves in the face as there is a 25 every 4 Mins! |
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Post by smoothcriminal on Apr 30, 2015 17:02:21 GMT
In Edinburgh Lothian buses queue at stops and move up to let passengers on at stops. Personally, I would never call someone difficult for doing what they are supposed to be doing Depends though as if he is parked up behind the bus and is at the stop, then I'd expect him to open the doors unless it's a drive changeover or he is terminating. If drivers did this in Brixton, you'd end up with thousands of passengers running for your bus because as people who use the buses in Brixton, passengers spawn from nowhere like your playing an online shooting game and that's why drivers just open their doors regardless and then keep the finger hovering over that button so once the last person is on, doors are shut and its goodbye to any running passengers. I do think some drivers go over the top with the 'can't open my doors' rule a bit - a driver on the 300 wouldn't open his door to a lady despite still being in the bus stop bay and her knocking three times on the door. The gap between the kerb and door couldn't even fit a bicycle through. Yeah probably because he was waiting to pull out and if he opens his doors she'll get on and probably mess about looking for her oyster in her bag standing on the platform and then he will miss a gap and have to wait even longer then some other one will arrive and expect to get on and then the driver will get abuse for not letting them on. Waiting for runners just delays the service for everyone else and it really gets my goat on high frequency routes. Only time you'll see me waiting for runners is on low frequency or if it's late at night. I saw some dopy mare standing infront of a 25 (it was all the way up to the 262/473 bus stop at Stratford) crying and banging on the windscreen because apparently the driver drove off when she was running. Now in that time 5 25's and 2 86's had gone past. How foolish. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 30, 2015 17:19:53 GMT
Depends though as if he is parked up behind the bus and is at the stop, then I'd expect him to open the doors unless it's a drive changeover or he is terminating. If drivers did this in Brixton, you'd end up with thousands of passengers running for your bus because as people who use the buses in Brixton, passengers spawn from nowhere like your playing an online shooting game and that's why drivers just open their doors regardless and then keep the finger hovering over that button so once the last person is on, doors are shut and its goodbye to any running passengers. I do think some drivers go over the top with the 'can't open my doors' rule a bit - a driver on the 300 wouldn't open his door to a lady despite still being in the bus stop bay and her knocking three times on the door. The gap between the kerb and door couldn't even fit a bicycle through. Yeah probably because he was waiting to pull out and if he opens his doors she'll get on and probably mess about looking for her oyster in her bag standing on the platform and then he will miss a gap and have to wait even longer then some other one will arrive and expect to get on and then the driver will get abuse for not letting them on. Waiting for runners just delays the service for everyone else and it really gets my goat on high frequency routes. Only time you'll see me waiting for runners is on low frequency or if it's late at night. I saw some dopy mare standing infront of a 25 (it was all the way up to the 262/473 bus stop at Stratford) crying and banging on the windscreen because apparently the driver drove off when she was running. Now in that time 5 25's and 2 86's had gone past. How foolish. Nope, he was stuck in traffic so there was no gap to pull into and the lights were still red. As for the passenger fiddling about with an oyster, most drivers I've seen just carry on driving whilst that passenger is fiddling about in their bag for their oyster. |
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Post by Steve80 on May 1, 2015 3:30:38 GMT
Bus stop in Hammersmith, opposite King's Mall. No railings or any other obstruction in the vicinity. Bus 27 taking on a heavy load at the stop. 266 approaches and draws up behind. More than a dozen people go and stand by the doors expecting them to open. Driver flatly refuses to open the doors. Instead he waits a full minute for the 27 to pull away before he draws up to the stop and finally opens his doors. However, if passengers do not walk to the second bus, some drivers will assume nobody wishes to board and begin pulling away. I just wondered what the rule book says. The rule book is vague. It says to stop at the bus stop markings and to move forward to pick up passengers if its a large stop for more than one bus. In my opinion, every situation is different. Had many incidents on the route 3 where three or four buses are in front of me at the stop and some passengers walk towards my bus. You know that if you open the doors then the rest will come and sometimes they would be a queue of passengers also walking to your bus as they just realised that you opened the front doors. You then wait for all of these passengers. Unfortunately, not all of these passengers are simply going to go in, scan their pass and sit down. Some of them will take an age to find their pass, others will ask questions and the rest are quite slow in coming towards your bus. Once you picked them al up, the three buses in front of you have already left and another two have come form behind and overtaken you and are now parked directly at the stop. You then go to overtake those two buses at the stop believing you have picked up all of the passengers but no you haven't as there are still two passengers at the stop. One is an elderly who can't walk very far and another is one who isn't paying much attention. So for me personally, it depends on where and how busy the stop is. If I'm on the route 3 and I'm behind two other buses in Piccadilly (heading towards Crystal Palace) then nine times out of ten, I will not open the doors unless I'm sure that the bus in front is picking up a lot of passengers or I know for certain that only a few are getting on my bus (such reasons like two 159s at the stop or another route 3). However, if I'm at the Piccadilly bus stop on the other side (heading towards Oxford Circus) and there are even five buses in front of me then I will open the doors if one passenger is waiting as I expect that no one is really waiting for my bus. As for the quoted incident above, I'm not sure why the driver decide to wait a full minute. I'm not too familiar with Hammersmith but I guess that the driver wants to make sure they don't leave any behind or maybe the driver really is being difficult! |
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