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Post by rj131 on Jul 12, 2019 17:40:59 GMT
Question about this new 378 as I’ve only just found out about this. It’s going to be running from Mortlake to Putney Bridge, just as the current 209 routeing does now. Does this mean the new is essentially just a renumbering of the current 209 (and most probably a lower frequency considering how dead it is atm) or is it being tweaked somewhere mid route to be something different? The 209 and 378 will both run every 12 minutes. The 378 will follow the route of the present 209 with the 209 being altered to run Mortlake-Castelnau That sounds quite sensible to be honest. Hopefully the 378 will become a bit busier now with a lower frequency, and the 209 was never going to be as busy as soon as Hammersmith bridge closed no matter what routeing they gave it. I presume this new 209/378 arrangement will replace the current 209 contract GAL will be taking over and operated with the same new 10.5 SEs that should be arriving imminently? (I presume the new PVRs will match up to the old planned 209 PVR of 10) Also the London Bus on the Go blog has just reported on it and in the last paragraph it brands the Hammersmith Bridge related changes ‘a shambles’, and I have to say I think this is a very harsh statement. After the bridge closed there was never going to be a way of reshuffling the routes that matched the same convenience as before, so TfL did what they could, made some changes to see what worked (how could anyone know what people’s exact travel patterns will be post bridge closure) and to be fair to them they’re trying to iron out any initial problems that are occurring (ie 33 overcrowding by increasing the PVR, the 209’s uselessness etc). Therefore I completely retract my cynical comment I made a few weeks ago about a tweet addressing the 33’s overcrowding and TfL’s seemingly flippent ‘thanks, we will look into it’ reply, as they acted on it very quickly. Yes publicity could have been better, but considering these changes pretty much happened overnight and very suddenly, *on this occasion* (not making excuses for their previous atrocious lack of publicity on previous changes) there was only so much they could do. So contrary to what some people may think about these changes, I think TfL deserve some credit here for trying their best and actually acting upon issues as quickly as they did on bits they didn’t foresee, they were never gonna get it perfect straight away. A lot of negativity around at the moment so I think it’s time to make a positive out of something for once.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2019 18:20:18 GMT
The 209 and 378 will both run every 12 minutes. The 378 will follow the route of the present 209 with the 209 being altered to run Mortlake-Castelnau That sounds quite sensible to be honest. Hopefully the 378 will become a bit busier now with a lower frequency, and the 209 was never going to be as busy as soon as Hammersmith bridge closed no matter what routeing they gave it. I presume this new 209/378 arrangement will replace the current 209 contract GAL will be taking over and operated with the same new 10.5 SEs that should be arriving imminently? (I presume the new PVRs will match up to the old planned 209 PVR of 10) Also the London Bus on the Go blog has just reported on it and in the last paragraph it brands the Hammersmith Bridge related changes ‘a shambles’, and I have to say I think this is a very harsh statement. After the bridge closed there was never going to be a way of reshuffling the routes that matched the same convenience as before, so TfL did what they could, made some changes to see what worked (how could anyone know what people’s exact travel patterns will be post bridge closure) and to be fair to them they’re trying to iron out any initial problems that are occurring (ie 33 overcrowding by increasing the PVR, the 209’s uselessness etc). Therefore I completely retract my cynical comment I made a few weeks ago about a tweet addressing the 33’s overcrowding and TfL’s seemingly flippent ‘thanks, we will look into it’ reply, as they acted on it very quickly. Yes publicity could have been better, but considering these changes pretty much happened overnight and very suddenly, *on this occasion* (not making excuses for their previous atrocious lack of publicity on previous changes) there was only so much they could do. So contrary to what some people may think about these changes, I think TfL deserve some credit here for trying their best and actually acting upon issues as quickly as they did on bits they didn’t foresee, they were never gonna get it perfect straight away. A lot of negativity around at the moment so I think it’s time to make a positive out of something for once. I agree that 'shambles' is too strong a word for these changes as they could of easily done nothing but equally, I don't think they're that good personally but each to their own on that one TfL's communication on the hand could probably be more justified for the word 'shambles'.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 13, 2019 10:54:32 GMT
An article on Hammersmith Bridge states that a decision will be made on the bridge's future in August. With three options - full repair, partial repair with weight restrictions, or permanently closed to traffic (pedestrians and cycles only).
So TFL will not be wanting to make any significant changes to the bus routes in the area, until a decision is confirmed. We may see more extensive and permanent changes announced in the future, if the decision is made not to carry out any repairs.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 13, 2019 16:36:27 GMT
I think it would be a shame to waste money on just a partial repair that would probably need more money spent on it (and disruptions again) in the future.
The permanent closure would have to see a total recast of the bus network there and major improvements to the other bridges to take the displaced cars.
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Post by snowman on Jul 15, 2019 19:06:38 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jul 15, 2019 22:45:54 GMT
The answer to the question regarding the 22 is a little hypocritical personally: Route 22
Could route 22 be extended to Barnes?
We are not currently considering extending the route 22 to Barnes. It would extend an already long route which impact route reliability and be expensive compared to the benefits. The current diversion of the 209 gives a high frequency link between Barnes and Putney Bridge where passengers can change to the 22.Yet TfL were only to happy the lengthen the already long 88 for example even further or worsen the 112's reliability with it's North Finchley proposal. Why throw in information that contradicts yourself - just say expensive compared to the benefits if thats the case and be done with it.
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Post by thelondonthing on Jul 16, 2019 0:17:57 GMT
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Post by rm1422 on Jul 16, 2019 9:57:14 GMT
378 now official...Taken from the TfL Permanent bus changes page...
Route 209 - Rerouted
From Saturday 3 August route 209 will be changed with buses rerouted at Barnes High Street via Church Road, Barnes Red Lion and Castlenau to terminate at the south side of Hammersmith Bridge. At Hammersmith Bridge you can then walk across the bridge to the north side where you will find route 72 buses to take you on to Hammersmith Station.
Route 209 will run every 8 minutes during the day Monday to Friday and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Saturday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0700, every 8 minutes during the day and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Sunday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0800 and then every 10 minutes for the rest of the day.
The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0503. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0050 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0103. These times apply on every day of the week.
For stops between Barnes High Street and Putney Bridge please use new route 378 instead. New route 378 - Rerouted
From Saturday 3 August new route 378 will be introduced between Mortlake, Avondale Road and Putney Bridge Station. Buses will run via Avondale Road, Mortlake High Street, The Terrace, Barnes Bridge Station, Barnes High Street, Church Road, Station Road, Mill Hill Road, Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge.
On Monday to Saturdays route 378 will run every 15 minutes before 0630 (0830 on Saturdays) and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. On Sunday's route 378 will run every 20 minutes before 0740, then every 15 minutes until 0855 and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day.
The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from Putney Bridge at 0505. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0055 and from Putney Bridge at 0101. These times apply on every day of the week.
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Post by thelondonthing on Jul 16, 2019 11:40:26 GMT
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 16, 2019 15:22:19 GMT
378 now official...Taken from the TfL Permanent bus changes page... Route 209 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August route 209 will be changed with buses rerouted at Barnes High Street via Church Road, Barnes Red Lion and Castlenau to terminate at the south side of Hammersmith Bridge. At Hammersmith Bridge you can then walk across the bridge to the north side where you will find route 72 buses to take you on to Hammersmith Station. Route 209 will run every 8 minutes during the day Monday to Friday and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Saturday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0700, every 8 minutes during the day and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Sunday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0800 and then every 10 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0503. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0050 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0103. These times apply on every day of the week. For stops between Barnes High Street and Putney Bridge please use new route 378 instead. New route 378 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August new route 378 will be introduced between Mortlake, Avondale Road and Putney Bridge Station. Buses will run via Avondale Road, Mortlake High Street, The Terrace, Barnes Bridge Station, Barnes High Street, Church Road, Station Road, Mill Hill Road, Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge. On Monday to Saturdays route 378 will run every 15 minutes before 0630 (0830 on Saturdays) and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. On Sunday's route 378 will run every 20 minutes before 0740, then every 15 minutes until 0855 and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from Putney Bridge at 0505. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0055 and from Putney Bridge at 0101. These times apply on every day of the week. So who is operating the 378? Is it Metroline just for the 2 weeks until it goes over to GAL with the 209? Is it GAL from the start or is it Metroline until further notice? Or could there another operator in the mix?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 16, 2019 15:59:24 GMT
I still don't know why TFL don't merge the route with the 485 which would allow the 485 to increase the 15 mins as planned (it could also run to Riverside as also planned) except now it would run to Mortlake instead of up Castelnau to Hammersmith Bridge.
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Post by lundnah on Jul 16, 2019 17:15:36 GMT
378 now official...Taken from the TfL Permanent bus changes page... Route 209 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August route 209 will be changed with buses rerouted at Barnes High Street via Church Road, Barnes Red Lion and Castlenau to terminate at the south side of Hammersmith Bridge. At Hammersmith Bridge you can then walk across the bridge to the north side where you will find route 72 buses to take you on to Hammersmith Station. Route 209 will run every 8 minutes during the day Monday to Friday and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Saturday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0700, every 8 minutes during the day and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Sunday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0800 and then every 10 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0503. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0050 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0103. These times apply on every day of the week. For stops between Barnes High Street and Putney Bridge please use new route 378 instead. New route 378 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August new route 378 will be introduced between Mortlake, Avondale Road and Putney Bridge Station. Buses will run via Avondale Road, Mortlake High Street, The Terrace, Barnes Bridge Station, Barnes High Street, Church Road, Station Road, Mill Hill Road, Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge. On Monday to Saturdays route 378 will run every 15 minutes before 0630 (0830 on Saturdays) and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. On Sunday's route 378 will run every 20 minutes before 0740, then every 15 minutes until 0855 and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from Putney Bridge at 0505. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0055 and from Putney Bridge at 0101. These times apply on every day of the week. So the new 209 is the original 209, terminating before Hammersmith Bridge, and the 378 is the current 209.
Why can't they explain this in simple language, rather than dressing everything up in street names and frequencies?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 23:04:42 GMT
both the 209 and 378 could be interworked
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Post by snowman on Jul 18, 2019 8:50:59 GMT
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Post by rm1422 on Jul 18, 2019 9:13:40 GMT
The 378 map doesn't show the temporary stop put in by Barnes Pond Putney bound to help those wanting to get on / off in the centre of Barnes - one of the big gripes about the original 209 change. In fact the description of the 378 on the permanent bus changes is misleading as it says it travels via Church Road when it doesn't. That's what the 209 will be doing!
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