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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 22, 2016 16:31:59 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 22, 2016 21:44:30 GMT
Seems like people cant make their mind up. They complain that buses go too fast etc. and about accidents etc.
TfL are more to blame with the bus speeds going down. Our ever wonderful cyclists helping to slow down bus speeds, whether using bus lanes or removal of them due to cycle superhighway etc schemes. Then we have the stupid 20 mph limits within Hackney, Tower Hamlets, City of London, Islington etc. pahetic town squares and removing roundabouts; then we now have things like speed adaptation trials. Also now since we have the thing that every bus stop is to be taken as a compulsory stop, then its no wonder this happens.
Gone are the days we used to get buses promoted as "fast & frequent" with hoppa buses etc.
People would soon start to desert buses and go to Uber. There are a lot of places on the London road network causing hold ups, stupid light phases etc. but then with the anti-car nation we live in, those in the know working for organisations such as TfL local councils do not seem to realise that they are also punishing bus users with these measures.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2016 21:54:38 GMT
Seems like people cant make their mind up. They complain that buses go too fast etc. and about accidents etc. TfL are more to blame with the bus speeds going down. Our ever wonderful cyclists helping to slow down bus speeds, whether using bus lanes or removal of them due to cycle superhighway etc schemes. Then we have the stupid 20 mph limits within Hackney, Tower Hamlets, City of London, Islington etc. pahetic town squares and removing roundabouts; then we now have things like speed adaptation trials. Also now since we have the thing that every bus stop is to be taken as a compulsory stop, then its no wonder this happens. Gone are the days we used to get buses promoted as "fast & frequent" with hoppa buses etc. People would soon start to desert buses and go to Uber. There are a lot of places on the London road network causing hold ups, stupid light phases etc. but then with the anti-car nation we live in, those in the know working for organisations such as TfL local councils do not seem to realise that they are also punishing bus users with these measures. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha   Have you seen how much money is being spent on roads in England and in Scotland? London is different but you said "nation" not Capital City. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 22, 2016 23:06:11 GMT
Wonder how long before all inner London boroughs have borough wide 20mph limits - so far, Camden, City of London (didn't think it had a blanket 20 mph limit), Hackney, Islington, Lambeth (not fully implemented yet), Southwark & Tower Hamlets have these ridiculous schemes. Have I missed any?
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Post by snowman on Feb 23, 2016 7:06:26 GMT
Wonder how long before all inner London boroughs have borough wide 20mph limits - so far, Camden, City of London (didn't think it had a blanket 20 mph limit), Hackney, Islington, Lambeth (not fully implemented yet), Southwark & Tower Hamlets have these ridiculous schemes. Have I missed any? Kingston borough is split into 4 neighbourhoods and 20mph was done on all side roads few years ago in the Kingston area, sensibly all the through routes stayed at 30mph. Now looks like Surbiton area are considering 20mph on all roads. I grew up on the edge of the New Forest and about 25 years ago they introduced a blanket speed of 40mph. It took nearly a year to put limits on all the roads, first full year after, there were more deaths, ponies run over and accidents than last year of 60mph two years before. Quite simply it was later discovered that blanket speed limits stop drivers concentrating. So actually reduces road safety. The 20mph brigade know this so they dont mention (increased) accident rate, just the less severe injuries once the inevitable accident occurs. |
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Post by T.R. on Feb 23, 2016 11:00:59 GMT
Wonder how long before all inner London boroughs have borough wide 20mph limits - so far, Camden, City of London (didn't think it had a blanket 20 mph limit), Hackney, Islington, Lambeth (not fully implemented yet), Southwark & Tower Hamlets have these ridiculous schemes. Have I missed any? Newham? Haringey have their signs covered up but not yet implemented. (Maybe the year's budget has been wasted on that hideous rebrand.) I heard a rumour about either Wandsworth or Merton but you can have a pinch of salt. On the subject the above mentioned routes all pass through at least two 20mph boroughs. But let's be honest, no one would dare campaign for 'faster' buses. What happened to the Bus Priority Network? Wound up? |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 23, 2016 11:11:08 GMT
What happened to the Bus Priority Network? Wound up? Well TfL say they are spending umpteen million pounds on year on bus priority measures. One example is the Brentfield Road bus filter lane near IKEA at Brent Park. A lot of the other aspects seem to be moving / removing loading bays and parking bays (TfL are consulting on one such scheme at Catford). I'm not aware of anything major happening that will really give buses an advantage over other traffic. The other question is what is happening to bus priority enforcement - does anyone bother anymore? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 23, 2016 11:43:09 GMT
Seems like people cant make their mind up. They complain that buses go too fast etc. and about accidents etc. TfL are more to blame with the bus speeds going down. Our ever wonderful cyclists helping to slow down bus speeds, whether using bus lanes or removal of them due to cycle superhighway etc schemes. Then we have the stupid 20 mph limits within Hackney, Tower Hamlets, City of London, Islington etc. pahetic town squares and removing roundabouts; then we now have things like speed adaptation trials. Also now since we have the thing that every bus stop is to be taken as a compulsory stop, then its no wonder this happens. Gone are the days we used to get buses promoted as "fast & frequent" with hoppa buses etc. People would soon start to desert buses and go to Uber. There are a lot of places on the London road network causing hold ups, stupid light phases etc. but then with the anti-car nation we live in, those in the know working for organisations such as TfL local councils do not seem to realise that they are also punishing bus users with these measures. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Have you seen how much money is being spent on roads in England and in Scotland? London is different but you said "nation" not Capital City. As you say sent on roads, but not in favour of car users at all. I wouldn't call adding things like speed humps, chicanes, more traffic lights, pavements encroaching road space, schemes closing off side roads not being anti-car. After all these measures I mention are what the government would class as spending on roads. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 23, 2016 11:49:20 GMT
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Have you seen how much money is being spent on roads in England and in Scotland? London is different but you said "nation" not Capital City. As you say sent on roads, but not in favour of car users at all. I wouldn't call adding things like speed humps, chicanes, more traffic lights, pavements encroaching road space, schemes closing off side roads not being anti-car. After all these measures I mention are what the government would class as spending on roads. You have clearly missed all the money being spent on bypasses, relief roads and expanding motorway capacity. They are spending billions on this. DfT were tweeting frantically yesterday about some new relief road in South Devon and how it would bolster the local economy. I don't see any programme of *national* speed humps etc being endorsed by the DfT. Some local councils might have some money to do local schemes but they get nowhere near what is happening in London. There is also hardly any national funding for cycle schemes in local areas. London's spend dwarfs the rest of the UK. I understand your moans about things done in London but I really do NOT see the DfT doing the same things on a national basis which was your point. Please point me at some evidence to prove your point but National Infrastructure Plans are all about road capacity enhancements not the reverse. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 23, 2016 14:25:47 GMT
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Have you seen how much money is being spent on roads in England and in Scotland? London is different but you said "nation" not Capital City. As you say sent on roads, but not in favour of car users at all. I wouldn't call adding things like speed humps, chicanes, more traffic lights, pavements encroaching road space, schemes closing off side roads not being anti-car. After all these measures I mention are what the government would class as spending on roads. I can't really knock Lambeth in some terms when it comes to roads - unlike many London boroughs, they've at least resurfaced many of the main roads which were in a state such as the A23 from Kennington deep into Streatham & Acre Lane as well as even tackling some side roads such as my own one. However, they are a bit too happy when it comes to speed humps. Some roads are closed off permanently for reasons outside of re-routing traffic - there is two roads near me that were closed off permanently as there was major problems with prostitution and it worked as it no longer happens on those two roads now. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 23, 2016 23:05:40 GMT
As you say sent on roads, but not in favour of car users at all. I wouldn't call adding things like speed humps, chicanes, more traffic lights, pavements encroaching road space, schemes closing off side roads not being anti-car. After all these measures I mention are what the government would class as spending on roads. You have clearly missed all the money being spent on bypasses, relief roads and expanding motorway capacity. They are spending billions on this. DfT were tweeting frantically yesterday about some new relief road in South Devon and how it would bolster the local economy. I don't see any programme of *national* speed humps etc being endorsed by the DfT. Some local councils might have some money to do local schemes but they get nowhere near what is happening in London. There is also hardly any national funding for cycle schemes in local areas. London's spend dwarfs the rest of the UK. I understand your moans about things done in London but I really do NOT see the DfT doing the same things on a national basis which was your point. Please point me at some evidence to prove your point but National Infrastructure Plans are all about road capacity enhancements not the reverse. Compared to other countries, we are far behind. In London we are light years behind. The green eco do gooders have won. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 23, 2016 23:53:40 GMT
You have clearly missed all the money being spent on bypasses, relief roads and expanding motorway capacity. They are spending billions on this. DfT were tweeting frantically yesterday about some new relief road in South Devon and how it would bolster the local economy. I don't see any programme of *national* speed humps etc being endorsed by the DfT. Some local councils might have some money to do local schemes but they get nowhere near what is happening in London. There is also hardly any national funding for cycle schemes in local areas. London's spend dwarfs the rest of the UK. I understand your moans about things done in London but I really do NOT see the DfT doing the same things on a national basis which was your point. Please point me at some evidence to prove your point but National Infrastructure Plans are all about road capacity enhancements not the reverse. Compared to other countries, we are far behind. In London we are light years behind. The green eco do gooders have won. What other countries? Offer a couple of suggestions - genuine question btw not a wind up. Most of Europe is far, far ahead of us in terms of traffic restraint, pedestrianisation, bus priority and cycle lanes. The only place that possibly gets close to your car based panacea is the USA and Los Angeles in particular. Even there, though, they are spending a small fortune putting in modern bus routes, bus priority and light rail / metro lines. Places like Portland in Oregon are adopting pro cycling, pro transport policies and turning over space from roads to parks and pavements etc. The major problem in London is actually the sheer volume of journeys that the infrastructure has to try to cope with. Let's be honest - there are not that many places in the world as old as London and as developed as London that is facing the population pressures we have. There are plenty of third world cities with explosive population growth but nothing approaching London's rail and road infrastructure nor basic things like drainage, sewers, good electrical and gas distribution etc. They're over 100 years behind us on those. Beijing and Shanghai have crazy population growth but a dictatorship means there's little opposition to swathes of those cities being destroyed to make way for motorways, roads, metro lines and enormous tower blocks pushing the city boundaries out by miles. Again not really compatible with London in terms of constraints or governance. |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 24, 2016 0:22:26 GMT
Wonder how long before all inner London boroughs have borough wide 20mph limits - so far, Camden, City of London (didn't think it had a blanket 20 mph limit), Hackney, Islington, Lambeth (not fully implemented yet), Southwark & Tower Hamlets have these ridiculous schemes. Have I missed any? Hounslow are also considering jumping on the 20mph bandwagon, despite being an outer London Borough which has a number of major roads running through it, such as the A4, A30, A406... I think it's a good excuse not to maintain the roads as much, as I notice more potholes thus winter (it's not been excessively cold / wet) even in more well heeled parts of town. As I discussed on the Arriva thread this issue of low bus speeds plays havoc with their DPFs and other emissions reducing kit as the engines don't get up to a decent speed to burn off excess soot in the system, ironically adding to the pollution   That's why I am considering BREXIT - a Brentford Exit by the end of the year and quitting London altogether as the pollution, blanket 20 zones, stupid road layouts including cycle lanes that just take up space etc, along with cost of living has made things very dull round here. The most exciting thing bus wise in Brentford is one of the MANs on the E8 (826?) had a new offside LED brake light fitted that is round, not hexagonal like the rest  I would head back to Tottenham but average rents of £1900 pcm for a 2 bed house, has made me think of either The Shires or perhaps Kent... SB200 thrash on a local route has swayed me, the only downside is fares outside London, but I would still be around London for work. But, back on topic, with the proliferation of average speed cameras it will be easy to enforce this 20 mph zone in any borough... coming soon to a street near you |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 17:20:30 GMT
Wonder how long before all inner London boroughs have borough wide 20mph limits - so far, Camden, City of London (didn't think it had a blanket 20 mph limit), Hackney, Islington, Lambeth (not fully implemented yet), Southwark & Tower Hamlets have these ridiculous schemes. Have I missed any? Croydon as well however though it's just the north part of the borough out of the 3 Croydon constuitencies Croydon North have decided to do with a 20 mph limit however though this won't apply to the main roads which will stay at 30mph. www.croydon.gov.uk/sites/default/files/20mph_faq.pdf |
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Have you seen how much money is being spent on roads in England and in Scotland? London is different but you said "nation" not Capital City.
I would head back to Tottenham but average rents of £1900 pcm for a 2 bed house, has made me think of either The Shires or perhaps Kent... SB200 thrash on a local route has swayed me, the only downside is fares outside London, but I would still be around London for work.