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Post by busdryver on Dec 13, 2020 9:17:20 GMT
Comments made by the MD of RATP Dev London would indicate their plan is to convert three of their ten garages to electric. So FW and SO would appear to be the chosen ones to join S. Obviously timescale all depends on tenders. Could it just mean that 3 additional garages with start to use electric buses (Harrow, Fulwell, and Stamford Brook) It doesn’t say 100%, just that they will have electric...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 12, 2020 21:12:12 GMT
Lots of fleet moves tonight, and from what I understand, some Scanias going back on to the 183. Hounslow expecting a few VHs as well to finish the 423 allocations and a few DEs being withdrawn as well for training conversion. Expect a lot more during the spring as the fleet is prepared for the incoming routes in May, September and October... With some of the SPs moving back to the 183, are AV expected any buses to replace them? Two SPs move from Route 203... one theoretically from the 423... the two MCLs are released from the H37 as there was a PVR reduction... so, a few move up and a few also go from Fulwell... I also understand that there is a bit of a swap as well with Fulwell for some reason.:.
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Post by busdryver on Dec 12, 2020 13:08:35 GMT
Is the 110 not going to be converted over to DD? Where did that one come from - DLEs through and through...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 12, 2020 10:09:39 GMT
DLE30025 is at SO and was last seen on the H11 on the 7th. As for DLE30024, it might stay as part of the 272 at V as the 110 may take 8 MMC's from V which leaves 8 left and the 272 has 9 buses including the spare IIRC. DLE30025 is currently VOR since the 7th. It is technically the bus for the VH18 at Harrow...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 11, 2020 21:54:44 GMT
I believe they are due over the weekend.. Would you happen to know what specific buses are moving to AV for the 110? All of those currently on the 391 are expected at Hounslow tonight - I think they will be delivered as soon as service finishes and they get reblinded...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 11, 2020 19:52:51 GMT
Lots of fleet moves tonight, and from what I understand, some Scanias going back on to the 183. Hounslow expecting a few VHs as well to finish the 423 allocations and a few DEs being withdrawn as well for training conversion. Expect a lot more during the spring as the fleet is prepared for the incoming routes in May, September and October... So are VH45255-VH45257 not moving to AV? I believe they are due over the weekend..
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Post by busdryver on Dec 11, 2020 19:47:08 GMT
Have heard that VH45156-62 are expected to move to TV for route 418 with the loss of the 306. Haven't heard anything about where VH45124-25 or VH45184-6 might be going though? I think I remember busdryver mentioning that they would move to the 183. Lots of fleet moves tonight, and from what I understand, some Scanias going back on to the 183. Hounslow expecting a few VHs as well to finish the 423 allocations and a few DEs being withdrawn as well for training conversion. Expect a lot more during the spring as the fleet is prepared for the incoming routes in May, September and October...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 2, 2020 19:22:28 GMT
Well done to RATP for winning the 117. Ahhhh. Looks like RATP are on a run now Looking forward to this one
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Post by busdryver on Dec 2, 2020 19:21:51 GMT
Just spotted elsewhere, the following orders for the recent tender wins have been alledglly placed.. FW- 55 AD BYD 10.9m/ 65/281 20x 10.9m AD 10.9 m for the 290 & 371 LS- 38 AD BYD 10.9m 183 & X140 22 AD BYD 10.9m H9 & H10 is it True or false? Since a DLE going on the 398 was banned being 10.9m, could this be a slight issue. The H9/10 might also have an issue at Harrow Leisure Centre especially with a tight turn The numbers don’t add up correctly - the DD on 371 are missing, the H9/10 and 398 are both size limited to max 10.5, so the 10.9s won’t fit... Plus nothing for the 49 either... Looks to be someone guessing!
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Post by busdryver on Dec 2, 2020 6:32:05 GMT
Will DDs be allowed on the new 110? The 110 currently does not appear on the AV Double Deck blind set...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 2, 2020 6:31:21 GMT
The 110 is not running from V, it is AV, with a PVR of 14 not 15. Unusually LBR is not correct... everything else looks right from what I know... I think AV was confirmed previously, but it might have been changed following recent tender results, e.g. if the E1 is run from AV and needs space 🤷♂️ 110 is AV - NOT V...
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Post by busdryver on Dec 1, 2020 20:37:13 GMT
Some new PVRs from 12 Dec (per Londonbusroutes.net 110 currently 7 at AV, becomes 15 at V (+8) 391 currently 8 at V being discontinued (-8) H22 currently 11 at AV becomes 12 (+1) but operating hours cut H37 currently 15 at AV becomes 13 (-2) There were only 13 DXEs bought for H37, although one of 293 allocation moved over The 110 is not running from V, it is AV, with a PVR of 14 not 15. Unusually LBR is not correct... everything else looks right from what I know...
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Post by busdryver on Nov 28, 2020 11:49:01 GMT
Two weeks to go then the fleet shuffle commences Loss of 306 causes VHs to become spare (although earmarked for some routes gains in few months) Finish of 391 results in DLEs becoming spare Extension (and frequency change) of 110 will use most of 391s DLEs H37 gets frequency cut (so should only need the DXEs), which releases DLEs (the reality and paper allocation are disconnected, in theory the extras go back to 203 releasing double decks) ultimately 2 SPs become spare Then one week later (last day is currently Friday 18th) all the school extras are withdrawn (TfL are still considering if they should return in January). The 8 early SPs are expected to be withdrawn (even if the school extras return in Jan-Feb) as newer SPs can cover The ADEs on loan to Stagecoach are due back by Christmas (and with recent photo of lots of new electric buses at WH in Stagecoach thread), seems likely they will be back in December. They should return to their original routes. Regarding loans, RATP still have 3 short 9m buses from Abellio (and have lent 3 of the 2007 DEs in return), all for school extras on length restricted routes. Again due to end 18 Dec (unless school extras resume in Jan) I have heard rumours that about 20-30 SPs will be stored from Christmas for 4 months. No idea where, or how true it is. However until the 28 and E1 are taken over in May there appears to be about 40 spare deckers. Logically the early VHs need refurbs so that is probably why not all are rumoured to be stored. I don’t see the ADEs returning before February/March at the earliest, and no plans to store any buses - I have no doubt the schools will carry on after Xmas so every bus will still be needed post Xmas. With the 28, 481 and E1 all using existing buses (TVR around 38 vehicles), it will remain tight through the summer, especially with all the buses to be refurbished!
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Post by busdryver on Nov 23, 2020 19:53:35 GMT
I was just taking a look at the RATP route gains and potential allocations of hybrid deckers. Here is what I expect to happen: 71 -- VH45163-166 (4) + VH45187-195 (9) = 13 for a PVR of 12. [FW]. These are already at FW for the 65. VH45318/319 to be allocated to the 681. 418 -- VH45153-161 (9) = 9 for a PVR of 7. [TV]. I suspect in reality two of these vehicles will be used for flexibility on the 85 or the recently gained school routes. 481 -- VHR45203-208 (6) = 6 for a PVR of 5. [FW]. 698 -- ADH (5) = 5 for a PVR of 5. [SO]. Would make more sense to allocate a small number of E40Hs to a school route rather than have mixed allocations elsewhere. E1 -- VH45124-128 (5) + VH45162 (1) + VH45184-6 (3) + VH45255-257*(3) = 12 for a PVR of 11. [AV]. Initially I thought it could go to [V], however space may be needed for the 49. *I believe these VHs were destined to complete the 423 allocation, however I reckon SPs are sufficient for the rest of the contract. After all they're still an upgrade from the single deck DLEs. 1 more VH to FW for the 71 and Some ADE/ADHs to either AV or TV for the school routes and I reckon you’re about right here. I believe that the VHs for the 423 will be in place shortly, so I think your plan is scuppered by this. I don’t see the VHRs moving away from London Soveriegn so predict them staying for the 698.
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Post by busdryver on Nov 23, 2020 11:53:03 GMT
With so many buses needed for the 71, 418, 467, 481 and E1, every ADH will probably be needed to satisfy those requirements. I'm pretty sure there will be enough vehicles for all the routes even without the ADHs, i've seen the 467 is to be allocated an E400 (correct me if I am wrong) which still does leave the other routes with enough vehicles. The 306 is lost in the next few weeks so there will be spares from there and after that in around Jan-Feb time the E400s currently in Stagecoach will return, freeing up a few more VHs from RP (dependent on delivery of vehicles). All should be in good time before all the new contracts start. Route 71 - PVR: 12 Route 418 - PVR: 7 Route 481 - PVR: 5 Route E1 - PVR: 11 Total for PVR: 35 and this excludes TVR. In reality, even if electric vehicles are late, the routes been taken over such as the 481 & E1 are more of a priority; the 71, 418 & 467 can all used existing vehicles until vehicles are freed up. I think that there will be a small shortage of buses if all the tender awards are taken in to account... bear in mind that the ADEs are being covered by the use of the VHs from the 139 (effectively) and therefore when Route 28 starts there will not be enough to go round / including the ADHs...
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