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Post by snowman on Jul 18, 2019 9:24:13 GMT
The 378 map doesn't show the temporary stop put in by Barnes Pond Putney bound to help those wanting to get on / off in the centre of Barnes - one of the big gripes about the original 209 change. In fact the description of the 378 on the permanent bus changes is misleading as it says it travels via Church Road when it doesn't. That's what the 209 will be doing! Agree the stops are odd, nothing near Barnes station, and strangely 2 stops just before Putney Bridge 378 map
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 18, 2019 9:25:01 GMT
I still don't know why TFL don't merge the route with the 485 which would allow the 485 to increase the 15 mins as planned (it could also run to Riverside as also planned) except now it would run to Mortlake instead of up Castelnau to Hammersmith Bridge. There are many more extensive changes that could be made to the network in the area, such as your example of merging some of the shorter routes. It is expected that a decision will be announced next month on the future of Hammersmith Bridge - whether to leave the bridge permanently traffic-free, or to carry out either partial of full repairs. Partial would bring it close to the previous condition, allowing traffic but with weight restrictions, while a full repair could allow DDs to cross the bridge. I expect TFL may have proposals ready for different outcomes. Once this decision is known, and the possible timescales involved, more permanent route changes may be put in place.
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Post by WSD3 on Jul 19, 2019 6:49:11 GMT
Once the 378 starts to run. What will happen to the 265 shorts that are run from S?
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Post by george on Jul 19, 2019 6:55:53 GMT
Once the 378 starts to run. What will happen to the 265 shorts that are run from S? They will still run the 378 is replacing the 209 via its current route so 265 is not effected.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 19, 2019 12:26:20 GMT
The gross overbussing of the Lower Richmond Road should be partially solved by the 378 but really the 265 shorts are poor and should be withdrawn and replaced with a link between the Bridge and Roheampton
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 19, 2019 14:11:59 GMT
The gross overbussing of the Lower Richmond Road should be partially solved by the 378 but really the 265 shorts are poor and should be withdrawn and replaced with a link between the Bridge and Roheampton Extend the 419 from Barnes Pond to Roehampton would be a simple short term change.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 19, 2019 16:05:21 GMT
The gross overbussing of the Lower Richmond Road should be partially solved by the 378 but really the 265 shorts are poor and should be withdrawn and replaced with a link between the Bridge and Roheampton Extend the 419 from Barnes Pond to Roehampton would be a simple short term change. Roehampton-Hammersmith Bridge is a straight line. However, to get to Barnes Pond, 419s turn off Castelnau at Barnes to head to the Pond. It'd be more sensible to just withdraw the 419 between Barnes and the pond then extend it to Roehampton. The issue is that this makes the 419 a pain to operate, and the 419s frequency is poor, Roehampton deserves a more frequent link than a meagre 4bph to the bridge
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Post by george on Jul 19, 2019 17:12:14 GMT
The gross overbussing of the Lower Richmond Road should be partially solved by the 378 but really the 265 shorts are poor and should be withdrawn and replaced with a link between the Bridge and Roheampton At the moment the 265 shorts are very popular, although I do expect that residents would be happy for a service that goes to Hammersmith Bridge
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Post by rif153 on Jul 19, 2019 17:24:14 GMT
The gross overbussing of the Lower Richmond Road should be partially solved by the 378 but really the 265 shorts are poor and should be withdrawn and replaced with a link between the Bridge and Roheampton At the moment the 265 shorts are very popular, although I do expect that residents would be happy for a service that goes to Hammersmith Bridge The 265 shorts could be kept alongside the Roehampton-Bridge link just like the 209/378 situation
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 19, 2019 17:24:34 GMT
378 now official...Taken from the TfL Permanent bus changes page... Route 209 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August route 209 will be changed with buses rerouted at Barnes High Street via Church Road, Barnes Red Lion and Castlenau to terminate at the south side of Hammersmith Bridge. At Hammersmith Bridge you can then walk across the bridge to the north side where you will find route 72 buses to take you on to Hammersmith Station. Route 209 will run every 8 minutes during the day Monday to Friday and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Saturday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0700, every 8 minutes during the day and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Sunday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0800 and then every 10 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0503. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0050 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0103. These times apply on every day of the week. For stops between Barnes High Street and Putney Bridge please use new route 378 instead. New route 378 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August new route 378 will be introduced between Mortlake, Avondale Road and Putney Bridge Station. Buses will run via Avondale Road, Mortlake High Street, The Terrace, Barnes Bridge Station, Barnes High Street, Church Road, Station Road, Mill Hill Road, Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge. On Monday to Saturdays route 378 will run every 15 minutes before 0630 (0830 on Saturdays) and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. On Sunday's route 378 will run every 20 minutes before 0740, then every 15 minutes until 0855 and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from Putney Bridge at 0505. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0055 and from Putney Bridge at 0101. These times apply on every day of the week. Any idea what the PVR will be of the revised 209 and new 378? Will the 209 eventually return to Hammersmith once the bridge finally reopens?
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Post by rif153 on Jul 19, 2019 17:28:29 GMT
378 now official...Taken from the TfL Permanent bus changes page... Route 209 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August route 209 will be changed with buses rerouted at Barnes High Street via Church Road, Barnes Red Lion and Castlenau to terminate at the south side of Hammersmith Bridge. At Hammersmith Bridge you can then walk across the bridge to the north side where you will find route 72 buses to take you on to Hammersmith Station. Route 209 will run every 8 minutes during the day Monday to Friday and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Saturday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0700, every 8 minutes during the day and every 10 minutes during the evening. On Sunday's route 209 will run every 15 minutes before 0800 and then every 10 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0503. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0050 and from the south side of Hammersmith Bridge at 0103. These times apply on every day of the week. For stops between Barnes High Street and Putney Bridge please use new route 378 instead. New route 378 - Rerouted From Saturday 3 August new route 378 will be introduced between Mortlake, Avondale Road and Putney Bridge Station. Buses will run via Avondale Road, Mortlake High Street, The Terrace, Barnes Bridge Station, Barnes High Street, Church Road, Station Road, Mill Hill Road, Lower Richmond Road and Putney Bridge. On Monday to Saturdays route 378 will run every 15 minutes before 0630 (0830 on Saturdays) and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. On Sunday's route 378 will run every 20 minutes before 0740, then every 15 minutes until 0855 and then every 12 minutes for the rest of the day. The first bus will depart from Mortlake at 0500 and from Putney Bridge at 0505. The last bus will depart from Mortlake at 0055 and from Putney Bridge at 0101. These times apply on every day of the week. Any idea what the PVR will be of the revised 209 and new 378? Will the 209 eventually return to Hammersmith once the bridge finally reopens? This all seems very short-sighted as once the bridge is strengthened I would have thought buses will resume crossing it. I don't understand why you think the 209/378 change is short-sighted. The bus network has to be optimised as a result of the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, and the 378 is a way of ensuring Barnes/Mortlake still have connections to the Underground at Putney Bridge. All the changes made are ultimately short sighted, but who knows how long it'll be until the bridge reopens to road traffic if at all. Its also entirely possible that the 378 is kept after the bridge reopens, something I would welcome, as it would maintain that Mortlake/Barnes Pond-Putney Bridge link.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 19, 2019 19:09:27 GMT
Extend the 419 from Barnes Pond to Roehampton would be a simple short term change. Roehampton-Hammersmith Bridge is a straight line. However, to get to Barnes Pond, 419s turn off Castelnau at Barnes to head to the Pond. It'd be more sensible to just withdraw the 419 between Barnes and the pond then extend it to Roehampton. The issue is that this makes the 419 a pain to operate, and the 419s frequency is poor, Roehampton deserves a more frequent link than a meagre 4bph to the bridge I agree the frequency is not ideal, this would just be a short term solution that could be implenented quickly, until the long term plan for the bridge is known next month. If the bridge is to remain closed permanently or for a substantial period of time, I would instead opt to restore route 72 to Roehampton, but via route 220 to Putney Bridge then the 265. This revised 72 could possibly be converted to DDs, and in addition I would extend the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge north side in replacement, and reroute the 265 to Hammersmith Bridge south side via the previous 72 routeing.
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Post by george on Jul 19, 2019 19:24:47 GMT
Roehampton-Hammersmith Bridge is a straight line. However, to get to Barnes Pond, 419s turn off Castelnau at Barnes to head to the Pond. It'd be more sensible to just withdraw the 419 between Barnes and the pond then extend it to Roehampton. The issue is that this makes the 419 a pain to operate, and the 419s frequency is poor, Roehampton deserves a more frequent link than a meagre 4bph to the bridge I agree the frequency is not ideal, this would just be a short term solution that could be implenented quickly, until the long term plan for the bridge is known next month. If the bridge is to remain closed permanently or for a substantial period of time, I would instead opt to restore route 72 to Roehampton, but via route 220 to Putney Bridge then the 265. This revised 72 could possibly be converted to DDs, and in addition I would extend the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge north side in replacement, and reroute the 265 to Hammersmith Bridge south side via the previous 72 routeing. Really like these ideas
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 19, 2019 20:29:38 GMT
I agree the frequency is not ideal, this would just be a short term solution that could be implenented quickly, until the long term plan for the bridge is known next month. If the bridge is to remain closed permanently or for a substantial period of time, I would instead opt to restore route 72 to Roehampton, but via route 220 to Putney Bridge then the 265. This revised 72 could possibly be converted to DDs, and in addition I would extend the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge north side in replacement, and reroute the 265 to Hammersmith Bridge south side via the previous 72 routeing. Really like these ideas If a permanent set of changes were to be put in place, in the event of Hammersmith Bridge being closed permanently or for a long period of time, I would also simplify the bus network in the area by merging some of the shorter routes together. I would increase the 485 to 3bhp, and reroute according to the previous consultation, and then merge with the 419, giving a Richmond-Wandsworth route looping via Castelnau and Barnes (relieving some more stand space at Lonsdale Road) - including the side streets served by the 419 and Barnes Wetland Centre. Could be increased to 4bhp if there is demand. Would also replace the 378, as the rerouted 485 would connect to the District Line at East Putney Station. Additionally, I would merge the revised 209 with the 533, operating from Hammersmith Bus Station to Lonsdale Road, going along the 533, but along Barnes High Street and Castelnau in both directions. Would have a frequency slightly reduced from the current 209 (maybe about 6bhp), and with some fixed bus stops added along Great West Road.
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Post by george on Jul 19, 2019 20:43:09 GMT
Additionally, I would merge the revised 209 with the 533, operating from Hammersmith Bus Station to Lonsdale Road, going along the 533, but along Barnes High Street and Castelnau in both directions. Would have a frequency slightly reduced from the current 209 (maybe about 6bhp), and with some fixed bus stops added along Great West Road. I wouldn't merge these two routes, the last stop on the 209 Mortlake Bus station is very popular with people crossing the railway line if you was to merge the 209 with the 533 this stop could no longer be served
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