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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2017 19:27:35 GMT
Just realised it's imminent so I thought I'd look at the bus arrangements. The 2X, 205X and 36X survive this year but the 436X is apparently dead and buried. Oddly the TfL traffic map for the Carnival event still shows the 436 as terminating at Paddington   and the accompanying text says there will be extra buses on the 436. I assume that's to give capacity Lewisham - New Cross but it'll be a mess if everyone gets off at Vauxhall expecting to board a connecting Carnival bus. Also looks like the 316 will not reach White City this year instead terminating somewhere on Harrow Rd. Not shown on the map as running via Scrubs Lane and Wood Lane. The event text also says the 390 is affected by Carnival but goodness knows how given it runs to Victoria.  Someone at TfL hasn't been paying attention to recent service changes and has just cut and pasted last year's text and map and made a right old mess. It also looks like the NHG arrangements are not immune to their own set of cutbacks. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 19, 2017 19:32:48 GMT
Just realised it's imminent so I thought I'd look at the bus arrangements. The 2X, 205X and 36X survive this year but the 436X is apparently dead and buried. Oddly the TfL traffic map for the Carnival event still shows the 436 as terminating at Paddington and the accompanying text says there will be extra buses on the 436. I assume that's to give capacity Lewisham - New Cross but it'll be a mess if everyone gets off at Vauxhall expecting to board a connecting Carnival bus. Also looks like the 316 will not reach White City this year instead terminating somewhere on Harrow Rd. Not shown on the map as running via Scrubs Lane and Wood Lane. The event text also says the 390 is affected by Carnival but goodness knows how given it runs to Victoria. Someone at TfL hasn't been paying attention to recent service changes and has just cut and pasted last year's text and map and made a right old mess. It also looks like the NHG arrangements are not immune to their own set of cutbacks. I wonder if the statement saying the extra buses on the 436 is just an error, it doesn't make sense to me why they'd enhance the frequency of that route for the reason you stated as Vauxhall would just become a danger zone. |
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Post by Gellico on Aug 19, 2017 19:51:23 GMT
I haven't done the carnival buses before, looking at the map should be relatively straight forward to photo them. Stint at Marble Arch for the 22 and 36X then somewhere else out the way for the 205X.
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Post by MoEnviro on Aug 19, 2017 20:02:11 GMT
I haven't done the carnival buses before, looking at the map should be relatively straight forward to photo them. Stint at Marble Arch for the 22 and 36X then somewhere else out the way for the 205X. 22? I assume you mean 2X, it's a shame the 436X has been axed this year. |
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Post by Gellico on Aug 19, 2017 20:14:42 GMT
I haven't done the carnival buses before, looking at the map should be relatively straight forward to photo them. Stint at Marble Arch for the 22 and 36X then somewhere else out the way for the 205X. 22? I assume you mean 2X, it's a shame the 436X has been axed this year. Indeed I do mean 2X, I do wonder what the 36X will use. Also what days are these running. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Aug 19, 2017 20:21:19 GMT
The carnival routes run on the Carnival Saturday and Sunday, towards Notting Hill/Harrow Road AM, and return PM. Check your timetables carefully, some buses run every 15/20mins. And last outbound ones are around 1/2pm. Inbound till slightly after midnight, but the later the worse the crowds get... 36X is the busiest and with the loss of 436X, it's gonna be even worse. 205X just uses BW DDs, but I know they have it on the LT sets, so perhaps–?  And of course MMCs haven't arrived for last year, so it'll be now when they show up. 2X just uses 2's allocation - last year it was the DWs! Now probably gonna be the slimy amphibian army though wonder if any Ts/VLAs will help out. 36X uses everything DD at NX (bar LTs of course) and had loans from SW last year as well, including WVL1! Can't remember if Q stock also was involved. I personally wonder how 148 will cope without the 390, gonna be murder even with all these extras. Unless they do use non-LT ones for once  Shame about 316... So that diverted DD run I did few months back was the last decker 316 to go White City :C  |
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Post by Ted Barclay on Aug 19, 2017 20:32:18 GMT
The Carnival routes run on Sunday and Monday. Normal service operates on Saturday as there is no Carnival activity that causes road closures. The SW buses on the 36 (not 36X) are offically scheduled from SW and not loans. Ted B The carnival routes run on the Carnival Saturday and Sunday, towards Notting Hill/Harrow Road AM, and return PM. Check your timetables carefully, some buses run every 15/20mins. And last outbound ones are around 1/2pm. Inbound till slightly after midnight, but the later the worse the crowds get... 36X is the busiest and with the loss of 436X, it's gonna be even worse. 205X just uses BW DDs, but I know they have it on the LT sets, so perhaps–? And of course MMCs haven't arrived for last year, so it'll be now when they show up. 2X just uses 2's allocation - last year it was the DWs! Now probably gonna be the slimy amphibian army though wonder if any Ts/VLAs will help out. 36X uses everything DD at NX (bar LTs of course) and had loans from SW last year as well, including WVL1! Can't remember if Q stock also was involved. I personally wonder how 148 will cope without the 390, gonna be murder even with all these extras. Unless they do use non-LT ones for once Shame about 316... So that diverted DD run I did few months back was the last decker 316 to go White City :C |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2017 22:10:33 GMT
I haven't done the carnival buses before, looking at the map should be relatively straight forward to photo them. Stint at Marble Arch for the 22 and 36X then somewhere else out the way for the 205X. Err that won't work really for the 2X unless you're going to try to snap s/b buses. I usually do Vauxhall if the weather is a bit overcast as it diffuses the sunlight given buses run north. It'd be difficult if the sun was very bright - the angles are all wrong. Hyde Park Corner w/b will get you the 2X in the afternoon and would have got the 436X if it was running. The 52 runs a split service so you get to see some running up Park Lane - the Hilton Hotel or Marble Arch are OK for afternoon shots. There are usually lots of extras on the 36 plus the 36X. The 148 and 94 have extras too. In the past I've snapped the 205X just west of Edgware Road near the flyover - depends on timing. One of the main reasons I snap the NHC buses is the spectacular level of crowding you get on some buses - has to be seen to be believed. Last year, for some reason, Marble Arch kept getting very congested which made some photography very, very difficult. First year I've seen that. I would heed RandomBusesGirl's remarks about frequencies and also start times - the special routes only start at lunchtime and they are not mega frequent barring the 36 which seems to be a constant stream of buses. It will be interesting to see how the 94 is resourced this year as in past years the 390 generally had the extras and was very busy indeed. I've never done the Harrow Road / Elgin Avenue area where a lot of buses turn / extras park up but have seen photos. Part of me would like to visit Carnival for the experience but I am concerned about the crowding and, unfortunately, the risk of crime. I don't really like being in huge crowds of slow moving people. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 19, 2017 23:24:59 GMT
The Carnival routes run on Sunday and Monday. Normal service operates on Saturday as there is no Carnival activity that causes road closures. The SW buses on the 36 (not 36X) are offically scheduled from SW and not loans. Ted B The carnival routes run on the Carnival Saturday and Sunday, towards Notting Hill/Harrow Road AM, and return PM. Check your timetables carefully, some buses run every 15/20mins. And last outbound ones are around 1/2pm. Inbound till slightly after midnight, but the later the worse the crowds get... 36X is the busiest and with the loss of 436X, it's gonna be even worse. 205X just uses BW DDs, but I know they have it on the LT sets, so perhaps–? And of course MMCs haven't arrived for last year, so it'll be now when they show up. 2X just uses 2's allocation - last year it was the DWs! Now probably gonna be the slimy amphibian army though wonder if any Ts/VLAs will help out. 36X uses everything DD at NX (bar LTs of course) and had loans from SW last year as well, including WVL1! Can't remember if Q stock also was involved. I personally wonder how 148 will cope without the 390, gonna be murder even with all these extras. Unless they do use non-LT ones for once Shame about 316... So that diverted DD run I did few months back was the last decker 316 to go White City :C I was going to say that the 2X runs on the Monday - the only reason I know is because I'm rostered to work Bank Holiday Mondays and the 2X since introduced has always ran that day. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 20:07:18 GMT
LU have shifted extras recently from the 94 onto the 148. So the 94 runs a normal BH weekend schedule. This year may be different though.
Next year, LU operation on the 18 will be interesting as it will need an extra garage running the additional buses.
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Post by 700101 on Aug 20, 2017 20:28:51 GMT
Surprised about the 436X, it was a well used route and my preferred one going to/from Carnival. Will be good to see how the 36 & 36X will cope.
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Post by eggmiester on Aug 20, 2017 20:45:54 GMT
Increased frequencies on the 36S (the supplementary service run from SW) and 36X should be adequate to cover the loss of the 436X and extras.
The 36X will use 20 buses from NX with some cross linked onto / off the 36S and the 36S will use 12 buses from SW with 6/7 cross linked buses from NX off the 36X.
The 36S buses just show 36 on their blind and work between Camberwell and Harrow Rd. The S is just the operational route number only.
Running numbers will be
NX21-40
SW281-292
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Post by snoggle on Aug 27, 2017 21:53:52 GMT
Just had a brief look at the 36 / 36X on LVF. I am clearly way behind the times but really surprising (to me anyway) to see no PVLs on the allocation at all. Seen them for so many years running and now no more. Just feels odd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 1:14:50 GMT
LU had extras out on the 94 as well as 148.
94 effectively running extras Oxford Circus to S Garage.
LT's loaned from V on the 148 and a handful of ADE's from PK on the 94.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 29, 2017 14:51:42 GMT
A question about the Carnival arrangements. I assume measures are taken to allow buses to return to X on the Sunday night, between the two days of carnival, so they can be washed, cleaned and refuelled and kept in a secure place rather than being parked on street on Elgin Avenue or elsewhere. Can anyone confirm what happens?
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and the accompanying text says there will be extra buses on the 436. I assume that's to give capacity Lewisham - New Cross but it'll be a mess if everyone gets off at Vauxhall expecting to board a connecting Carnival bus.
Someone at TfL hasn't been paying attention to recent service changes and has just cut and pasted last year's text and map and made a right old mess. It also looks like the NHG arrangements are not immune to their own set of cutbacks.
