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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:04:17 GMT
What routes travel through the most expensive/least deprived/most well-off areas?
And what routes travel through the most run-down/deprived areas?
Anyone have any ideas
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 25, 2016 21:31:08 GMT
I'll kick this off with routes H3, 268 and 210 in the well-off category.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:33:51 GMT
Richmond / Richmond Hill / Barnes / Putney / Sheen / Kew - all these areas are well off, heavily congested , yet all have busy bus routes.
To be honest though, there is a seriously decreasing number of areas in London that could be totally described as deprived. Every borough has pockets of deprivation , even Bromley ( Penge, Anerley) and Bexleyheath ( Thamesmead , Erith )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:34:04 GMT
What routes travel through the most expensive/least deprived/most well-off areas? And what routes travel through the most run-down/deprived areas? Anyone have any ideas I've always noticed a pattern, that a lot of the worse off areas tend to be the ones with the best links such as places like Croydon, Woolwich, Brixton, Peckham, Hackney, Tottenham, Lewisham/Catford, Peckham, Elephant & Castle, Camberwell, however though in most recent years these places especially Hackney & Brixton have become sought after places because of these very good transport links, I think a reason is because many can't afford cars in these areas plus there generally in good geographical places for example Brixton & Croydon are on/off the A23 which links London to Brighton for example whilst Hackney has no tube station so they're really dependent on buses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:42:34 GMT
What routes travel through the most expensive/least deprived/most well-off areas? And what routes travel through the most run-down/deprived areas? Anyone have any ideas I've always noticed a pattern, that a lot of the worse off areas tend to be the ones with the best links such as places like Croydon, Woolwich, Brixton, Peckham, Hackney, Tottenham, Lewisham/Catford, Peckham, Elephant & Castle, Camberwell especially however though in the most recent years these places especially Hackney & Brixton have become sought after places because of this very good transport links, I think reason is because many can't afford cars in these areas plus there generally in good geographical places for example Brixton & Croydon are on/off the A23 which links London to Brighton for example whilst Hackney as no tube station they're really dependent on buses. I hear you. All of those places are like destination hubs for buses. I'm in Woolwich which honestly I can get almost anywhere I need to get to by just one bus, except for Bromley . Its nice being able to do that - about your car comment, I mean I cant afford to/ dont drive, but you should see the backstreets of Woolwich/Plumstead - you'd think nobody caught the bus how many cars there are!  - but most bus routes here are packed to the brim. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 25, 2016 21:43:20 GMT
What routes travel through the most expensive/least deprived/most well-off areas? And what routes travel through the most run-down/deprived areas? Anyone have any ideas If you look in the London Datastore you will find all sorts of data. There is income levels by Borough - unsurprisingly the City of London and Kensington and Chelsea do very well. Barking and Dagenham, Hackney and Tower Hamlets are near the bottom. There is also Deprivation Index information - data.london.gov.uk/dataset/indices-of-deprivation-2015 which again identifies places like Hackney, Barking and Dagenham, Newham, Tottenham and Tower Hamlets as being more deprived. There are maps which show where there is concentration of deprivation. I am sure thesquirrels can do better than me in identifying the more troubled estates but places like Kidbrooke, the old Mard**e Estate, Northumberland Park etc have been or are problem areas. Despite Bromley being a well off borough there are places like the Ramsden Estate which are a tad "rough" despite being not far from palatial houses elsewhere in Orpington. You've also got the wondrous delights of New Addington in Croydon. Pollards Hill didn't look thrilling when I changed buses there but, as ever, a brief glimpse of somewhere doesn't really give you a real idea (with the possible exception of the old concrete bits of Thamesmead - they give me the willies). Let's just say that if you ride a bus down the Kings Road or the C2 via Mayfair or the C11 via Primrose Hill you'll see the plusher side of London. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:43:53 GMT
I'll kick this off with routes H3, 268 and 210 in the well-off category. I'll have to Google Map these  |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 25, 2016 21:47:03 GMT
I'll kick this off with routes H3, 268 and 210 in the well-off category. I'll have to Google Map these Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggg these are cover Hampstead, Hampstead Heath, the Bishops Avenue (billionaires row) and part of Hampstead Garden Suburb.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:52:24 GMT
I'll have to Google Map these Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggg these are cover Hampstead, Hampstead Heath, the Bishops Avenue (billionaires row) and part of Hampstead Garden Suburb. Oh my god  Thanks for your input here and in your earlier post! I was just wondering what specific routes. You've made it sound like my eyeballs will burst out of their sockets when I google map these routes. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 25, 2016 22:44:31 GMT
What routes travel through the most expensive/least deprived/most well-off areas? And what routes travel through the most run-down/deprived areas? Anyone have any ideas I'll nominate the P5 for serving the most deprived areas - riding it from end to end is a sobering experience - especially if you end up in the Patmore Estate. The 380 is a Lewisham borough equivalent, but interpersed with pleasant views of the O2. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2016 22:56:08 GMT
I'll have to Google Map these Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggg these are cover Hampstead, Hampstead Heath, the Bishops Avenue (billionaires row) and part of Hampstead Garden Suburb. Shall we rename it "Jonathan Ross Avenue" lol. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2016 23:01:50 GMT
What routes travel through the most expensive/least deprived/most well-off areas? And what routes travel through the most run-down/deprived areas? Anyone have any ideas I'll nominate the P5 for serving the most deprived areas - riding it from end to end is a sobering experience - especially if you end up in the Patmore Estate. The 380 is a Lewisham borough equivalent, but interpersed with pleasant views of the O2. Second that - you start off in Elephants stupid new road network, then trundle down through Walworth Road before serving every side street between there & Camberwell New Road. Then down more back roads passing layers and layers of council housing including the dreaded Myatts Field & Angel Town (still dangerous places at times). If your still alive passing through Loughborough Junction, then you revel in passing another hellhole called Somerleyton (another dangerous place) before arriving in Brixton. The rest of the route apart from Patmore Estate isn't too bad lol. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2016 23:06:33 GMT
Just about any place with Clapham in the name is well off except for Clapham Park. Parts of Kennington such as the houses along Kennington Road north of Kennington Lane have well of people residing there such as the late Charles Kennedy. Dulwich & Herne Hill are ones that stick out among the 'slums' surrounding them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 5:33:50 GMT
H13 is a pretty well off route. Boring though.
The 384 goes through some chavvy areas east of Barnet.
The Havelock estate in Southall (E5) , Pepys Estate in Deptford (199), White City Estate (283) all good places.
An aside note. When the Metropolitan line used to serve the Hammersmith to Edgware Rd branch there was a local saying , derived from the ' I've met the met" police stickers ... " I survived the met" , referring to the huge amount of stabbings and robberies occurring between Goldhawk Rd & Royal Oak.
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Post by thesquirrels on Jan 26, 2016 8:58:19 GMT
Keep meaning to weigh in with a longer comment but no time. Nominations include the 349, 472, D3, P5, 62, 380.. no one route runs through universally severely deprived areas - London is too cheek by jowl for that, increasingly in recent years. And many of the most notorious estates have been flattened (Ferrier (178), Stonebridge (18). Gentrification has taken the forbidding edge out of estates around Brixton and Peckham, Hackney and Islington. It is still there but the reputation is being eroded, and the tenure is changing, slowly.. London's deprivation is increasingly suburbanised, cottage estates and rented semis (Dagenham, north Tottenham, east Enfield, north Croydon, Burnt Oak, Hendon) and is harder to see. The 349 through Edmonton and Ponders End will show you the new deprivation in London. The 32 through West Hendon as well. New Addington still gets a mention, though.
389 from Barnet to Hadley Wood is up there with the H3 IMO. The Richmond Hill leg of the 371, less so the Ham part (but then, by estate standards, Ham does well). The 33, Twickers, Richmond, Sheen, Barnes, Putney, Castelnau.. enough said. Main roads mask the poshness to an extent, but the social advantages in those areas are unmistakable.
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- but most bus routes here are packed to the brim. 
