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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 2, 2022 8:31:55 GMT
Routes 196 & 268, and 249 & 368, could swap numbers. There would be no problem as neither pair of routes meet. Then routes 268 & 368 would have notable sections in common with routes 68, 468 & X68.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 13:24:26 GMT
Route 417 is the only route ending 17 without any Metroline history.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 13:04:55 GMT
Then we could renumber route 34 to B5 and route 184 to B6. Then we would have additional examples of B routes meeting W routes as well as B1/W7 at Muswell Hill. On second thoughts, route 84 did for a while extend beyond Barnet to Arnos Grove, if not indeed Turnpike Lane. So, route 184 could be renumbered 84 then route 484 regain its previous number 184. Seriously? what kind of hair brained crackpot idea is this. Why on earth would you want to get rid of a long standing route number like 34 to some crap like B5. It is not as if the 34 is a local Barnet route. It stretches miles out of the area. Many of these prefix lettered route numbers were done for locality, like the W for Walthamstow network in 1988 and Woodford in 1989. Or W3, W21, W5 and way later W4 for Wood Green area. Or we had the S1,S2 for Stratford area in the 80's The B network was originally Barking when we had B1-5. Thankfully many at TfL would not support many of you guys insane ideas on renumbering for bragging rights. The purpose of this thread is routes we would like renumbered. So no, in this thread the idea of renumbering routes does not need to be criticised. Admittedly if this led to 2 routes with the same number interchanging it would render such a renumbering inapplicable.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 12:16:43 GMT
In Yes Minister Jum Hacker made a remark that if the country's going downhill you need to put your foot on the accelerator. Sir Humphrey asked whethe he meant the brake!
What seems to have happened here is that the Tories' fortunes were going downhill under Boris and they have put their foot on the accelerator.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 11:44:03 GMT
Thank you to both of you for confirming.
I had seen somewhere about quite a few stations losing direct Charing Cross services. This will of course affect people on here living in the areas concerned.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 11:41:40 GMT
Then again next Saturday October 8th. I admit to keep forgetting which Union is striking on which day.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 11:23:46 GMT
Is Great British Railways about to hit the buffers? Since covid the industry has lost £2billion of revenue, and is struggling with failing infrastructure, a wave of industrial unrest that shows no signs of going away anytime soon, and collapsing services, especially Avanti West Coast although other operators are also struggling to operate services reliably. A lack of a sense of direction is demoralising civil servants tasked with changing the structure following the ending of franchising. Reform may now come from a different direction - the Labour Party has now made a firm commitment to take Britain's railways back into public ownership once in government, by renationalising trans operators as contracts expire, a pledge that was affirmed at Party Conference this week. www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/28/great-british-railways-is-dead-rail-industry-at-lowest-ebb-since-the-days-of-railtrackAnd East Coast, Northern and South Eastern are doing so much better than the other franchises! Not all the time. Northern Rail delayed my arrival back into Manchester by nearly 3 hours on Sept 18th.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 11:21:19 GMT
I think 17 pages have been added in a week. I can't read them all (especially while working from home on the phones) but wonder what happened to trigger so many posts?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 10:25:56 GMT
CityZap is to cease operating after 19th November 2022. Post=pandemic loadings have only returned to 50% of their previous figures, due to changes in working/commuting patterns and a reduction in discretionary journeys for leisure purposes as the cost-of-living increases start to bite. Passengers still wanting a fast bus journey between Leeds and York can easily be accommodated on the Coastliner route. The five ADL Enviro400 MMC that were purchased for the route in 2020 are to be taken off the CityZap service imminently (other vehicles will be substituted for the final few weeks of operation) and will be prepared for service elsewhere, likely in West Yorkshire. Source: www.focustransport.org/2022/09/city-zap-to-cease-running-on-november.htmlThey are being transferred to routes X98/99 (Leeds-Wetherby) which Transdev are taking over from First Leeds.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 9:35:49 GMT
I am concerned in case DWS decide to withdraw more Stagecoach routes than Stagecoach plc would have done as supporters of public transport
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 8:28:51 GMT
It occurs to me that new BYDs for Stagecoach route 160 have led to the withdrawal of Arriva E400s, which have now landed up with First (in Essex)!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 8:20:27 GMT
I know the VWH have 187 on the blinds, can they actually do the route, if so surprised it hasn’t happened! Even 487 has had a vwh on it and it hasn’t been at WJ as long as 187 187 used to be a decked route and was longer (Finchley to Harrow), which also immediately clears 487 I remember route 187 being Hampstead Heath to South Harrow, but probably in 2 overlapping sections as some journeys started from West Kilburn, now Queen's Park Station. Route 187 was replaced by route 46 in the area.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 8:14:27 GMT
How long have the Merc Citaro's got left on the 108? Until the end of the current tender in 2023. Suppose route 507 SEe's are not needed once the route 11/507 changes happen, I wonder whether these could move to route 108?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 8:01:51 GMT
VDWs should be the first ones to leave. As I said the 13reg ones available could go back to BT for the 340 + 3/4 other VHs (ex TT ones as well) to form the TVR. If the 639/670 continue to use G3 VHs in the long term, that releases 11x 13reg in total (with the 340 needing 10). It was also suggested that the 340 could use VMHs, to keep all of the type at one place. However, I'm not sure there's much advantage in this, as there's no guarantee the 13 will stay at BT in the long term. The fact that the 226's start date is being delayed to coincide with the 142 loss suggests that the 13 move to BT is more to do with drivers than cost or anything else. It allows the 142 drivers to move to the 13, and the current 13 drivers at X to the 226. But if BT were to win anything in the future, such as the 221, it seems likely the 13 might move back to X again. I doubt that BT/SO/CP would have space for any new work, and doubt RP would either.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 1, 2022 7:55:57 GMT
It’s amazing how RATP’s growth has grown in NW London. When they gain the 226 they get a little bigger. They get a little bit bigger in Cricklewood and Willesden. They also get more coverage in Harlesden. At one point Harlesden was nearly fully metroline, now RATP have 18,220,228, 266 and will add 226 to the list, in fact Harlesden is more RATP then Metroline if I am not mistaken. Very sad indeed IMO. There seems to have been a swap with Metroline routes in Harlesden & Wembley going to RATP but Hounslow RATP routes to Metroline. There have been counter-examples too, such as routes 117 & H17. Oh that reminds me. I believe every route ending 17 has Metroline history apart from route 417. I suppose this point may belong in the Trivial but Unique thread though.
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