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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 21, 2019 18:38:06 GMT
Well yes. This re casting of the bus network could be to remove the need for it to be fixed in any hurry.
If the 485 was removed it would atleast take away some of the need for so many buses to stand at south of the bridge and maybe reduce the PVR on the 33 so only 2 max buses were standing.
I did also think a way of linking Barnes to Hammersmith could be the 209 starting at wetlands then running the opposite wad through Mortlake (pass the end of Avondale road) then over Chiswick bridge to Hammersmith. So it would be a Hammersmith-Ravenscourt Park-Chis brg-Mortlake-Barnes route. 72 could be split in 2 either side of the bridge of divert via Lower Richmond Road and Putney bridge to Hammersmith and beyond.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 21, 2019 18:45:12 GMT
The 266 is expected to get some ex 94 ADHs I think you may be mistaken! Nothing has been announced for the 94, which would indicate that (at least from the start of the contract), the existing vehicles will be used. More likely that it will be other spare vehicles from route cut backs on the 27, E3 and probably the loss of the 81 - All are youthful enough for a new contract on the 266. RP makes perfect sense, as it is on line of route, and also Tower Transit used to run the route from there. I said expected deliberately to state that it is speculated to be the most likely outcome
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 21, 2019 18:57:13 GMT
There hasn't actually be any actual announcement that the 94 will get new buses. As far as confirmed the route is being cut to Marble Arch so the question is could it be 16 reg VHs, 62 reg ADHs and at the time of the tender announcement it could have even been possible to be 60 reg ADHs on the reduced service.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 21, 2019 19:15:00 GMT
There hasn't actually be any actual announcement that the 94 will get new buses. As far as confirmed the route is being cut to Marble Arch so the question is could it be 16 reg VHs, 62 reg ADHs and at the time of the tender announcement it could have even been possible to be 60 reg ADHs on the reduced service. Yes, but I find the rumour the 94 is getting electric buses far more believable than the speculation the 29 was getting electric buses which it obviously isn’t. S have been promised an all electric fleet by 2020 and the 94 tender award came out a long time in advance as is the norm for electric buses. I’m not saying the 94 will definitely get electric buses but I think there is good reason to suggest so
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 21, 2019 19:28:35 GMT
It wouldn't necessarily be cost effective to move the 72 and 148 out of S plus they could regain the 49 in the future which is likely to not be for electric buses so this idea S will be all electric next year is probably not going to happen and the fact that there are plenty of compliant buses just like the 29 means it could easily stay as it is.
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Post by snowman on Apr 21, 2019 20:03:12 GMT
There hasn't actually be any actual announcement that the 94 will get new buses. As far as confirmed the route is being cut to Marble Arch so the question is could it be 16 reg VHs, 62 reg ADHs and at the time of the tender announcement it could have even been possible to be 60 reg ADHs on the reduced service. Yes, but I find the rumour the 94 is getting electric buses far more believable than the speculation the 29 was getting electric buses which it obviously isn’t. S have been promised an all electric fleet by 2020 and the 94 tender award came out a long time in advance as is the norm for electric buses. I’m not saying the 94 will definitely get electric buses but I think there is good reason to suggest so If it isn’t the 94 then something else is going electric (and clearly not 148 as that uses NRMs) If another route is not being converted then why did they install the extra charging points, don’t need 39 charging points for 36 buses The E3 has already been cut (twice), the 94 has been cut, and expected to be shortened, the 27 also already cut. The 266 is going to need 26 buses which is far more than any further cuts could muster. Don’t forget there is also a proposed 306 (the double deck Fulham end of the split 391) also possibly happening in December
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 21, 2019 20:09:21 GMT
There is still a possibility of the ADEs from the 81 going to the 266 plus the ADHs from the 94.
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Post by redbus on Apr 21, 2019 20:09:49 GMT
It wouldn't necessarily be cost effective to move the 72 and 148 out of S plus they could regain the 49 in the future which is likely to not be for electric buses so this idea S will be all electric next year is probably not going to happen and the fact that there are plenty of compliant buses just like the 29 means it could easily stay as it is. On what basis S has been promised an all electric fleet by 2020. For any garage to have this, the parent company, here RATP, would need to win sufficient electric routes and place them at the specified garage. Maybe you have insider knowledge, but I don't know of enough routes that are in way confirmed as being electric that RATP have to fill S. At the moment it is speculation that the 94 is going electric, it doesn't seem likely to me that it is anything like 100% confirmed as electric, for if it were surely it would have been announced already.
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Post by george on Apr 21, 2019 20:14:54 GMT
It wouldn't necessarily be cost effective to move the 72 and 148 out of S plus they could regain the 49 in the future which is likely to not be for electric buses so this idea S will be all electric next year is probably not going to happen and the fact that there are plenty of compliant buses just like the 29 means it could easily stay as it is. On what basis S has been promised an all electric fleet by 2020. For any garage to have this, the parent company, here RATP, would need to win sufficient electric routes and place them at the specified garage. Maybe you have insider knowledge, but I don't know of enough routes that are in way confirmed as being electric that RATP have to fill S. At the moment it is speculation that the 94 is going electric, it doesn't seem likely to me that it is anything like 100% confirmed as electric, for if it were surely it would have been announced already. It has been an ongoing rumour that S will be fully electric for a few years now. Although I doubt S will become fully Electric I do think it's very likely that the 94 will become electric it all adds up.
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Post by redbus on Apr 21, 2019 20:42:10 GMT
On what basis S has been promised an all electric fleet by 2020. For any garage to have this, the parent company, here RATP, would need to win sufficient electric routes and place them at the specified garage. Maybe you have insider knowledge, but I don't know of enough routes that are in way confirmed as being electric that RATP have to fill S. At the moment it is speculation that the 94 is going electric, it doesn't seem likely to me that it is anything like 100% confirmed as electric, for if it were surely it would have been announced already. It has been an ongoing rumour that S will be fully electric for a few years now. Although I doubt S will become fully Electric I do think it's very likely that the 94 will become electric it all adds up. The other side of the argument could be for the 94 to retain its existing buses which would no doubt be cheaper.
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Post by george on Apr 21, 2019 20:43:33 GMT
It has been an ongoing rumour that S will be fully electric for a few years now. Although I doubt S will become fully Electric I do think it's very likely that the 94 will become electric it all adds up. The other side of the argument could be for the 94 to retain its existing buses which would no doubt be cheaper. True but then what does the 266 get?
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Post by rif153 on Apr 21, 2019 20:47:43 GMT
It has been an ongoing rumour that S will be fully electric for a few years now. Although I doubt S will become fully Electric I do think it's very likely that the 94 will become electric it all adds up. The other side of the argument could be for the 94 to retain its existing buses which would no doubt be cheaper. Remember RATP have a lot of SPs that will not be compliant for the ULEZ's expansion in 2020. Unless existing SPs are converted to EuroVI, buying new buses for the 94 would give garages such as FW for instance more compliant buses. Even if some SPs are upgraded to EuroVI, TFL will want to minimise the number of buses that need to be converted because of the expense of upgrading SPs. The third option is to allow SP routes to be exempt from the ULEZ until their contracts are renewed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 21:07:13 GMT
On what basis S has been promised an all electric fleet by 2020. For any garage to have this, the parent company, here RATP, would need to win sufficient electric routes and place them at the specified garage. Maybe you have insider knowledge, but I don't know of enough routes that are in way confirmed as being electric that RATP have to fill S. At the moment it is speculation that the 94 is going electric, it doesn't seem likely to me that it is anything like 100% confirmed as electric, for if it were surely it would have been announced already. It has been an ongoing rumour that S will be fully electric for a few years now. Although I doubt S will become fully Electric I do think it's very likely that the 94 will become electric it all adds up. Not a rumour, see below quote from their chief executive “RATP Dev London's strategic move to convert our Shepherd's Bush garage to zero emissions operations is closely aligned to the policy of our parent company to convert its Paris bus fleet to zero emissions operations. We are committed to playing a leading role in the sector in the energy transition and there is close dialogue between the London and Paris operations over the technical, operational and commercial aspects of this transformation." Might take a while though because it obviously depends on TfL agreeing or them being awarded contracts accordingly.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 21, 2019 21:08:15 GMT
If any SPs are retained would it would be best for those on the 65 (406), 111 and H32 which could run till 2023-24 if contract extensions are granted. The 71 and 281 are up in 2021 so possibly be better to order say 40 new VHs then if retained great buses are already in place like Metroline have done before. If lost then can move to another route. If no desire to upgrade any then a large order to oust all by 2020 and maybe the 94 could be upgraded and a less central route like the H32 could use the current ADH/VHs from the 94.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 22, 2019 7:41:21 GMT
If any SPs are retained would it would be best for those on the 65 (406), 111 and H32 which could run till 2023-24 if contract extensions are granted. The 71 and 281 are up in 2021 so possibly be better to order say 40 new VHs then if retained great buses are already in place like Metroline have done before. If lost then can move to another route. If no desire to upgrade any then a large order to oust all by 2020 and maybe the 94 could be upgraded and a less central route like the H32 could use the current ADH/VHs from the 94. Its a very finely poised situation. RATP gains would make it harder to make the routes with SPs who's contracts don't run out for a while to convert to EuroVI in time. On the other hand, more RATP losses would allow them to offload more SPs or shuffle EuroVI buses accordingly. For example, the loss of the 81 allows RATP to offload more SPs but RATP may wish to use the 81's ADEs elswhere
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