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Post by danorak on Sept 12, 2017 17:39:32 GMT
Well, I have now shared my considerable wisdom, knowledge and experience with TfL... I expect it will not make an iota of difference to the outcome, although I would hope one or two comments might just give pause for thought. The consultation closes in a couple of days so if anyone was thinking of responding, time is running out.
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Post by danorak on Sept 13, 2017 16:02:20 GMT
I see from Twitter that Eltham Conservatives are encouraging people to request an X161. Their idea is for this to run from Mottingham Village to Woolwich, stopping only at Mottingham Station, Eltham High Street, Eltham Station and Shooters Hill.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 13, 2017 16:16:00 GMT
I see from Twitter that Eltham Conservatives are encouraging people to request an X161. Their idea is for this to run from Mottingham Village to Woolwich, stopping only at Mottingham Station, Eltham High Street, Eltham Station and Shooters Hill. [ laughs hysterically ]
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Post by snoggle on Sept 13, 2017 16:19:16 GMT
Well, I have now shared my considerable wisdom, knowledge and experience with TfL... I expect it will not make an iota of difference to the outcome, although I would hope one or two comments might just give pause for thought. The consultation closes in a couple of days so if anyone was thinking of responding, time is running out. I admire your dedication. I really cannot summon the enthusiasm to respond given my considered view is that almost all of the changes are a pile of utter rubbish. I am not directly affected by any of the changes so if I was to respond it would carry less weight than those whose journeys will be affected by these poorly thought through changes.
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Post by lonmark on Sept 13, 2017 16:44:58 GMT
I see from Twitter that Eltham Conservatives are encouraging people to request an X161. Their idea is for this to run from Mottingham Village to Woolwich, stopping only at Mottingham Station, Eltham High Street, Eltham Station and Shooters Hill. er..... er..... pointless.
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Post by sid on Sept 13, 2017 16:49:51 GMT
I see from Twitter that Eltham Conservatives are encouraging people to request an X161. Their idea is for this to run from Mottingham Village to Woolwich, stopping only at Mottingham Station, Eltham High Street, Eltham Station and Shooters Hill. More chance of seeing Lord Lucan in Eltham High Street!
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 14, 2017 20:12:59 GMT
Well, I have now shared my considerable wisdom, knowledge and experience with TfL... I expect it will not make an iota of difference to the outcome, although I would hope one or two comments might just give pause for thought. The consultation closes in a couple of days so if anyone was thinking of responding, time is running out. I hope you mentioned the 161 change and your alternative.
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Post by danorak on Sept 14, 2017 20:37:24 GMT
Well, I have now shared my considerable wisdom, knowledge and experience with TfL... I expect it will not make an iota of difference to the outcome, although I would hope one or two comments might just give pause for thought. The consultation closes in a couple of days so if anyone was thinking of responding, time is running out. I hope you mentioned the 161 change and your alternative. Oh yes, that was my main reason for responding, primarily because I want to see what reason TfL give for not taking it up! My guess is that it will be not-so-elegantly sidestepped.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 14, 2017 21:43:56 GMT
I hope you mentioned the 161 change and your alternative. Oh yes, that was my main reason for responding, primarily because I want to see what reason TfL give for not taking it up! My guess is that it will be not-so-elegantly sidestepped. Yeah : my guess too. Despite our lobbying... While here ; a Quarry update. It's going well - should think first bit will be ready at the end of the year. The map TfL provided for the 180 I'm pretty sure shows a slightly inaccurate position for the Quarry terminal. I think it will be rather further south than in the map.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Oct 8, 2017 16:06:50 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Oct 8, 2017 17:27:31 GMT
Interesting response. Now remind me this is the same Greenwich Council that is sitting on millions of pounds of cash for bus improvements, millions of pounds for public realm improvements and whose councillors ignore legitimate questions about the use of these monies? They've got a bit of a cheek to respond to TfL in the way they have saying a number of things are unacceptable and demanding that TfL agree an upfront "early review process" for new or amended N-S links in the Borough. Put your hands in your pockets Greenwich Council!!! I'm not surprised by a number of their observations and some may be wholly appopriate but they don't seem to appreciate quite what is going on with the bus network as a whole and how lucky they are to have got some genuine improvements rather than a shed load of cuts disguised as improvements.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Oct 8, 2017 18:23:09 GMT
Interesting response. Now remind me this is the same Greenwich Council that is sitting on millions of pounds of cash for bus improvements, millions of pounds for public realm improvements and whose councillors ignore legitimate questions about the use of these monies? They've got a bit of a cheek to respond to TfL in the way they have saying a number of things are unacceptable and demanding that TfL agree an upfront "early review process" for new or amended N-S links in the Borough. Put your hands in your pockets Greenwich Council!!! I'm not surprised by a number of their observations and some may be wholly appopriate but they don't seem to appreciate quite what is going on with the bus network as a whole and how lucky they are to have got some genuine improvements rather than a shed load of cuts disguised as improvements. Yup, the one and the same. They don't really seem to appreciate the loss of half the buses between Greenwich and Woolwich, which is wholly unsurprising.
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Post by mondraker275 on Oct 9, 2017 16:27:04 GMT
Although I dont know all the background or issues with Greenwich eluded to, I thought it was quite a detailed response that you dont quite get with other councils. I can think of some that would have had a lazy one line response, or not even responded. There are some that probably dont know what buses go through their borough. I quite like them asking for a review, maybe demanding an agreement is a bit over the top.
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Post by danorak on Oct 9, 2017 17:35:59 GMT
Although I dont know all the background or issues with Greenwich eluded to, I thought it was quite a detailed response that you dont quite get with other councils. I can think of some that would have had a lazy one line response, or not even responded. There are some that probably dont know what buses go through their borough. I quite like them asking for a review, maybe demanding an agreement is a bit over the top. There's a degree of local politics hidden in the RBG response that wouldn't be immediately obvious. The talk of north-south routes is a nod to politics in the marginal Eltham areas, while the 'plan ahead for developments' is RBG trying to maintain the illusion that the problems with buses in Kidbrooke are nothing to do with their failing to consider access for buses when planning Kidbrooke Village. That said, it's probably better than a lot of the stuff RBG has come out with in recent years.
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Post by busman on Oct 9, 2017 20:12:12 GMT
It’s an absolute pants response from a council that only appears to show interest after the fact. These changes shouldn’t be a surprise to the council and the council would have had opportunity for dialogue with TfL in the lead up to proposals. It isn’t TfL’s fault that Greenwich’s (aka “The Royal Borough”) only meets once in a blue moon and doesn’t seem to care much for road improvements using TfL cash.
Indeed the support for an x161 is entirely political. The Conservatives seated in Eltham are lobbying hard for their area - like any good councillors should - and Greenwich Council want to be seen to fight for Eltham.
There are some daft things in the response. The fact that buses between Abbey Wood and Greenwich Town Centre are being halved without replacement along a very busy corridor has been ignored by the council. Also the assumption that people will travel to Zone 4 Woolwich when Crossrail opens instead of sticking with Zone 2 North Greenwich isn’t even challenged robustly. The bleating about the roundabout congestion caused by the Woolwich Ferry isn’t even relevant to the consultation. The real North - South links missing are between Abbey Wood and Welling/Eltham. They might have scored points for specifically flagging this up in the planning process, but instead they bang on about an x161. No mention of the unreliable 469 having a lengthened route and no change in peak or daytime frequency despite being the only direct service to the local hospital for much of it’s route. That doesn’t sit very nicely alongside TfL’s strategy to improve bus services to hospitals, but then again I wouldn’t expect The Royal Borough to know that.
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