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Post by snoggle on May 10, 2016 9:29:35 GMT
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Post by twobellstogo on May 10, 2016 10:42:44 GMT
Even so, one bus change within the hour is going to make a whole lot of bus journeys cheaper. This is great news  |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 11, 2016 8:45:54 GMT
Even so, one bus change within the hour is going to make a whole lot of bus journeys cheaper. This is great news This was quite a common thing that many of the Mayoral candidates wanted to bring in. I personally dont think there is huge demand for it. Mainly because a) If you needed two buses to get somewhere, your probably going to need two buses to get back, and therefore save only £1.50, but limit yourself to only 4 journeys. b) If you needed only one bus, you would need to do some quick shopping, to get the return bus within an hour. c) Obviously journey times and waiting times for buses will eat into that one hour as well. Furthermore, I could see TfL being more willing to break bus routes/journeys up when redoing some area plans, like the one in Stratford and Bow. Fares for single jounrey could go up, although they are planned to be frozen by Sadiq. But we all know politicians and passengers differ on the meaning of frozen. Can we focus on bus journey times and reliability please. |
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Post by sid on May 11, 2016 17:24:23 GMT
Even so, one bus change within the hour is going to make a whole lot of bus journeys cheaper. This is great news This was quite a common thing that many of the Mayoral candidates wanted to bring in. I personally dont think there is huge demand for it. Mainly because a) If you needed two buses to get somewhere, your probably going to need two buses to get back, and therefore save only £1.50, but limit yourself to only 4 journeys. b) If you needed only one bus, you would need to do some quick shopping, to get the return bus within an hour. c) Obviously journey times and waiting times for buses will eat into that one hour as well. Furthermore, I could see TfL being more willing to break bus routes/journeys up when redoing some area plans, like the one in Stratford and Bow. Fares for single jounrey could go up, although they are planned to be frozen by Sadiq. But we all know politicians and passengers differ on the meaning of frozen. Can we focus on bus journey times and reliability please. I'm a bit dubious about it as well, I think it's just going to create more problems than it solves. |
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2016 19:47:08 GMT
I reckon the best chance of covering the greatest distance will be on night buses if you guarantee a fast run in from the suburbs with negligible traffic and then a connection on to something line a N15, N207 or N9 going to the very furthest extent of their routes. During the day you've got to be planning on a decent ride into Heathrow and then a very smart connection on to the X26 or doing something similar but connecting at Croydon. Problem is that traffic into Croydon can be hellish and if you miss the connection you're stuffed. Any other ideas? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 19:55:07 GMT
This will be handing for me traveling up town via two buses saving £1.50 on a return trip.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 14, 2016 16:42:49 GMT
Travelling to Peckham will be a lot cheaper where as I can get the 176/185 then the 12 instead of waiting ages for a 197.
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Post by l1group on May 16, 2016 8:59:03 GMT
I reckon the best chance of covering the greatest distance will be on night buses if you guarantee a fast run in from the suburbs with negligible traffic and then a connection on to something line a N15, N207 or N9 going to the very furthest extent of their routes. During the day you've got to be planning on a decent ride into Heathrow and then a very smart connection on to the X26 or doing something similar but connecting at Croydon. Problem is that traffic into Croydon can be hellish and if you miss the connection you're stuffed. Any other ideas? N9>X26 was suggested, and would probably work as the N9 does run pretty fast before 0600 (after then, it gets a little funny). There is a 1min connection at Heathrow Central though apparently. When the Oyster system is updated, my house to Central London would be at £1.50, not 3 bus fares. Pretty darn good! |
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Post by croydonguy on May 17, 2016 20:30:59 GMT
Stupid question but I'm wondering if the "hopper ticket" will allow you to go from a bus to tram then back to bus again, as long as it's within the hour or whether it will only allow bus to bus transfers? For example, at the moment I take the 64/314 then 2 trams, which charges me £1.50 for the whole journey, however, sometimes, I might take a bus instead of the second tram, in which I am charged an extra £1.50. With the hopper ticket, I curious to know whether it would still kick in, despite me last tapping in at a tram stop
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Post by snoggle on May 17, 2016 20:50:50 GMT
Stupid question but I'm wondering if the "hopper ticket" will allow you to go from a bus to tram then back to bus again, as long as it's within the hour or whether it will only allow bus to bus transfers? For example, at the moment I take the 64/314 then 2 trams, which charges me £1.50 for the whole journey, however, sometimes, I might take a bus instead of the second tram, in which I am charged an extra £1.50. With the hopper ticket, I curious to know whether it would still kick in, despite me last tapping in at a tram stop Not a stupid question at all. The whole issue of bus to tram interchange and how / if it relates to the Hopper ticket has not been explained. Obviously TfL will be working on the detail but the issue is important given the current transfer facility is limited to New Addington. Will it be expanded to every Tramlink stop? How would it work at Wimbledon where you have to go through SWT ticket gates and then validate again if *boarding* a tram? If trams are excluded from the Hopper ticket other than in New Addington then I think there will be some complaints. Your example is also perfectly legitimate. The Mayor can turn round and say "I never mentioned Trams in my manifesto" but it is a complication that requires an answer. |
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Post by croydonguy on May 17, 2016 22:19:41 GMT
Stupid question but I'm wondering if the "hopper ticket" will allow you to go from a bus to tram then back to bus again, as long as it's within the hour or whether it will only allow bus to bus transfers? For example, at the moment I take the 64/314 then 2 trams, which charges me £1.50 for the whole journey, however, sometimes, I might take a bus instead of the second tram, in which I am charged an extra £1.50. With the hopper ticket, I curious to know whether it would still kick in, despite me last tapping in at a tram stop Not a stupid question at all. The whole issue of bus to tram interchange and how / if relates to the Hopper ticket has not been explained. Obviously TfL will be working on the detail but the issue is important given the current transfer facility is limited to New Addington. Will it be expanded to every Tramlink stop? How would it work at Wimbledon where you have to go through SWT ticket gates and then validate again if *boarding* a tram? If trams are excluded from the Hopper ticket other than in New Addington then I think there will be some complaints. Your example is also perfectly legitimate. The Mayor can turn round and say "I never mentioned Trams" in my manifesto but it is a complication. Thanks mate, I just thought that I might of missed something in regards to tram/train transfers. I reckon that in a bid to make this work as easily and efficiently as possible, it'll just be limited to bus to bus transfers but hey, time will tell |
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Post by snoggle on May 18, 2016 9:55:22 GMT
Not a stupid question at all. The whole issue of bus to tram interchange and how / if relates to the Hopper ticket has not been explained. Obviously TfL will be working on the detail but the issue is important given the current transfer facility is limited to New Addington. Will it be expanded to every Tramlink stop? How would it work at Wimbledon where you have to go through SWT ticket gates and then validate again if *boarding* a tram? If trams are excluded from the Hopper ticket other than in New Addington then I think there will be some complaints. Your example is also perfectly legitimate. The Mayor can turn round and say "I never mentioned Trams" in my manifesto but it is a complication. Thanks mate, I just thought that I might of missed something in regards to tram/train transfers. I reckon that in a bid to make this work as easily and efficiently as possible, it'll just be limited to bus to bus transfers but hey, time will tell Someone at City Hall has been reading this forum.   insidecroydon.com/2016/05/17/mayor-khan-to-extend-one-hour-hopper-fares-to-tram-network/ |
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Post by Paul on May 18, 2016 10:34:53 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered but are punters travelling on the Hopper ticket still going to be required to tap in each time they get on a bus within the hour? It's a good idea on paper but I do foresee arguments and even confrontations at bus stops as people battle to get on within the hour. As ever, it's the drivers that are going to bear the brunt of the failings of this system
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 10:37:50 GMT
A good idea, if Uncle Leon's forecast for the future of bus use is true, this is a step in the right direction, offering occasional customers who don't have bus pass/travelcard to get real value for money from London Buses.
I do think however, that TfL needs to push a harder line with lost revenue, but the higher rate of lost revenue is in a big part thanks to OPO NRM's which have effectively reintroduced the 'free bus' mentality in places. But although this hopper ticket will lose some single fares hither and dither, I think it will keep buses in the game. Now Khan needs to have a look into the crippling congestion caused by roadworks in central London that seriously affects cross London routes and is putting people off buses in central London as people feel its just not reliable enough.
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Post by snoggle on May 18, 2016 10:59:08 GMT
Apologies if this has been covered but are punters travelling on the Hopper ticket still going to be required to tap in each time they get on a bus within the hour? It's a good idea on paper but I do foresee arguments and even confrontations at bus stops as people battle to get on within the hour. As ever, it's the drivers that are going to bear the brunt of the failings of this system Yes passengers MUST touch in each time. The system will always look back in the card history (for Oyster) to see what the previous journey was and what time the touch in happened. If "mode=Bus" and "time of previous journey touch in is within 60 mins of current txn time" then the fare charged will be zero. Obviously with bank cards the processing is done off line so those card holders simply won't know if they're getting a discount or not unless they're timing their trip with a stop watch and keeping precise records. It is worth noting that the current interchange parameter is 70 mins for bus to tram, tram to bus and tram to tram interchange. Now either TfL change the rules on Tramlink and at New Addington or they keep the parameter at 70 mins but actually advertise "1 hour" to passengers. Having 10 mins leeway in the system may defuse a fair number of problems. We'll have to wait to see what happens. I think the system can only cope with one parameter for modal interchanges for buses. The rail network is different because the Out of Station interchange and max journey time rules are much more sophisticated but people touch in and out there so it's easy to apply a more complex rule set. I do agree with your basic point that it is possible that people will get stressed, argumentative etc over whether they're going to get make an interchange in time and get a reduced fare. In places like Orpington it's even worse because some routes routinely run less than hourly anyway which means there's a real issue that some people, if they miss a connection or can't achieve a short duration connection, will never have a discounted second fare. I don't think people have quite worked that one through yet. |
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