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Post by george on Apr 29, 2019 11:48:57 GMT
The bus stops at Barnes Pond have been amended to show 419 along with the ones along Church Street. Looks like the 419 will divert off at Barnes Bridge Stn stop and follow the 209 to the Pond. Looks like the hail and ride section to Lonsdale will be lost which seems odd as it will leave those backstreets bus less. Also makes it just a carbon copy of the 209 from Avondale road to Barnes Pond. I also saw the Barnes/Red Lion stop towards Hammersmith has a blue 72 nights only square yet the day 72 still dropped us off there. I thought the plan was to just extend the 419 along castelnau so it would still serve the hail and ride section?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 29, 2019 12:20:19 GMT
That was what I thought was going to happen aswell as a way of bringing the 419 closer to the Bridge (the current last stop is about an 8 min walk to the Bridge alone making the walk from the 419 to Hammersmith bus station very long and off putting) and to relive some pressure on the Lonsdale Road stand currently housing the 33, 209 and 485.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 12:39:48 GMT
The bus stops at Barnes Pond have been amended to show 419 along with the ones along Church Street. Looks like the 419 will divert off at Barnes Bridge Stn stop and follow the 209 to the Pond. Looks like the hail and ride section to Lonsdale will be lost which seems odd as it will leave those backstreets bus less. Also makes it just a carbon copy of the 209 from Avondale road to Barnes Pond. I also saw the Barnes/Red Lion stop towards Hammersmith has a blue 72 nights only square yet the day 72 still dropped us off there. That’s interesting about the 419. TfL can’t withdraw the hail and ride section on a whim like that. There will be uproar if they have. It is well used.
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Post by george on Apr 29, 2019 12:41:31 GMT
The bus stops at Barnes Pond have been amended to show 419 along with the ones along Church Street. Looks like the 419 will divert off at Barnes Bridge Stn stop and follow the 209 to the Pond. Looks like the hail and ride section to Lonsdale will be lost which seems odd as it will leave those backstreets bus less. Also makes it just a carbon copy of the 209 from Avondale road to Barnes Pond. I also saw the Barnes/Red Lion stop towards Hammersmith has a blue 72 nights only square yet the day 72 still dropped us off there. That’s interesting about the 419. TfL can’t withdraw the hail and ride section on a whim like that. There will be uproar if they have. It is well used. Maybe they will make the 72 use the hail and ride section. Altough it would make the route unreliable IMO.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 29, 2019 12:47:23 GMT
Maybe the 485 will link around to serve it.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 29, 2019 14:46:21 GMT
I hope TFL don't leave Lonsdale Road unserved, that would be a real shame and would make the residents there who as it is only have a bus service to the South Side of Hammersmith Bridge even more cut off. Merging the 419 and 485 would take a lot of pressure of the Lonsdale Road stand but obviously the 419 has 4bph and the 485 only has 2bph and the 485 doesn't run on Sundays, merging the routes is too much of a headache to bother with. The 419 extension to Barnes Pond is a good idea and it looks like the 419 to Barnes Pond will effectively replace the 209 when that route is most likely diverted via Putney Bridge. It'll probably be curtains for the 485, there's no point keep it if the 209 is going to Putney Bridge and I would imagine the 209 will serve the Wetlands Centre too. The only sticking point is the Wandsworth section where I could see the 485 not being replaced, I don't think 265 to Wandsworth will happen and to be honest in the current financial climate TFL would rather every 220 and 270 is rammed to the door then having more buses which the loads are spread out between
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Post by danorak on Apr 29, 2019 15:18:36 GMT
I hope TFL don't leave Lonsdale Road unserved, that would be a real shame and would make the residents there who as it is only have a bus service to the South Side of Hammersmith Bridge even more cut off. Merging the 419 and 485 would take a lot of pressure of the Lonsdale Road stand but obviously the 419 has 4bph and the 485 only has 2bph and the 485 doesn't run on Sundays, merging the routes is too much of a headache to bother with. The 419 extension to Barnes Pond is a good idea and it looks like the 419 to Barnes Pond will effectively replace the 209 when that route is most likely diverted via Putney Bridge. It'll probably be curtains for the 485, there's no point keep it if the 209 is going to Putney Bridge and I would imagine the 209 will serve the Wetlands Centre too. The only sticking point is the Wandsworth section where I could see the 485 not being replaced, I don't think 265 to Wandsworth will happen and to be honest in the current financial climate TFL would rather every 220 and 270 is rammed to the door then having more buses which the loads are spread out between Once again I find myself referring to Roger Torode's excellent 'Privatising London's Buses' book. There's a section in there about London United being set up as a separate unit under David Humphrey. At an informal Parliamentary event to introduce the new managers to local MPs, the then MP Jeremy Hanley lost no time in approaching him about the importance of Lonsdale Road. Taking this back to the then Cardinal District planning office, he found out that a top person in London Buses (John Telford Beasley) had also been pressing the case, but they took the view that there was sufficient capacity on the 9. David Humphrey duly noted that influential people wanted this route and so the R69 was born...
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 29, 2019 17:01:35 GMT
Seems odd aswell as if the 209 diverts to Putney Bridge then Castlenau/Hammersmith loose a link to Mortlake.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 29, 2019 17:37:27 GMT
Once again I find myself referring to Roger Torode's excellent 'Privatising London's Buses' book. There's a section in there about London United being set up as a separate unit under David Humphrey. At an informal Parliamentary event to introduce the new managers to local MPs, the then MP Jeremy Hanley lost no time in approaching him about the importance of Lonsdale Road. Taking this back to the then Cardinal District planning office, he found out that a top person in London Buses (John Telford Beasley) had also been pressing the case, but they took the view that there was sufficient capacity on the 9. David Humphrey duly noted that influential people wanted this route and so the R69 was born... Perhaps we need to send the Bus Service planning department a copy of Roger's book?
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 29, 2019 19:36:11 GMT
Where is this idea coming from that Lonsdale Road is losing its service?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 29, 2019 20:11:12 GMT
We don't know for sure but evidence shows the 419 is diverting to Barnes Pond instead.
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Post by thelondonthing on Apr 29, 2019 20:38:44 GMT
I don't see why TfL would decide to withdraw service completely from such a large area - an area for which, until recently, it was planning to introduce a new direct connection to Twickenham and Hounslow by merging the 419 with the 110. Given that TfL had previously viewed such connections as advantageous, it strikes me as odd that it would now abandon the Lonsdale Road area entirely, especially when a curtailment and diversion to Barnes Pond would add very little in the way of new connections.
As others have suggested, I believe it makes far more sense to continue running the 419 via Lonsdale Road to the south side of the bridge, then re-route it down Castelnau and on to Barnes Pond from there. Such an extension would at least connect those in the Lonsdale Road area directly with local shops and restaurants/bars at Barnes Pond/Village, while maintaining existing links to broader amenities in Richmond.
One question: could extending from Lonsdale Road to Barnes Pond (rather than direct from Barnes Bridge to Pond) be manageable with the existing PVR for the 419, taking a similar amount of time to reach stand compared with running through to Hammersmith as normal? If it is, that might make it easier for TfL and London United to manage changes (such as having to devise an entirely new timetable to accommodate the need for more or fewer buses to operate the revised route) in the interim until TfL is ready to merge the 419 and 110, whether to Barnes Pond or, eventually, Hammersmith.
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Post by george on Apr 29, 2019 20:45:41 GMT
We don't know for sure but evidence shows the 419 is diverting to Barnes Pond instead. So this evening decided to take a quick bike ride to the pond to see these new tiles. What is interesting is that the stop heading towards Hammersmith the 419 tile says "alighting point only" which is pointless as there is no turning point there. unfortunately a timetable hasn't been added so no clues to where the route will go after that.
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 29, 2019 23:04:38 GMT
In the interests of rumour control, I think it's best to avoid starting a panic on withdrawal of the 419 from the Lonsdale Road area. This is on the basis that I can't find anything in the public domain that suggests this might be the case so it may be best to wait for official information from TfL to come to light on that one.
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Post by george on Apr 29, 2019 23:46:59 GMT
In the interests of rumour control, I think it's best to avoid starting a panic on withdrawal of the 419 from the Lonsdale Road area. This is on the basis that I can't find anything in the public domain that suggests this might be the case so it may be best to wait for official information from TfL to come to light on that one. I would normally agree but Tfl aren't just going to add tiles to a bus stop if it's not going to happen.
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