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Post by TB123 on Jun 23, 2020 12:41:22 GMT
I'll have to pay for those services if this happens
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 23, 2020 13:05:56 GMT
I'll have to pay for those services if this happens I’m sure there’s more important things to worry about!
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Post by TB123 on Jun 23, 2020 13:12:49 GMT
I'll have to pay for those services if this happens I’m sure there’s more important things to worry about! It was a tongue in cheek comment! I never use those services so it doesn't affect me at all.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 23, 2020 22:06:56 GMT
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Post by richard on Jun 23, 2020 23:04:02 GMT
I'd suspect that the 717s would be cascaded to somewhere else and TFL ordering their own units. That's what they did with the 313s when they was on the NLL those went to Great Northern.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 23, 2020 23:46:22 GMT
I'd suspect that the 717s would be cascaded to somewhere else and TFL ordering their own units. That's what they did with the 313s when they was on the NLL those went to Great Northern. Well the 313's were 30 years old at the time so would have been replaced regardless and the majority of them went to Southern actually, three units went to GN and one went to Network Rail as an ETCS test train. As the 717's are still relatively new units it's highly unlikely TfL will replace them and they will take on the Class 717's instead if Great Northern's metro services went under TfL's control. Moving these services to TfL control seems sensible as there's not really much point of the Great Northern franchise. The vast majority of their work has become part of the Thameslink network, Since the May 2018 timetable change, all they really operate are services to Cambridge/Kings Lynn via Welwyn GC, peak services from Kings Cross to Peterborough and services out of Moorgate. If the Moorgate branch became part of the London Overground network, I wouldn't be surprised if the Cambridge/Kings Lynn services are either operated under the Thameslink umbrella or if these services and stock were transferred to LNER or Greater Anglia once GTR's current franchise expires. I do feel as if they will gain an extension though, performance has really improved since 2018
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Post by TA1 on Jun 24, 2020 0:26:52 GMT
I'd suspect that the 717s would be cascaded to somewhere else and TFL ordering their own units. That's what they did with the 313s when they was on the NLL those went to Great Northern. Well the 313's were 30 years old at the time so would have been replaced regardless and the majority of them went to Southern actually, three units went to GN and one went to Network Rail as an ETCS test train. As the 717's are still relatively new units it's highly unlikely TfL will replace them and they will take on the Class 717's instead if Great Northern's metro services went under TfL's control. Moving these services to TfL control seems sensible as there's not really much point of the Great Northern franchise. The vast majority of their work has become part of the Thameslink network, Since the May 2018 timetable change, all they really operate are services to Cambridge/Kings Lynn via Welwyn GC, peak services from Kings Cross to Peterborough and services out of Moorgate. If the Moorgate branch became part of the London Overground network, I wouldn't be surprised if the Cambridge/Kings Lynn services are either operated under the Thameslink umbrella or if these services and stock were transferred to LNER or Greater Anglia once GTR's current franchise expires. I do feel as if they will gain an extension though, performance has really improved since 2018 The 313’s were 40. On an employment level hope that TFL don’t take GN Inners over. Regardless of who operates the inner suburban not much can be changed or improved then currently. You can’t run more trains down the NCL until ETCS is introduced down the NCL. You can run more trains to Welwyn as the slows are packed Can’t run more trains to stevenage or Hertford Most you can do is fulfil the franchise commitment of running a turn up and go service on the weekends and staff many of the unmanned stations but that requires money, which is coming from where? People assume that a lick of orange paint will do wonders. There’s so much to consider, be interesting to see. I’d probably move toc’s if it goes ahead
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Post by route53 on Jul 30, 2020 18:52:48 GMT
A lot of talk of the Moorgate lines being taken over by TfL lately, where will this leave the Kings Cross to Kings Lynn service? With GTR or LNER
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Post by 700101 on Jul 30, 2020 19:46:38 GMT
A lot of talk of the Moorgate lines being taken over by TfL lately, where will this leave the Kings Cross to Kings Lynn service? With GTR or LNER It’s either GTR and run under TL along with the other GN peak services to Peterborough/Baldock which would make more sense and easier for crew purposes or LNER. I’m more in favour of the GN Kings Cross services staying with GTR under TL. Also what improvements can be even be made to the GN Inners to Moorgate the only other improvements would be the ETCS signalling which is already in the pipe line The only other GTR services which could transfer over to LO would be the Sutton loop services and be capped to Blackfriars to avoid conflicting moves between Elephant - Blackfriars and maybe a increase of 4tph on each route (which was originally proposed) with Orpington/Sevenoaks to St Albans but some retimings would need to be made to those services
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 5, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
Engineering work takes place tomorrow between Purley and Caterham but something interesting I’ve learned is that we no longer deploy Rail Replacement buses between Purley and Caterham...instead ticket acceptance is now arranged for passengers to use the 407. Makes sense since the route serves all stations between Purley and Caterham anyway and is now double deck. Will miss seeing different double deckers passing through however
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Post by ctrh136 on Sept 10, 2020 9:39:46 GMT
Engineering work takes place tomorrow between Purley and Caterham but something interesting I’ve learned is that we no longer deploy Rail Replacement buses between Purley and Caterham...instead ticket acceptance is now arranged for passengers to use the 407. Makes sense since the route serves all stations between Purley and Caterham anyway and is now double deck. Will miss seeing different double deckers passing through however They now do a similar thing with Riddlesdown where that is no longer served by replacement buses but tickets are accepted on routes 403 & 412 instead.
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Post by 700101 on Sept 10, 2020 22:04:17 GMT
Engineering work takes place tomorrow between Purley and Caterham but something interesting I’ve learned is that we no longer deploy Rail Replacement buses between Purley and Caterham...instead ticket acceptance is now arranged for passengers to use the 407. Makes sense since the route serves all stations between Purley and Caterham anyway and is now double deck. Will miss seeing different double deckers passing through however They now do a similar thing with Riddlesdown where that is no longer served by replacement buses but tickets are accepted on routes 403 & 412 instead. Since passenger numbers are down and a lot of replacement buses carrying fresh air these days since alternative makes perfect sense so resources can deployed elsewhere. Another route which has no replacement buses is the Wimbledon loop which only has ticket acceptance on SWR/Tramlink & local buses
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Post by galwhv69 on Sept 11, 2020 18:42:12 GMT
They now do a similar thing with Riddlesdown where that is no longer served by replacement buses but tickets are accepted on routes 403 & 412 instead. Since passenger numbers are down and a lot of replacement buses carrying fresh air these days since alternative makes perfect sense so resources can deployed elsewhere. Another route which has no replacement buses is the Wimbledon loop which only has ticket acceptance on SWR/Tramlink & local buses Unsure if it was a trial or something but there was an occasion when Bear Buses provided a RRS during a weekend closure
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 11, 2020 19:18:26 GMT
Since passenger numbers are down and a lot of replacement buses carrying fresh air these days since alternative makes perfect sense so resources can deployed elsewhere. Another route which has no replacement buses is the Wimbledon loop which only has ticket acceptance on SWR/Tramlink & local buses Unsure if it was a trial or something but there was an occasion when Bear Buses provided a RRS during a weekend closure That would have been subcontracted to them by GAL I believe. All our rail replacement work is ordered through them
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Post by redexpress on Sept 11, 2020 20:40:03 GMT
Since passenger numbers are down and a lot of replacement buses carrying fresh air these days since alternative makes perfect sense so resources can deployed elsewhere. Another route which has no replacement buses is the Wimbledon loop which only has ticket acceptance on SWR/Tramlink & local buses Unsure if it was a trial or something but there was an occasion when Bear Buses provided a RRS during a weekend closure I vaguely remember travelling on that service, Bear Buses were one of the subcontractors using Darts. I think it only covered part of the route - perhaps between Streatham and Wimbledon? - with no service (rail or bus) between Wimbledon and Sutton. It seems the 164 is deemed sufficient to cover this section.
The line through Hackbridge does get a replacement service when it's closed.
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