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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 15, 2016 22:58:17 GMT
I read somewhere that the East London line London Overground trains are meant to be similar to the S Stock on the Metropolitan/District/Circle etc. However I find the London Overground stock inferior. About the only thing I like about the 378 Overground stock is the exterior. I do not know why they never put a part of front to back seats at the Metropolitan line S8 stock. The bum perches on the 378 are very awkward and a stupid height, they may as well not be there. The seats on the 378's are ball bag busters - rock hard. The side windows are way too small, hard at times to get nice decent views outside, especially if someone is sitting at the seat opposite where you could easily see on the S stock.
Pic of both stocks together www.flickr.com/photos/deepgreen2009/31398131431/in/faves-45534276@N03/
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Post by Alex on Dec 16, 2016 1:52:48 GMT
I read somewhere that the East London line London Overground trains are meant to be similar to the S Stock Well, I'm not an expert on the 378's but I've been led to believe that many components are similar kit to the S stock as both trains are built by Bombardier. I'd agree with you that riding both, the S stock seems the better model. As for performance I don't know what a 378 can do, every time I have been on the LO they seem to limp along, they crawl into stations and door opening seems slower. I would love to see what a 378 is capable of but the driving technique which LO seem to employ wouldn't give this chance (unless someone knows of a bit of route where the trains are opened up a bit)....... The acceleration on S stock isn't bad, but anything with overhead wires is generally going to out-do stuff on current rails. If you see an S stock and a C2C class 357 leave West Ham at the same time, the S stock is left behind in the dust : 0 |
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Post by daveb0789 on Dec 16, 2016 9:46:09 GMT
I last drove a London bus in 2002 - I will again on rail replacement. I believe lvl 369/370 have been allocated. Looking forward to driving a double decker again.
Anyway I digress - I'm a train driver as well as a pcv licence holder and I used to drive 378s on the North and East London lines.
The best place to see what their capable of on the East London line is on the sections south of New Cross Gate in the up direction. They are naturally better on overhead wires (north london line) but there are many speed restrictions and speed limits are 45 mph maximum.
The S stock is presently current limited due while power supplies are being upgraded. They were slower than they were to match the A stock trains. Now they are gone they can go a bit faster (maximum is 62 mph). Once resignalling is complete and automatic train operation is in operation they will be operated to their full potential just like the 1995 stock on the Northern Line.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 16, 2016 22:37:52 GMT
I read somewhere that the East London line London Overground trains are meant to be similar to the S Stock Well, I'm not an expert on the 378's but I've been led to believe that many components are similar kit to the S stock as both trains are built by Bombardier. I'd agree with you that riding both, the S stock seems the better model. As for performance I don't know what a 378 can do, every time I have been on the LO they seem to limp along, they crawl into stations and door opening seems slower. I would love to see what a 378 is capable of but the driving technique which LO seem to employ wouldn't give this chance (unless someone knows of a bit of route where the trains are opened up a bit)....... The acceleration on S stock isn't bad, but anything with overhead wires is generally going to out-do stuff on current rails. If you see an S stock and a C2C class 357 leave West Ham at the same time, the S stock is left behind in the dust : 0 The fastest acceleration Underground train at the moment is the Victoria line. They seem to be very fast, at accelerating and decelerating. I also love the fact the doors can be opened very fast dead on as the train comes to a halt like the D stock on the district line. |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 17, 2016 14:14:11 GMT
The fastest acceleration Underground train at the moment is the Victoria line. They seem to be very fast, at accelerating and decelerating. I also love the fact the doors can be opened very fast dead on as the train comes to a halt like the D stock on the district line. I'm also amazed at how quick their doors open as well as at times how soon the train moves off after the doors have shut. As for the fastest tube in terms of acceleration I think the Jubilee Line stock along the JLE section are just as fast, especially from Canada Water to Canary Wharf eastbound and from Bermondsey to London Bridge westbound. The Victoria Line mind you spends more time at higher speeds as their tunnels don't have any sharp bends. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 2:29:23 GMT
I read somewhere that the East London line London Overground trains are meant to be similar to the S Stock on the Metropolitan/District/Circle etc. However I find the London Overground stock inferior. About the only thing I like about the 378 Overground stock is the exterior. I do not know why they never put a part of front to back seats at the Metropolitan line S8 stock. The bum perches on the 378 are very awkward and a stupid height, they may as well not be there. The seats on the 378's are ball bag busters - rock hard. The side windows are way too small, hard at times to get nice decent views outside, especially if someone is sitting at the seat opposite where you could easily see on the S stock.
Pic of both stocks together www.flickr.com/photos/deepgreen2009/31398131431/in/faves-45534276@N03/
Rant over - I think for now! I think the 378's were built for reliability rather than comfort, might explain the ridiculously hard seats!! The seat spec for the S8 stock on the Met was designed to have full longitudinal seating (like the S7s and 378s) but the folks commuting from the chilterns had other ideas and LUL compromised on having SOME forward/rearward seating. The urban nature of the 378s rules this seating configuration out, also allows for more cramming in of punters |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 19, 2016 21:34:52 GMT
I read somewhere that the East London line London Overground trains are meant to be similar to the S Stock on the Metropolitan/District/Circle etc. However I find the London Overground stock inferior. About the only thing I like about the 378 Overground stock is the exterior. I do not know why they never put a part of front to back seats at the Metropolitan line S8 stock. The bum perches on the 378 are very awkward and a stupid height, they may as well not be there. The seats on the 378's are ball bag busters - rock hard. The side windows are way too small, hard at times to get nice decent views outside, especially if someone is sitting at the seat opposite where you could easily see on the S stock.
Pic of both stocks together www.flickr.com/photos/deepgreen2009/31398131431/in/faves-45534276@N03/
Rant over - I think for now! I think the 378's were built for reliability rather than comfort, might explain the ridiculously hard seats!! The seat spec for the S8 stock on the Met was designed to have full longitudinal seating (like the S7s and 378s) but the folks commuting from the chilterns had other ideas and LUL compromised on having SOME forward/rearward seating. The urban nature of the 378s rules this seating configuration out, also allows for more cramming in of punters If the S8's could have it and it is more urban, then surely the 378's could. Is more 378's on order for the Liverpool Street - Chingford/Cheshunt line? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 19, 2016 22:20:44 GMT
I think the 378's were built for reliability rather than comfort, might explain the ridiculously hard seats!! The seat spec for the S8 stock on the Met was designed to have full longitudinal seating (like the S7s and 378s) but the folks commuting from the chilterns had other ideas and LUL compromised on having SOME forward/rearward seating. The urban nature of the 378s rules this seating configuration out, also allows for more cramming in of punters If the S8's could have it and it is more urban, then surely the 378's could. Is more 378's on order for the Liverpool Street - Chingford/Cheshunt line? No, Class 710s are on order and they are similar to the Class 345s for Crossrail |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 22:40:00 GMT
I think the 378's were built for reliability rather than comfort, might explain the ridiculously hard seats!! The seat spec for the S8 stock on the Met was designed to have full longitudinal seating (like the S7s and 378s) but the folks commuting from the chilterns had other ideas and LUL compromised on having SOME forward/rearward seating. The urban nature of the 378s rules this seating configuration out, also allows for more cramming in of punters If the S8's could have it and it is more urban, then surely the 378's could. Is more 378's on order for the Liverpool Street - Chingford/Cheshunt line? Yes but remember these (378) started out as 3-car trains, so space was very limited. Once the spec was done I doubt they saw reason for a change in seating layout once extra cars were ordered |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 20, 2016 21:15:15 GMT
If the S8's could have it and it is more urban, then surely the 378's could. Is more 378's on order for the Liverpool Street - Chingford/Cheshunt line? No, Class 710s are on order and they are similar to the Class 345s for Crossrail The 710's look ugly at the front. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 20, 2016 21:27:32 GMT
No, Class 710s are on order and they are similar to the Class 345s for Crossrail The 710's look ugly at the front. Even though Bombardier have tweaked the front design for the units being built for the Overground? I'll wait to see them in the metal - I expect we will get used to them quickly enough. I think the main issue with seat cushions these days is the removal of springing to reduce maintenance costs. If you think the 378s are bad they are almost plush when put alongside the refurbed seats in the Jubilee and Northern Line stocks - they are horrendously uncomfortable. Like sitting on a metal slab with a sliver of fabric on the top. I don't know why they just didn't copy Hong Kong MTR have just have metal side seats. At least then you can hosepipe the interior clean! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 11:48:05 GMT
The 710's look ugly at the front. Even though Bombardier have tweaked the front design for the units being built for the Overground? I'll wait to see them in the metal - I expect we will get used to them quickly enough. I think the main issue with seat cushions these days is the removal of springing to reduce maintenance costs. If you think the 378s are bad they are almost plush when put alongside the refurbed seats in the Jubilee and Northern Line stocks - they are horrendously uncomfortable. Like sitting on a metal slab with a sliver of fabric on the top. I don't know why they just didn't copy Hong Kong MTR have just have metal side seats. At least then you can hosepipe the interior clean! Yes and on a brighter note, less compacted dust emerges when you smack the seating! Glad I don't use the Bakerloo or Picc lines often! |
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