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Post by snoggle on Aug 14, 2018 12:26:17 GMT
Courtesy of a post on Railforums UK here is a diagrammatic representation of the post Dec 2019 peak time service and stopping pattern for Crossrail (see download). There will be no trains from the Shenfield line to stations west of Paddington. All West London services run from Abbey Wood. They do seem to have fixed some of the rumoured problems about stopping patterns in West London except from places like Acton Main Line / Hanwell to West Drayton. This is because these stops are served by Heathrow trains only (as is the case today). Interesting that Liv St High Level is still being used. Wonder if that means the 9-car issue gets resolved or 7-car High Level services to Gidea Park
One of the main line platforms at Liv St (P18?) is removed post May 2019 and this allows two other platforms to be extended to take 9 car units from Dec 2019. The 315s run up to May 2019 and then the 7 car 345s are progressively extended to 9 cars to give a full 9 car service from Dec 2019. What I am not entirely clear about is the expected duration of the platform works at Liv St Main Line and how that meshes in with the programme to extend class 345s. Clearly there needs to be some relationship between the two programmes as 7 car trains will still need to reach Liv St main line for peak workings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 12:28:29 GMT
Interesting that Liv St High Level is still being used. Wonder if that means the 9-car issue gets resolved or 7-car High Level services to Gidea Park
One of the main line platforms at Liv St (P18?) is removed post May 2019 and this allows two other platforms to be extended to take 9 car units from Dec 2019. The 315s run up to May 2019 and then the 7 car 345s are progressively extended to 9 cars to give a full 9 car service from Dec 2019. What I am not entirely clear about is the expected duration of the platform works at Liv St Main Line and how that meshes in with the programme to extend class 345s. Clearly there needs to be some relationship between the two programmes as 7 car trains will still need to reach Liv St main line for peak workings. Aha!
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Post by snoggle on Aug 14, 2018 12:39:34 GMT
What about the reliability of the 345s on the Western side? From what I have seen they seem to be far more reliable than the 350s. I assume you mean 360s? Given they are literally falling to bits and one unit is apparently "on long term sick" it's no wonder. Their maintenance was minimal in the last days with FGW and, of course, everyone assumed they'd go off service come May. That changed a few months prior but FGW were not going to spend big money on units they'd be transferring to MTR. Naturally enough neither TfL nor MTR expected to be running 360s and they're not exactly incentivised to spend money on them either. I'd sincerely hope the 345s were doing better than the 360s as they're new and Bombardier should be learning from operational experience on the eastern services. I understand from informed comment on London Reconnections that the reason for very poor reliability numbers on the 345s is that every fault / defect is being logged and investigated by on board technicians as part of a big data gathering exercise. Each 345 has an on board technician and their intervention can mean incidents become long enough to be included in the stats. Hopefully once new software builds are deployed the trains will be much less "buggy" and reliability should increase steadily. There is also the "learning curve" process for drivers. They all know what to do with the 315s as they've had them for decades. The 345s are new and drivers take time to become familiar with new processes, new fault fixing and learning to spot what is a non service affecting glitch and what is a genuine defect. We all have similar learning curves with new computers, machines, procedures, new jobs etc. No one is fully competent on day one.
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Post by snowman on Aug 14, 2018 13:01:22 GMT
Interesting that Liv St High Level is still being used. Wonder if that means the 9-car issue gets resolved or 7-car High Level services to Gidea Park
One of the main line platforms at Liv St (P18?) is removed post May 2019 and this allows two other platforms to be extended to take 9 car units from Dec 2019. The 315s run up to May 2019 and then the 7 car 345s are progressively extended to 9 cars to give a full 9 car service from Dec 2019. What I am not entirely clear about is the expected duration of the platform works at Liv St Main Line and how that meshes in with the programme to extend class 345s. Clearly there needs to be some relationship between the two programmes as 7 car trains will still need to reach Liv St main line for peak workings. I have a vague recollection that I read somewhere that the Liverpool Street works are scheduled for August Bank holiday weekend 2019. This might be the track works, with the platform being extended subsequent weekends. I think the plan was for only peak hour extras to Liverpool Street so presumably platforms 16-18 stay empty Friday evening to Monday morning It can only take place after the Stratford-Whitechapel section is open (because platform is needed until majority of service is diverted). I would guess that the trains need extending before full service starts as there will be fewer spares then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 14:09:30 GMT
What about the reliability of the 345s on the Western side? From what I have seen they seem to be far more reliable than the 350s. I assume you mean 360s? Given they are literally falling to bits and one unit is apparently "on long term sick" it's no wonder. Their maintenance was minimal in the last days with FGW and, of course, everyone assumed they'd go off service come May. That changed a few months prior but FGW were not going to spend big money on units they'd be transferring to MTR. Naturally enough neither TfL nor MTR expected to be running 360s and they're not exactly incentivised to spend money on them either. I'd sincerely hope the 345s were doing better than the 360s as they're new and Bombardier should be learning from operational experience on the eastern services. I understand from informed comment on London Reconnections that the reason for very poor reliability numbers on the 345s is that every fault / defect is being logged and investigated by on board technicians as part of a big data gathering exercise. Each 345 has an on board technician and their intervention can mean incidents become long enough to be included in the stats. Hopefully once new software builds are deployed the trains will be much less "buggy" and reliability should increase steadily. There is also the "learning curve" process for drivers. They all know what to do with the 315s as they've had them for decades. The 345s are new and drivers take time to become familiar with new processes, new fault fixing and learning to spot what is a non service affecting glitch and what is a genuine defect. We all have similar learning curves with new computers, machines, procedures, new jobs etc. No one is fully competent on day one. Yes I did mean 360s! I wasn't aware the 360s were in that bad a state, though that said I'm not a regular user.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 15, 2018 13:03:41 GMT
For those interested in the post Dec 2019 Crossrail timetable then London Reconnections have a new and detailed article showing the service patterns. Looks like West London will have a very decent service level most of the time (Sundays are the unknowns because of NR rights to close tracks for maintenance and inspection). www.londonreconnections.com/2018/crossrail-timetable-for-success/
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 22, 2018 4:05:14 GMT
28 years later we are still waiting 😂 , never knew a Aylesbury branch was also planned youtu.be/KY_ag15vNFc
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Post by snoggle on Aug 22, 2018 7:06:21 GMT
28 years later we are still waiting 😂 , never knew a Aylesbury branch was also planned youtu.be/KY_ag15vNFcStill having fun in the Thames News archive I see! Dear old Bill Clarke there talking about the project. He was LU Network Extensions Director (or similar title). Sadly I think he's no longer with us so he never saw the line come to fruition. I have a commemorative Crossrail mug from that era - I am going to take with me when I go for my first ride on the "Daft Name" line. I also have a draft working timetable showing the times of trains to both Reading and Aylesbury. Tempted to take that with me and ask "why is the 0810 to Aylesbury not on the indicator board?" - just for laughs.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 31, 2018 9:05:09 GMT
Core tunnel opening DELAYED UNTIL AUTUMN 2019Wonder what that means for all the associated bus changes??
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 31, 2018 9:05:40 GMT
Crossrail/Elizabeth line central section delayed...
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 31, 2018 9:06:32 GMT
Core tunnel opening DELAYED UNTIL AUTUMN 2019Wonder what that means for all the associated bus changes?? I think Mr snoggle and I posted this at exactly the same time
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Post by snowman on Aug 31, 2018 9:15:27 GMT
It is a hefty delay, not just a few weeks
Also unclear what happens to the later phases, or if they will open within few weeks of each other, with the December 2019 full opening still on schedule
Another problem could be the delay to Liverpool Street platform lengthening if trains can’t be transferred to Whitechapel line
Going to make huge dent in TfLs budget, (although how much revenue would be transfers, not new, revenue is unclear, I have seen a 70% transfer estimate). Also they are paying to lease trains etc that are just parked in sidings. Massive financial hole.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 31, 2018 9:35:02 GMT
It is a hefty delay, not just a few weeks Also unclear what happens to the later phases, or if they will open within few weeks of each other, with the December 2019 full opening still on schedule Another problem could be the delay to Liverpool Street platform lengthening if trains can’t be transferred to Whitechapel line Going to make huge dent in TfLs budget, (although how much revenue would be transfers, not new, revenue is unclear, I have seen a 70% transfer estimate). Also they are paying to lease trains etc that are just parked in sidings. Massive financial hole. I have read elsewhere that the September/October 2019 opening will be what should have happened this December so looks likely that full opening won’t be until well into 2020. Bus changes - no idea. Suspect the SE/E London changes are too far down the line now to be delayed.
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Post by sid on Aug 31, 2018 9:48:44 GMT
It is a hefty delay, not just a few weeks Also unclear what happens to the later phases, or if they will open within few weeks of each other, with the December 2019 full opening still on schedule Another problem could be the delay to Liverpool Street platform lengthening if trains can’t be transferred to Whitechapel line Going to make huge dent in TfLs budget, (although how much revenue would be transfers, not new, revenue is unclear, I have seen a 70% transfer estimate). Also they are paying to lease trains etc that are just parked in sidings. Massive financial hole. I have read elsewhere that the September/October 2019 opening will be what should have happened this December so looks likely that full opening won’t be until well into 2020. Bus changes - no idea. Suspect the SE/E London changes are too far down the line now to be delayed. It was never going to be easy aligning bus changes with the opening of a new rail link but clearly nobody expected this. I can't see how the bus changes, well most of them anyway, can go ahead?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 31, 2018 9:53:19 GMT
It is a hefty delay, not just a few weeks Also unclear what happens to the later phases, or if they will open within few weeks of each other, with the December 2019 full opening still on schedule Another problem could be the delay to Liverpool Street platform lengthening if trains can’t be transferred to Whitechapel line Going to make huge dent in TfLs budget, (although how much revenue would be transfers, not new, revenue is unclear, I have seen a 70% transfer estimate). Also they are paying to lease trains etc that are just parked in sidings. Massive financial hole. I have read elsewhere that the September/October 2019 opening will be what should have happened this December so looks likely that full opening won’t be until well into 2020. Bus changes - no idea. Suspect the SE/E London changes are too far down the line now to be delayed. I have to say that I think TfL would be MAD to introduce the SE / E London bus changes in December. Why on earth would you take capacity out of North Greenwich from Thamesmead when Crossrail is not operational? There will be a lot of complaints about that as well as reducing the Lewisham - Woolwich link. The whole thing is a d*mn mess now. The justification for the Central London massacre has also gone out of the window by at least a year but that won't stop TfL being stupid as they must have known the delay was very likely.
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