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Post by DT 11 on Apr 5, 2017 9:38:48 GMT
Saw 36614 parked up there yesterday only a matter of time I thought, there was plenty of room indeed, but having had 61, 160, 161 & 162 all stopping there at the same time once we were blocking up the road lol. Sod the traffic though as they won't be getting in front of the bus for once. You may want to note Chislehurst / Ashfield Lane has no bus stop tile for the R7. It will be good once the bus stand is installed. Also such a Vague Destination just "Chislehurst" like the 61 All very good points. There is an R7 tile on the 61 stand despite it being difficult if not impossible to serve that stop as there is often 2 or 3 61s parked there. Also, the ibus announces 'Green Lane/Belmont Lane', which is the 160/162 stop round the corner. Not sure how we're supposed to serve that one, short of reversing onto it. The 160, 162 stops are Chislehurst / Gordon Arms. Green Lane / Belmont Lane is the 61 Bus Stand also now R7 bus stop. I agree it is a pointless stop for the R7 imo.
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Post by TB141 on Apr 5, 2017 9:42:11 GMT
All very good points. There is an R7 tile on the 61 stand despite it being difficult if not impossible to serve that stop as there is often 2 or 3 61s parked there. Also, the ibus announces 'Green Lane/Belmont Lane', which is the 160/162 stop round the corner. Not sure how we're supposed to serve that one, short of reversing onto it. The 160, 162 stops are Chislehurst / Gordon Arms. Green Lane / Belmont Lane is the 61 Bus Stand also now R7 bus stop. I agree it is a pointless stop for the R7 imo. I'm almost sure it's the opposite way round. Unless there is a discrepancy between what is announced on ibus and what is actually shown on the flag, which isn't entirely beyond the realms of possibility.
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Post by lonmark on Apr 5, 2017 13:59:48 GMT
I finish my work in chislehurst and i went to bus stop outside sainsbury. I look up at bus countdown app and see that R7 had ready gone to next stops. i am bit confused, is this route R7 go to bus stand share with route 61 to take break then get ready to go via Park Road to the Sainsbury to start there. Well i was panic and was not sure if R7 mean to go to sainsbury start there then go via Albany road then Gordon Arms and Loop Road. So I went to Loop Road bus stop and get R7 in time. I ask bus driver and where it mean to start at sainsbury? he say he can start there but can't park there as no bus stand. Now TfL still haven't put up new timetable of every bus stops of R7 yet! So not many people know about it. Just one or two people get on this R7 as i can see. Hope Paul may know about if R7 arrive end at sainsbury then go out of service to gordon arms share with route 61's bus stand. When R7 is ready to go then go via Park Road to sainsbury start there then go via Albany Road, 61 bus stop then loop Road? Right? I see some drivers not bother go via sainsbury at all?
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Post by sid on Apr 5, 2017 14:36:26 GMT
I finish my work in chislehurst and i went to bus stop outside sainsbury. I look up at bus countdown app and see that R7 had ready gone to next stops. i am bit confused, is this route R7 go to bus stand share with route 61 to take break then get ready to go via Park Road to the Sainsbury to start there. Well i was panic and was not sure if R7 mean to go to sainsbury start there then go via Albany road then Gordon Arms and Loop Road. So I went to Loop Road bus stop and get R7 in time. I ask bus driver and where it mean to start at sainsbury? he say he can start there but can't park there as no bus stand. Now TfL still haven't put up new timetable of every bus stops of R7 yet! So not many people know about it. Just one or two people get on this R7 as i can see. Hope Paul may know about if R7 arrive end at sainsbury then go out of service to gordon arms share with route 61's bus stand. When R7 is ready to go then go via Park Road to sainsbury start there then go via Albany Road, 61 bus stop then loop Road? Right? I see some drivers not bother go via sainsbury at all? The R7's that I've seen have taken their stand time outside Sainsburys, whether that is the correct procedure I really don't know.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 5, 2017 19:48:01 GMT
The 160, 162 stops are Chislehurst / Gordon Arms. Green Lane / Belmont Lane is the 61 Bus Stand also now R7 bus stop. I agree it is a pointless stop for the R7 imo. I'm almost sure it's the opposite way round. Unless there is a discrepancy between what is announced on ibus and what is actually shown on the flag, which isn't entirely beyond the realms of possibility. I assure you what I have said above is correct. The Bus Stop flags even display it as does iBus. In addition switching on the blind lights for the older batch of Enviro 200s might be a thing to note for 336 drivers. I know most newer models the blind lights are automatically on with the headlights.
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Post by TB141 on Apr 5, 2017 19:58:46 GMT
I'm almost sure it's the opposite way round. Unless there is a discrepancy between what is announced on ibus and what is actually shown on the flag, which isn't entirely beyond the realms of possibility. I assure you what I have said above is correct. The Bus Stop flags even display it as does iBus. In addition switching on the blind lights for the older batch of Enviro 200s might be a thing to note for 336 drivers. I know most newer models the blind lights are automatically on with the headlights. Calm yourself oh wise one. I was only stating what I throught was on the stop flag, no need to take it as a personal insult.
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Post by DT 11 on Apr 5, 2017 21:43:20 GMT
I assure you what I have said above is correct. The Bus Stop flags even display it as does iBus. In addition switching on the blind lights for the older batch of Enviro 200s might be a thing to note for 336 drivers. I know most newer models the blind lights are automatically on with the headlights. Calm yourself oh wise one. I was only stating what I throught was on the stop flag, no need to take it as a personal insult. I really didn't in fact was only giving you a bit of extra info.
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Post by Paul on Apr 6, 2017 7:49:13 GMT
Hope Paul may know about if R7 arrive end at sainsbury then go out of service to gordon arms share with route 61's bus stand. When R7 is ready to go then go via Park Road to sainsbury start there then go via Albany Road, 61 bus stop then loop Road? Right? I see some drivers not bother go via sainsbury at all? The notice in the garage about this is somewhat vague. It simply says that we should use the Gordon Arms stand. No mention is made of running around in circles to serve Sainsbury's again although common sense dictates that you probably would. One driver told me he did that on Sunday but Park Road was almost impossible to negotiate due to parked cars and driving on the kerb was necessary - obviously not ideal The notice in the garage also states that we are entitled to park up on the stop outside Sainsbury's to go and use the toilet and here is the argument most of us are using. By the time you've pulled up, unloaded, done all the paperwork and changed the blinds and gone into Sainsbury's to use the toilet you've only got a few minutes left before departure and spinning around in a circle would simply be a waste of time and energy. If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all As for the route itself, I'm a fan. It feels incredibly long thanks to the hesitation point only at Chelsfield Village but I've always preferred long routes anyway. My second half this week has been three Chislehursts and two Chelsfields but it's flown by. Yes, there are issues with too much running time from Chislehurst but that will sort itself out in future. For now though it's a definite thumbs up from me!
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Post by lonmark on Apr 6, 2017 8:11:57 GMT
Hope Paul may know about if R7 arrive end at sainsbury then go out of service to gordon arms share with route 61's bus stand. When R7 is ready to go then go via Park Road to sainsbury start there then go via Albany Road, 61 bus stop then loop Road? Right? I see some drivers not bother go via sainsbury at all? The notice in the garage about this is somewhat vague. It simply says that we should use the Gordon Arms stand. No mention is made of running around in circles to serve Sainsbury's again although common sense dictates that you probably would. One driver told me he did that on Sunday but Park Road was almost impossible to negotiate due to parked cars and driving on the kerb was necessary - obviously not ideal The notice in the garage also states that we are entitled to park up on the stop outside Sainsbury's to go and use the toilet and here is the argument most of us are using. By the time you've pulled up, unloaded, done all the paperwork and changed the blinds and gone into Sainsbury's to use the toilet you've only got a few minutes left before departure and spinning around in a circle would simply be a waste of time and energy. If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all Great, that mean i have to go to Loop Road Bus stop or Gordon Arms bus stop to get bus R7? I hope i can leave on time at my work in good enough time to get bus R7 if i miss it then options is i get bus 162 instead! never mind. I hope Council and TfL hurry up and put bus stand paint down near bus stop outside the sainsbury! :-)
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Post by sid on Apr 6, 2017 8:28:25 GMT
Hope Paul may know about if R7 arrive end at sainsbury then go out of service to gordon arms share with route 61's bus stand. When R7 is ready to go then go via Park Road to sainsbury start there then go via Albany Road, 61 bus stop then loop Road? Right? I see some drivers not bother go via sainsbury at all? The notice in the garage about this is somewhat vague. It simply says that we should use the Gordon Arms stand. No mention is made of running around in circles to serve Sainsbury's again although common sense dictates that you probably would. One driver told me he did that on Sunday but Park Road was almost impossible to negotiate due to parked cars and driving on the kerb was necessary - obviously not ideal The notice in the garage also states that we are entitled to park up on the stop outside Sainsbury's to go and use the toilet and here is the argument most of us are using. By the time you've pulled up, unloaded, done all the paperwork and changed the blinds and gone into Sainsbury's to use the toilet you've only got a few minutes left before departure and spinning around in a circle would simply be a waste of time and energy. If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all As for the route itself, I'm a fan. It feels incredibly long thanks to the hesitation point only at Chelsfield Village but I've always preferred long routes anyway. My second half this week has been three Chislehursts and two Chelsfields but it's flown by. Yes, there are issues with too much running time from Chislehurst but that will sort itself out in future. For now though it's a definite thumbs up from me! Very remiss of TfL not to have had this sorted out long ago. I would imagine the R7 is a lovely route to drive, I noticed yesterday drivers changing over at Orpington station and the driver coming off was picked up in a car. The driver on Saturday was complaining about not enough running time.
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Post by Paul on Apr 6, 2017 8:33:12 GMT
The notice in the garage about this is somewhat vague. It simply says that we should use the Gordon Arms stand. No mention is made of running around in circles to serve Sainsbury's again although common sense dictates that you probably would. One driver told me he did that on Sunday but Park Road was almost impossible to negotiate due to parked cars and driving on the kerb was necessary - obviously not ideal The notice in the garage also states that we are entitled to park up on the stop outside Sainsbury's to go and use the toilet and here is the argument most of us are using. By the time you've pulled up, unloaded, done all the paperwork and changed the blinds and gone into Sainsbury's to use the toilet you've only got a few minutes left before departure and spinning around in a circle would simply be a waste of time and energy. If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all Great, that mean i have to go to Loop Road Bus stop or Gordon Arms bus stop to get bus R7? I hope i can leave on time at my work in good enough time to get bus R7 if i miss it then options is i get bus 162 instead! never mind. I hope Council and TfL hurry up and put bus stand paint down near bus stop outside the sainsbury! :-) I guess to guarantee getting the R7 you should use Loop Road
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Post by Paul on Apr 6, 2017 8:37:00 GMT
The notice in the garage about this is somewhat vague. It simply says that we should use the Gordon Arms stand. No mention is made of running around in circles to serve Sainsbury's again although common sense dictates that you probably would. One driver told me he did that on Sunday but Park Road was almost impossible to negotiate due to parked cars and driving on the kerb was necessary - obviously not ideal The notice in the garage also states that we are entitled to park up on the stop outside Sainsbury's to go and use the toilet and here is the argument most of us are using. By the time you've pulled up, unloaded, done all the paperwork and changed the blinds and gone into Sainsbury's to use the toilet you've only got a few minutes left before departure and spinning around in a circle would simply be a waste of time and energy. If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all As for the route itself, I'm a fan. It feels incredibly long thanks to the hesitation point only at Chelsfield Village but I've always preferred long routes anyway. My second half this week has been three Chislehursts and two Chelsfields but it's flown by. Yes, there are issues with too much running time from Chislehurst but that will sort itself out in future. For now though it's a definite thumbs up from me! Very remiss of TfL not to have had this sorted out long ago. I would imagine the R7 is a lovely route to drive, I noticed yesterday drivers changing over at Orpington station and the driver coming off was picked up in a car. The driver on Saturday was complaining about not enough running time. Yeah, our changeovers are at Orpington Station and travelling time is built in to the duties to get back to the garage. The time is based on getting service buses back but some drivers are arranging lifts while others are driving down in their own car and parking on the Crofton Estate. For my part, on the duty I'm doing this week, when I come off my second bus there's a 208 running light back to the garage passing at about the same time so I've been able to jump on that to get back to the garage And yes, it's still a very pleasant route to drive although huge crowds of kids piling on to get to the fun fair at Hewitts Farm rather ruin the peace at the moment!
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Post by snoggle on Apr 6, 2017 10:36:14 GMT
If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all Even though TfL will be requestor of the stand change it will be for Bromley Council to implement as it's on a borough road. We know that many works that are reliant on the Boroughs take far longer than expected and that assumes there's money to pay for it. Given how delayed the Orpington scheme already was and the fact the R7 change was an essential component in the scheme I expect TfL had to go ahead rather than delay everything even longer.
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Post by Paul on Apr 6, 2017 12:05:39 GMT
If TfL pulled their finger out and laid down some pretty coloured tarmac and built a stand like they said they would then there wouldn't be a problem at all Even though TfL will be requestor of the stand change it will be for Bromley Council to implement as it's on a borough road. We know that many works that are reliant on the Boroughs take far longer than expected and that assumes there's money to pay for it. Given how delayed the Orpington scheme already was and the fact the R7 change was an essential component in the scheme I expect TfL had to go ahead rather than delay everything even longer. Ah, my bad. I imagine there's something of an exchange between all the relevant parties since implementation of a stand down there requires losing or repositioning two disabled spaces or a loading bay. I think, in the end, the loading bay will be repositioned since I don't think it's used by Sainsbury's lorries for their deliveries and doesn't seem to be in a very useful place for any other deliveries. Either way, I don't think there's going to be a quick resolution. If anything the service may be 'temporarily' restructured to start and finish at the Gordon Arms stand
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Post by vjaska on Apr 6, 2017 12:26:15 GMT
Great, that mean i have to go to Loop Road Bus stop or Gordon Arms bus stop to get bus R7? I hope i can leave on time at my work in good enough time to get bus R7 if i miss it then options is i get bus 162 instead! never mind. I hope Council and TfL hurry up and put bus stand paint down near bus stop outside the sainsbury! :-) I guess to guarantee getting the R7 you should use Loop Road So just to clarify as I've not been properly following, Gordon Arms is set down only for the R7 at the moment? It's just so I don't end up missing one next weekend lol.
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