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Post by MoEnviro on Aug 29, 2017 17:11:37 GMT
A question about the Carnival arrangements. I assume measures are taken to allow buses to return to X on the Sunday night, between the two days of carnival, so they can be washed, cleaned and refuelled and kept in a secure place rather than being parked on street on Elgin Avenue or elsewhere. Can anyone confirm what happens? Do they need to return to X or could they be temporarily outstationed at AS?? |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 29, 2017 17:59:50 GMT
A question about the Carnival arrangements. I assume measures are taken to allow buses to return to X on the Sunday night, between the two days of carnival, so they can be washed, cleaned and refuelled and kept in a secure place rather than being parked on street on Elgin Avenue or elsewhere. Can anyone confirm what happens? Do they need to return to X or could they be temporarily outstationed at AS?? Fair point - hadn't thought of that. It would be nice to know for certain as I can't recall ever reading about that aspect of operations. |
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Post by 700101 on Aug 29, 2017 18:20:54 GMT
A question about the Carnival arrangements. I assume measures are taken to allow buses to return to X on the Sunday night, between the two days of carnival, so they can be washed, cleaned and refuelled and kept in a secure place rather than being parked on street on Elgin Avenue or elsewhere. Can anyone confirm what happens? That's a good question, I did see 1 bus parked in the garage when walking past on Sunday then saw a few more hours after carnival finished |
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Post by redexpress on Aug 29, 2017 19:08:17 GMT
A question about the Carnival arrangements. I assume measures are taken to allow buses to return to X on the Sunday night, between the two days of carnival, so they can be washed, cleaned and refuelled and kept in a secure place rather than being parked on street on Elgin Avenue or elsewhere. Can anyone confirm what happens? Happy to be corrected here, but I seem to remember that prior to X being rebuilt, there was a back access to the lower yard which was made available to First during Carnival. I believe this led out onto Alfred Road - a cul-de-sac that ends under the Westway flyover. If you look on Streetview there is a metal gate marked "emergency exit" at the end of this road; beyond the gate the road runs under the flyover and towards what was the lower yard, so I suspect that's where the access is/was. Whether this was used by buses, or just by staff using the garage facilities, I don't know, and I have no idea if the new layout still allows access that way. Of course Atlas Road wasn't available back then, so they had to find a way of using some of the facilities at X. Nowadays it is probably easier to just use AS. As it happens, I saw a bus exiting Alfred Road when I was on my way to Carnival yesterday. However it wasn't a TT bus, but a Metroline West VW off the 18. Perhaps it needed assistance and popped into the rear of X? It's hard to see what else it would have been doing down a cul-de-sac. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 11:41:08 GMT
A question about the Carnival arrangements. I assume measures are taken to allow buses to return to X on the Sunday night, between the two days of carnival, so they can be washed, cleaned and refuelled and kept in a secure place rather than being parked on street on Elgin Avenue or elsewhere. Can anyone confirm what happens? Happy to be corrected here, but I seem to remember that prior to X being rebuilt, there was a back access to the lower yard which was made available to First during Carnival. I believe this led out onto Alfred Road - a cul-de-sac that ends under the Westway flyover. If you look on Streetview there is a metal gate marked "emergency exit" at the end of this road; beyond the gate the road runs under the flyover and towards what was the lower yard, so I suspect that's where the access is/was. Whether this was used by buses, or just by staff using the garage facilities, I don't know, and I have no idea if the new layout still allows access that way. Of course Atlas Road wasn't available back then, so they had to find a way of using some of the facilities at X. Nowadays it is probably easier to just use AS. As it happens, I saw a bus exiting Alfred Road when I was on my way to Carnival yesterday. However it wasn't a TT bus, but a Metroline West VW off the 18. Perhaps it needed assistance and popped into the rear of X? It's hard to see what else it would have been doing down a cul-de-sac. I think you're correct , I remember seeing buses stacked up down there as well in First days. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2018 20:14:12 GMT
As we back at Carnival time again it looks like TfL are scaling back the Carnival services again. This year no 205X is listed by LOTS in the latest TLB and, of course, the 390 no longer heads west so the 94 has to pick up the demand. The 2X and 36X are running - presumably TfL can't ignore the flows from South London to Carnival. Looks like the usual diversions apply to other routes like the 27, 28, 31, 316 etc (haven't checked them all). Bizarrely TfL aren't even bothering to list the routes that are affected by diversions / curtailments or the special routes. You have to "plan a journey" or check each route individually on Real Time Status checker for the right date in the future. Do they think people are incapable of reading a list of route numbers or an explanation of the diversions if it was actually published on the Notting Hill Carnival page?
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 19, 2018 20:25:28 GMT
As we back at Carnival time again it looks like TfL are scaling back the Carnival services again. This year no 205X is listed by LOTS in the latest TLB and, of course, the 390 no longer heads west so the 94 has to pick up the demand. The 2X and 36X are running - presumably TfL can't ignore the flows from South London to Carnival. Looks like the usual diversions apply to other routes like the 27, 28, 31, 316 etc (haven't checked them all). Bizarrely TfL aren't even bothering to list the routes that are affected by diversions / curtailments or the special routes. You have to "plan a journey" or check each route individually on Real Time Status checker for the right date in the future. Do they think people are incapable of reading a list of route numbers or an explanation of the diversions if it was actually published on the Notting Hill Carnival page? That time of the year again!!! Where does the year go? Days are long but the years are short! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 8:46:03 GMT
As we back at Carnival time again it looks like TfL are scaling back the Carnival services again. This year no 205X is listed by LOTS in the latest TLB and, of course, the 390 no longer heads west so the 94 has to pick up the demand. The 2X and 36X are running - presumably TfL can't ignore the flows from South London to Carnival. Looks like the usual diversions apply to other routes like the 27, 28, 31, 316 etc (haven't checked them all). Bizarrely TfL aren't even bothering to list the routes that are affected by diversions / curtailments or the special routes. You have to "plan a journey" or check each route individually on Real Time Status checker for the right date in the future. Do they think people are incapable of reading a list of route numbers or an explanation of the diversions if it was actually published on the Notting Hill Carnival page? When I read that I was surprised that lots are saying extra buses will be on the 27 etc.. From what I recall, only the 18,36 & 148 actually had extra buses last year. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 21, 2018 9:39:33 GMT
As we back at Carnival time again it looks like TfL are scaling back the Carnival services again. This year no 205X is listed by LOTS in the latest TLB and, of course, the 390 no longer heads west so the 94 has to pick up the demand. The 2X and 36X are running - presumably TfL can't ignore the flows from South London to Carnival. Looks like the usual diversions apply to other routes like the 27, 28, 31, 316 etc (haven't checked them all). Bizarrely TfL aren't even bothering to list the routes that are affected by diversions / curtailments or the special routes. You have to "plan a journey" or check each route individually on Real Time Status checker for the right date in the future. Do they think people are incapable of reading a list of route numbers or an explanation of the diversions if it was actually published on the Notting Hill Carnival page? When I read that I was surprised that lots are saying extra buses will be on the 27 etc.. From what I recall, only the 18,36 & 148 actually had extra buses last year. Having just checked TLB the term used is "supplementary services" which I take to mean the usual pre-planned variant routes that run over the usual diversions. They may actually use more buses because the diversion routes are longer and, if 2016 is any indicator, clogged with traffic. However they are NOT all getting enhanced frequencies. LOTS do go on to set out the very few routes that actually get enhanced service levels. As you say there are not many of them and it looks like the night services, other than N18, aren't being enhanced either which will create some fun and games methinks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 10:14:03 GMT
When I read that I was surprised that lots are saying extra buses will be on the 27 etc.. From what I recall, only the 18,36 & 148 actually had extra buses last year. Having just checked TLB the term used is "supplementary services" which I take to mean the usual pre-planned variant routes that run over the usual diversions. They may actually use more buses because the diversion routes are longer and, if 2016 is any indicator, clogged with traffic. However they are NOT all getting enhanced frequencies. LOTS do go on to set out the very few routes that actually get enhanced service levels. As you say there are not many of them and it looks like the night services, other than N18, aren't being enhanced either which will create some fun and games methinks. Yes it doesn’t help the overall plan to disperse crowds when buses are running every 30 mins with no night tube ! |
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Post by VPL630 on Aug 24, 2018 23:08:33 GMT
As we back at Carnival time again it looks like TfL are scaling back the Carnival services again. This year no 205X is listed by LOTS in the latest TLB and, of course, the 390 no longer heads west so the 94 has to pick up the demand. The 2X and 36X are running - presumably TfL can't ignore the flows from South London to Carnival. Looks like the usual diversions apply to other routes like the 27, 28, 31, 316 etc (haven't checked them all). Bizarrely TfL aren't even bothering to list the routes that are affected by diversions / curtailments or the special routes. You have to "plan a journey" or check each route individually on Real Time Status checker for the right date in the future. Do they think people are incapable of reading a list of route numbers or an explanation of the diversions if it was actually published on the Notting Hill Carnival page? The annual Notting Hill Carnival will take place over the weekend of Sunday 26th August and Monday 27th August 2018. As in the past years an area bounded roughly as follows will be closed to all traffic including buses: Notting Hill Gate, Bayswater Road, Queensway, Porchester Road, Lord Hills Bridge, Harrow Road, Scrubs Lane, West Cross Route and Holland Park Avenue. Buses on the routes listed above will be diverted or withdrawn from the area from 2200 hrs on Saturday 25th August 2018 and until approximately 0500 hrs on Tuesday 28th August 2018. There will a closure of Bishops Bridge Road at the junction of Porchester Gardens for a security barrier build on Saturday 25th August at 2100 hours. Routes Affected: * 2X 7 16 18 23 27 28 31 36 36X 46 52 70 94 98 148 220 228 295 316 328 332 414 452 N7 N16 N18 N28 N31 N98 N207 |
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