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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 18:56:31 GMT
The consultation's up: done as a series of separate consultations rather than one big one it seems. The cynic in me thinks they broke up the consultations to garner pockets of support for the individually grouped consultations to avoid the mass opposition to the big, combined one!
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Post by snoggle on Dec 7, 2016 17:49:41 GMT
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Post by snowman on Oct 6, 2017 9:04:57 GMT
Latest update proposalsPlan appears to be transfer 2 (unspecified) routes to Wigmore Street, remainder curtailed Unusual to see these particular contact details as last paragraph on a public report
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 6, 2017 9:18:04 GMT
Interesting to see the phases, I would have thought the west bit of Oxford Street between Marble Arch and Baker Street would have remained open but it seems they're going full out. I hope all the routes that use Baker Street don't end up using Edgware Road that road is already a nightmare. Another thing which stands out is that the most congested area is what's being tackled first. That's going to be one heck of a lot of displaced bus routes to reroute, I wonder if TfL have a draft plan of how they plan to reroute everything. I do notice that routes in the West will be turned at locations "Close to Oxford St West," So I imagine that'll mean Portman Square for routes 30 and 113 and Marble Arch for anything else.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 6, 2017 9:27:58 GMT
Oh, so they bribed the Wigmore Street twits? In all honesty, if they bleating live next to Oxford Street, they should have no say about not wanting buses outside their window - choosing to live at that location it's part of the package I'm afraid. Not like anybody who isn't a millionaire could afford to live there anyway 139 is one of the two routes I bet, wonder what the other could be - 98???
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Post by sid on Oct 6, 2017 9:38:42 GMT
Oh, so they bribed the Wigmore Street twits? In all honesty, if they bleating live next to Oxford Street, they should have no say about not wanting buses outside their window - choosing to live at that location it's part of the package I'm afraid. Not like anybody who isn't a millionaire could afford to live there anyway 139 is one of the two routes I bet, wonder what the other could be - 98??? I think its more business owners who fear the congestion in Oxford Street being transferred to Wigmore Street. Running two routes along there does seem like a sensible compromise.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 6, 2017 9:43:37 GMT
Oh, so they bribed the Wigmore Street twits? In all honesty, if they bleating live next to Oxford Street, they should have no say about not wanting buses outside their window - choosing to live at that location it's part of the package I'm afraid. Not like anybody who isn't a millionaire could afford to live there anyway 139 is one of the two routes I bet, wonder what the other could be - 98??? I think its more business owners who fear the congestion in Oxford Street being transferred to Wigmore Street. All the congestion will end up going somewhere, it takes a lot of planning to ease congestion and get it right, and judging by this paper the congestion will all just end up in Fitzrovia and Marble Arch. I doubt Wigmore Street will be extremely congested with buses but if only two routes will be going down it then the crowds on them maybe quite high. I know you have the magic word "Crossrail" from Bond Street and of course the Central Line but I don't see people hopping on the tube for £2.40 when a bus will do the same thing for £1.50 unless they have a travel card.
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Post by redexpress on Oct 6, 2017 11:46:01 GMT
Section 5 is interesting. Seems that the idea of full pedestrianisation is not yet set in stone. "Option 1" would still allow buses to run along the affected section; "Option 2" is full pedestrianisation, including diversion of some buses via Wigmore Street. A decision between these two options is due in Jan 2018, at which point the chosen option will be put forward for a detailed consultation. I expect that the usual suspects will be lobbying heavily in favour of Option 2.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 6, 2017 21:13:43 GMT
Oh, so they bribed the Wigmore Street twits? In all honesty, if they bleating live next to Oxford Street, they should have no say about not wanting buses outside their window - choosing to live at that location it's part of the package I'm afraid. Not like anybody who isn't a millionaire could afford to live there anyway 139 is one of the two routes I bet, wonder what the other could be - 98??? What? There is no firm proposal re Wigmore St. This is no different from what was floated in the vague consultation a few months ago that said little of substance but was designed to provoke reactions from tentative ideas incl sending buses down Wigmore St. The next consultation should give more detail on a whole load of issues. I doubt anyone has been "bribed". I also think you have a slightly odd view about who may live in the area. There are a lot of businesses not all of which will be rich. There will be some wealthy people resident locally but unlikely they live directly on Wigmore St. I suspect there are a fair number of people who are not especially well off but who have long term tenancies with protected rents and others who have inherited property. On paper they are "asset rich" but probably don't have millions in the bank. I have been vehement over Oxford St in the past but my ire has been at the groups representing very wealthy businesses who want public money spent and public services wrecked so they can earn more money for their shareholders. That's entirely different to local residents expressing concern over their local environment. On a wider point the programme in the TfL paper has a very aggressive set of milestones to meet in terms of consulation, finalising design and getting work done. Noteworthy too that the eastern section has a completion date of March 2020 - ooh just before the Mayoral election campaign kicks off in earnest. Here we go again with politically driven milestones (and no doubt associated chaos) for major works.
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Post by mondraker275 on Oct 7, 2017 9:03:31 GMT
Oh, so they bribed the Wigmore Street twits? In all honesty, if they bleating live next to Oxford Street, they should have no say about not wanting buses outside their window - choosing to live at that location it's part of the package I'm afraid. Not like anybody who isn't a millionaire could afford to live there anyway 139 is one of the two routes I bet, wonder what the other could be - 98??? On a wider point the programme in the TfL paper has a very aggressive set of milestones to meet in terms of consulation, finalising design and getting work done. Noteworthy too that the eastern section has a completion date of March 2020 - ooh just before the Mayoral election campaign kicks off in earnest. Here we go again with politically driven milestones (and no doubt associated chaos) for major works. TfL dont seem to be learning from the past mistakes and big bang approach and rushing to get things done. Ironically, some of the previous rushed schemes aimed to be completed before a Mayoral election have been opened after the election. Leading to Mr Khan for example opening Mr Johnson's Night Tube or some over his cycle schemes being completed late so that he cannot be seen with it. Its all a shambles really. BTW Its not aggressive timescales/milestones as TfL will save time by doing the final designs during the 'consultation' process.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 7, 2017 12:31:03 GMT
Assuming two routes are put down Wigmore Street, I would think 139 would be almost nailed on to be one of the services. I’d take a punt that the other would be something like the 94.
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 24, 2017 11:47:46 GMT
According to Tuesdays Evening Standard, the locals who will be most effected are not happy. No doubt the bus drivers son is thinking: "S*d 'em, they're rich" My prophesy of 'ripples in the pond' is on its way. On a happier note Merry Crimble to my reader, I hope we've all enjoyed our year on the Forum, lets hope 2018 is happy, peaceful and diverse for everyone of us. Attachment Deleted
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Post by sid on Dec 24, 2017 12:48:02 GMT
According to Tuesdays Evening Standard, the locals who will be most effected are not happy. No doubt the bus drivers son is thinking: "S*d 'em, they're rich" My prophesy of 'ripples in the pond' is on its way. On a happier note Merry Crimble to my reader, I hope we've all enjoyed our year on the Forum, lets hope 2018 is happy, peaceful and diverse for everyone of us. View AttachmentAs I understand it ALL mayoral candidates were in favour of pedestrianisation in Oxford Street so it isn't just Sadiq Khan's idea. Up to 500 taxis an hour? Really? Perhaps there will be a suitable taxi rank rather than the chaos that often ensues outside Selfridges with numerous taxis congregating and a rank that can only accommodate three. Urging people to flood TfL with objections really does smack of desperation, I suspect most people aren't bothered. If they don't like the new arrangements they'll shop elsewhere and if they find them a great improvement they'll flock there in their droves.
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