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Post by vjaska on Feb 26, 2018 10:31:27 GMT
It's snowed here but nothing to shout home about - the drug dealers still have far more in their pockets than on the ground.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 26, 2018 10:36:33 GMT
It's snowed here but nothing to shout home about - the drug dealers still have far more in their pockets than on the ground. What a way to describe Brixton LOOOOL Same here, there's barely anything on the ground so nothing to get fussed about and it's not brought the area to any sort of standstill.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 26, 2018 10:41:34 GMT
It's snowed here but nothing to shout home about - the drug dealers still have far more in their pockets than on the ground. What a way to describe Brixton LOOOOL Same here, there's barely anything on the ground so nothing to get fussed about and it's not brought the area to any sort of standstill. And yet TfL Rail, C2C and Greater Anglia are all going to stop running trains from about 2200 tonight for no good reason at all. Greater Anglia have abandoned half their Suffolk and Norfolk network from tomorrow with much less service elsewhere including no service from T Hale to Stratford which is daft. TfL Rail have announced the peak service tomorrow won't start until 0700 (!) and will be a train every 10 minutes instead of the usual 15 tph. I'm sorry but are the Class 345s afraid of the cold or something? This bodes very, very badly for Crossrail in future. Some good old fashioned rail operators from British Rail days need to be dragged out of retirement to teach today's operators how to keep train services running in the snow. I can understand genuine concerns if the forecast is for blizzards and many, many inches of snow - that's for Thursday when I do expect genuine problems but not for snow showers or even modest levels of snow.
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Post by Paul on Feb 26, 2018 10:52:35 GMT
Snowing in Orpington, the beast has arrived! Which subsequently caused massive traffic queues all over the place 🙄🙄🙄🙄
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 11:34:33 GMT
What a way to describe Brixton LOOOOL Same here, there's barely anything on the ground so nothing to get fussed about and it's not brought the area to any sort of standstill. And yet TfL Rail, C2C and Greater Anglia are all going to stop running trains from about 2200 tonight for no good reason at all. Greater Anglia have abandoned half their Suffolk and Norfolk network from tomorrow with much less service elsewhere including no service from T Hale to Stratford which is daft. TfL Rail have announced the peak service tomorrow won't start until 0700 (!) and will be a train every 10 minutes instead of the usual 15 tph. I'm sorry but are the Class 345s afraid of the cold or something? This bodes very, very badly for Crossrail in future. Some good old fashioned rail operators from British Rail days need to be dragged out of retirement to teach today's operators how to keep train services running in the snow. I can understand genuine concerns if the forecast is for blizzards and many, many inches of snow - that's for Thursday when I do expect genuine problems but not for snow showers or even modest levels of snow. I suspect they are giving the worst case scenario and if it turns out to be not that bad they will continue running? It's coming down quite heavy here at the moment and the worst of it is apparently several hours away yet.
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Post by planesandtrains on Feb 26, 2018 11:45:18 GMT
And yet TfL Rail, C2C and Greater Anglia are all going to stop running trains from about 2200 tonight for no good reason at all. Greater Anglia have abandoned half their Suffolk and Norfolk network from tomorrow with much less service elsewhere including no service from T Hale to Stratford which is daft. TfL Rail have announced the peak service tomorrow won't start until 0700 (!) and will be a train every 10 minutes instead of the usual 15 tph. I'm sorry but are the Class 345s afraid of the cold or something? This bodes very, very badly for Crossrail in future. Some good old fashioned rail operators from British Rail days need to be dragged out of retirement to teach today's operators how to keep train services running in the snow. I can understand genuine concerns if the forecast is for blizzards and many, many inches of snow - that's for Thursday when I do expect genuine problems but not for snow showers or even modest levels of snow. I suspect they are giving the worst case scenario and if it turns out to be not that bad they will continue running? It's coming down quite heavy here at the moment and the worst of it is apparently several hours away yet. Funny thing with the nature of these showers, down here in SW London a few light flurries blowing around in the wind, nothing really on the ground. Very concerned about Thursday though, strong winds + snow + UK = Absolute carnage. Probably won't be getting to my lectures on Friday. As for rail services, better safe than sorry. In Germany where they have kept the trains running there have been problems. For example passengers having to spend the night on an ICE- it is these kinds of situations the operators won't to avoid.
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 11:47:53 GMT
I suspect they are giving the worst case scenario and if it turns out to be not that bad they will continue running? It's coming down quite heavy here at the moment and the worst of it is apparently several hours away yet. Funny thing with the nature of these showers, down here in SW London a few light flurries blowing around in the wind, nothing really on the ground. Very concerned about Thursday though, strong winds + snow + UK = Absolute carnage. Probably won't be getting to my lectures on Friday. As for rail services, better safe than sorry. In Germany where they have kept the trains running there have been problems. For example passengers having to spend the night on an ICE- it is these kinds of situations the operators won't to avoid. Exactly, far better to make contingency plans to stop trains early than recklessly carry on and put passengers and train crews in danger.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 26, 2018 12:10:47 GMT
Funny thing with the nature of these showers, down here in SW London a few light flurries blowing around in the wind, nothing really on the ground. Very concerned about Thursday though, strong winds + snow + UK = Absolute carnage. Probably won't be getting to my lectures on Friday. As for rail services, better safe than sorry. In Germany where they have kept the trains running there have been problems. For example passengers having to spend the night on an ICE- it is these kinds of situations the operators won't to avoid. Exactly, far better to make contingency plans to stop trains early than recklessly carry on and put passengers and train crews in danger. If the forecast is severe then yes some sensible precautions are OK. If a few flakes are falling out of the sky then no. Railways are perfectly capable of operating in snowy conditions as witnessed the world over every winter. Overdoing the reaction to modest weather conditions is not helpful to anyone - people still need to get to work / school etc and causing needless disruption and forcing people on to less safe modes makes no sense overall and does nothing for people's safety.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 12:15:59 GMT
We had showers on and off in east London but the sun has melted what little snow settled.
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 12:35:17 GMT
Exactly, far better to make contingency plans to stop trains early than recklessly carry on and put passengers and train crews in danger. If the forecast is severe then yes some sensible precautions are OK. If a few flakes are falling out of the sky then no. Railways are perfectly capable of operating in snowy conditions as witnessed the world over every winter. Overdoing the reaction to modest weather conditions is not helpful to anyone - people still need to get to work / school etc and causing needless disruption and forcing people on to less safe modes makes no sense overall and does nothing for people's safety. Southeastern are advising their customers to complete their journey by 18.00 this evening, there is snow forecast for this evening and I guess TOC's are caught between a rock and a hard place.
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 26, 2018 12:42:11 GMT
If the forecast is severe then yes some sensible precautions are OK. If a few flakes are falling out of the sky then no. Railways are perfectly capable of operating in snowy conditions as witnessed the world over every winter. Overdoing the reaction to modest weather conditions is not helpful to anyone - people still need to get to work / school etc and causing needless disruption and forcing people on to less safe modes makes no sense overall and does nothing for people's safety. Southeastern are advising their customers to complete their journey by 18.00 this evening, there is snow forecast for this evening and I guess TOC's are caught between a rock and a hard place. Had some delays due to snow already this morning
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Post by VWH1414 on Feb 26, 2018 16:21:22 GMT
We had showers on and off in east London but the sun has melted what little snow settled. Pretty much the same in North London, been snowing on and off but each time it gets somewhere it stops and the sun comes out and the little snow that collects melts
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Post by mondraker275 on Feb 26, 2018 19:23:02 GMT
Exactly, far better to make contingency plans to stop trains early than recklessly carry on and put passengers and train crews in danger. If the forecast is severe then yes some sensible precautions are OK. If a few flakes are falling out of the sky then no. Railways are perfectly capable of operating in snowy conditions as witnessed the world over every winter. Overdoing the reaction to modest weather conditions is not helpful to anyone - people still need to get to work / school etc and causing needless disruption and forcing people on to less safe modes makes no sense overall and does nothing for people's safety. Agree with your points. A complete over reaction to cancel trains so early in advance. Its like stopping play in a cricket match because there were dark clouds, and then telling people not to come the next day as well. The only thing that I would accept is driver shorages as they cannot get to the depot, especially if they live outside London in a severely snowed in area. But even in this case you could have spare local drivers. I really cannot think of the issues with snow.
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2018 19:38:25 GMT
If the forecast is severe then yes some sensible precautions are OK. If a few flakes are falling out of the sky then no. Railways are perfectly capable of operating in snowy conditions as witnessed the world over every winter. Overdoing the reaction to modest weather conditions is not helpful to anyone - people still need to get to work / school etc and causing needless disruption and forcing people on to less safe modes makes no sense overall and does nothing for people's safety. Agree with your points. A complete over reaction to cancel trains so early in advance. Its like stopping play in a cricket match because there were dark clouds, and then telling people not to come the next day as well. The only thing that I would accept is driver shorages as they cannot get to the depot, especially if they live outside London in a severely snowed in area. But even in this case you could have spare local drivers. I really cannot think of the issues with snow. Easy for armchair experts to say that, train operators are d*mned either way. *Snowing heavily and settling now.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 26, 2018 19:55:34 GMT
Agree with your points. A complete over reaction to cancel trains so early in advance. Its like stopping play in a cricket match because there were dark clouds, and then telling people not to come the next day as well. The only thing that I would accept is driver shorages as they cannot get to the depot, especially if they live outside London in a severely snowed in area. But even in this case you could have spare local drivers. I really cannot think of the issues with snow. Easy for armchair experts to say that, train operators are d*mned either way. *Snowing heavily and settling now. I don't see why they can't just plan to run the services, and make the decision far closer to the time whether to run services or not. Looking through twitter that's what most commuters seem to want, not a single snowflake is set in the south of Barking as I type this and c2c are just a few minutes away from starting their reduced timetable.
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