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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 2, 2023 19:42:24 GMT
411, W7, R9 to name but a few... The 411 is probably the perfect example of a route that can take deckers but should use long single deckers - in my opinion the 293 should be decked and the 411 should use its DXEs. If the H37 were lost or electrified, do you think that its DXEs would be likely to go to routes 411 and 465? Both can take longer SDs and the sum of their TVRs would match that of the H37. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 2, 2023 19:49:35 GMT
I agree completely and I'm surprised large capacity single deckers haven't been considered for the W7 which is effectively a 'Red Arrow' type service. Who wants to be last one off a full bus arriving at Finsbury Park in the morning rush? It's possibly the only advantage left on an LT -- not being stuck at the back of the upper deck.
I do wonder though, which routes would be possible with a 12m?
Probably better to do it by town centre: Richmond, Kingston, Hounslow, Surbiton, Isleworth, Bromley, Crystal Palace, Orpington, Lewisham, North Greenwich, Bow, Victoria, Waterloo, London Bridge, Croydon, Sutton, Cheam, New Malden, Teddington, Feltham have all seen some 12m SDs operate there, so routes there could maybe take 12m. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 2, 2023 20:08:13 GMT
I presume this is based on outside London which has a completely separate set of needs to London as in London, double deckers have generally been preferred on majority of routes where they can be handled bar a small selection hence why we've had many double decker conversions since the 90's. Whilst I've not seen any confirmation of whether the E5 can use deckers or not, London has always been successful double decker territory in comparison to longer heavy duty single deckers that have only been used sparsely due because the number of routes that can successfully use these whilst also have insurmountable restrictions like the 227 & 358 with Shortlands railway bridge being a very small pool. Even then, 60-65% have no issue with using upstairs so that in turn frees up space downstairs for those who have mobility issues. Rather, focus should be on making the downstairs as step free as possible rather than restricting where double deckers are used. You can't force the 60- 65 % to go upstairs so that don't always mean more space downstairs for those with mobility issues. When the 241 ran to Canning Town you would be lucky to get more than 2 or 3 passengers upstairs from Hermit Road to at least Freemasons Road / New Barn Street as the majority of passengers were local short hop trips. The same would probably happen on lots of other routes if they converted to double decker.
It does feel more like a forum knows best and all routes should be double decker regardless when ever this argument comes up about single decker routes.
Well if you don't like my opinion, then do you and I a favour and stop replying and quoting my posts!!! |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 2, 2023 20:25:53 GMT
I agree completely and I'm surprised large capacity single deckers haven't been considered for the W7 which is effectively a 'Red Arrow' type service. Who wants to be last one off a full bus arriving at Finsbury Park in the morning rush? It's possibly the only advantage left on an LT -- not being stuck at the back of the upper deck.
I do wonder though, which routes would be possible with a 12m?
Why stop at 12m? The BZL is offered as a 13m. |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 2, 2023 22:17:59 GMT
The 411 is probably the perfect example of a route that can take deckers but should use long single deckers - in my opinion the 293 should be decked and the 411 should use its DXEs. If the H37 were lost or electrified, do you think that its DXEs would be likely to go to routes 411 and 465? Both can take longer SDs and the sum of their TVRs would match that of the H37. I doubt the H37 will be lost or electrified, but if it is then there definitely is a possibility the DXEs would be used on the 411 and 465. I can't think of many other single decker RATP routes that can take 12m buses, the only other possibility is that the 293 is decked and all of the DXEs are used on the 33, but realistically the 33 should just be decked itself. They might also be too heavy for Hammersmith Bridge just like double deckers are. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 16, 2023 7:52:57 GMT
I’m saying that it should have any dds but does the 444 have any restrictions on its route?
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Post by abellion on Nov 16, 2023 15:07:45 GMT
I’m saying that it should have any dds but does the 444 have any restrictions on its route? It’s used an Ee recently so not anything significant. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2023 15:47:25 GMT
I’m saying that it should have any dds but does the 444 have any restrictions on its route? It’s used an Ee recently so not anything significant. Trees at St Raphaels mentioned on here recently. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 19, 2023 17:55:39 GMT
It’s used an Ee recently so not anything significant. Trees at St Raphaels mentioned on here recently. That's 232 |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 19, 2023 17:56:58 GMT
Trees at St Raphaels mentioned on here recently. That's 232 Yes indeed, don't know what I was thinking🤣 |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Nov 19, 2023 18:11:29 GMT
I’m saying that it should have any dds but does the 444 have any restrictions on its route? It’s used an Ee recently so not anything significant. I am actually wondering what restrictions there are if any due to it being able to use any bus (I'd bet on it's ability to use TA1 even!) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 19:34:29 GMT
This is not official but it gives extra insight on what could or is likely to be hindering certain single deck routes from using double deckers, being allocated them or even doing the full route with them. I have put question marks by those that I wasn't too sure of and which could need further clarification. Feel free to object if I'm wrong on any of the routes. The 152 can't be decked due to low trees on the Pollards Hill loop when heading to New Malden, after the initial ban, 633 deckers were still using the loop for dead runs but this was picked up on and drivers were told to use the 463 routing between Pollards Hill & Ivy Gardens. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 21, 2024 20:00:26 GMT
This is not official but it gives extra insight on what could or is likely to be hindering certain single deck routes from using double deckers, being allocated them or even doing the full route with them. I have put question marks by those that I wasn't too sure of and which could need further clarification. Feel free to object if I'm wrong on any of the routes. The 152 can't be decked due to low trees on the Pollards Hill loop when heading to New Malden, after the initial ban, 633 deckers were still using the loop for dead runs but this was picked up on and drivers were told to use the 463 routing between Pollards Hill & Ivy Gardens. I thought that the 283 was due to the narrowness of Bryony Road and parked vehicles. |
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Post by COBO on Feb 26, 2024 23:22:01 GMT
For the past two to three weeks, I have been expanding on LondonNorthern's list from 2020 and filling in the gaps for routes which haven't been spoken for or adding in extra details for those that have. I used posts on this forum, posts on other groups (The Londoner for example), Google Maps and Apple Maps as guides. Newer routes such as 378, 439, S2 and SL5 have also been added to the list. This is not official but it gives extra insight on what could or is likely to be hindering certain single deck routes from using double deckers, being allocated them or even doing the full route with them. I have put question marks by those that I wasn't too sure of and which could need further clarification. Feel free to object if I'm wrong on any of the routes. FEBRUARY 2024 UPDATEPOSTS IN SPOILERS DUE TO LENGTHPART ONE: 39 - 299: 39: Low trees - Beaumont Road, Southfields
46: Arched bridge - Prince Of Wales Road, Kentish Town
100: Narrow road - Wapping High Street, Wapping
Tight turn onto Cannon Street Road, Shadwell from Cable Street
108 (full route): Height restriction - Blackwall Tunnel (northbound approach), North Greenwich
Low bridge - Carpenters Road, Stratford
112: Overhanging branches and resident objections on Madeley Road, Ealing
117: Low bridge - St. John’s Road, Isleworth
124: Narrow roads - Middle Park Avenue (Mottingham), Battersby Road, Bauldwin Road, Boundfield Road, Castillon Road and Waters Road (North Downham)
Tight turns onto:
Battersby Road from Waters Road, North Downham
Bauldwin Road from Castillon Road, North Downham
Castillon Road from Boundfield Road, North Downham
Castillon Road/Bauldwin Road junction from Castillon Road, North Downham
Hazelbank Road from Bauldwin Road, North Downham
Waters Road from Verdant Lane, North Downham
130: Low bridge - Portland Road, Norwood Junction
138: Narrow road - Layhams Road, Coney Hall
Narrow roads and parked vehicles – Birch Tree Avenue, Chestnut Avenue, Queensway and Sylvan Way, Coney Hall
143: Parked vehicles & resident objections on Long Lane, Finchley
146: Low branches & tight bends - New Road Hill and Rookery Road, Downe
Narrow road and parked vehicles - High Street, Downe
152: Low trees - Carisbrooke Road, Pollards Hill
153: Low branches? - Mackenzie Road, Highbury
162: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Domonic Drive, New Eltham and Imperial Way, Chislehurst
Tight turn onto Molescroft, New Eltham from Domonic Drive
166: Low trees - Chipstead Way, Chipstead and Carshalton Road, Woodmansterne?
167: Low bridge - Roding Road, Loughton
170: Low bridge - Lombard Road, Battersea
181: Low bridge - Southend Lane, Lower Sydenham
192: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Downs Road, Falmer Road, Fotheringham Road, Main Avenue, Roman Way, Seaford Road and St Mark's Road (Bush Hill Park) and Town Road (Edmonton)
Tight turns onto:
Cross Road, Bush Hill Park from Fotheringham Road
Falmer Road, Bush Hill Park from Cross Road
Lincoln Road, Bush Hill Park from Downs Road
Plevna Road, Edmonton from Fore Street
Roman Way, Bush Hill Park from Main Avenue
Wellington Road, Bush Hill Park from Park Avenue
193: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Ascot Gardens, Bevan Way, Essex Gardens, Grosvenor Drive, Hubbards Chase and Newmarket Way, Hornchurch
Low trees? - Bevan Way, Hornchurch
Tight turns onto:
Ascot Gardens from Newmarket Way in both directions
Osborne Road, Hornchurch from Grosvenor Drive
201: Low bridge - Thurlow Park Road, Tulse Hill
209: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
Narrow road with parked vehicles - Avondale Road, Mortlake
214: Low trees on Highgate West Hill, Highgate and resident objections in Highgate Village
218: Low branches? - Eastfields Road and Westfields Road, North Acton
223: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Windermere Avenue, South Kenton
Overhanging branches? - Carlton Avenue East (west arm), Preston Road
224: Low trees within St Raphael's Estate, Neasden
Low tree and parked vehicles? - Iveagh Avenue, Park Royal
225: Low bridges - Sanford Street and Surrey Canal Road, New Cross
Narrow road and parked vehicles - Pagnell Street, New Cross
226: Low bridge - Twyford Abbey Road, Hanger Lane
227: Low bridge - Bromley Road, Shortlands
228: Low bridge - Old Oak Common Lane, East Acton
232: Low trees within St Raphael's Estate, Neasden
233: Low trees on Northview, Swanley
234: Low trees? - Coppetts Road, Muswell Hill and Trott Road, Colney Hatch
235: Resident objections at both Sunbury Village and North Brentford Quarter
244: Low trees on Shrewsbury Lane, Shooters Hill and on Warepoint Drive & Whinchat Road, Thamesmead West
Tight left turn onto Plumstead Common Road, Woolwich from Herbert Road?
251: Overhanging branches on Highwood Hill and Lawrence Street, Mill Hill
255: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Radbourne Road, Clapham
Low trees - Carisbrooke Road, Pollards Hill
265: Narrow slip road with parked vehicles (adjacent to the A3)? - Beverley Way, Coombe
272: Low bridge - Fisher's Lane, Acton Green
273: Low building roof at the Lewisham Tesco stand
Narrow road and parked vehicles - Jevington Way, Lee
276: Low bridges - Manor Road (West Ham), Fairfield Road (Bow) & Wick Lane (Old Ford)
283: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Bryony Road, White City
Low branches? - Bryony Road, White City
284: Low bridge - Bexhill Road, Ladywell
299: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Reservoir Road, Southgate PART TWO: 300 - 969: 300: Low branches? - Gooseley Lane, East Ham
Narrow roads with parked vehicles – Folkestone Road, Gooseley Lane and Park Avenue, East Ham
309: Narrow roads and tight turns within Aberfeldy Estate, Poplar and between Chrisp Street & Zetland Street, Poplar
312 (full route) [from March 2024]: Low bridge on Old Lodge Lane, Reedham
314: Low bridge - Elmstead Lane, Elmstead Woods
315: Low bridge - Bedford Hill, Balham
316 (full route): Resident objections on Royal Crescent, Holland Park
318: Low bridge - Lordship Lane, Tottenham
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Castlewood Road & Craven Park Road (Stamford Hill), Dowsett Road, Gladesmore Road, Grovelands Road, Havelock Road, Rosebery Avenue, Shelbourne Road, Thackeray Avenue, Wargrave Avenue and White Hart Lane (Tottenham)
Tight turns onto:
Gladesmore Road, Tottenham from Grovelands Road
Grovelands Road, Tottenham from Wargrave Avenue
Havelock Road, Tottenham from Thackeray Avenue
Rosebery Avenue, Tottenham from Havelock Road
Thackeray Avenue, Tottenham from Windsor Road
Wargrave Avenue, Tottenham from Tottenham High Road
Windsor Road, Tottenham from Dowsett Road
322: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - St Gothard Road and Vale Street, West Norwood
Tight turns onto:
Bedford Road, Clapham from Landor Road
St Gothard Road, West Norwood from St Cloud Road
323: Low bridge - Bow Common Lane, Bow
324: Low branches? - Old Church Lane, Stanmore
326: Narrow roads and parked vehicles? - Hera Avenue, Barnet and Nether Street, Finchley
327: Low bridge by Turkey Street Station
331: Low trees on Copse Wood Way, Maxwell Road, White Hill (Northwood) and Moorhall Road (Denham)
336: Low bridges - Homesdale Road, Bromley and Page Heath Villas, Bickley
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Brookehowse Road (Bellingham), Page Heath Villas, Southlands Grove & The Avenue (Bickley), Homesdale Road & Turpington Lane (Bromley), Fordmill Road (Catford), Churchdown, Oakshade Road and Rangefield Road (Downham)
Tight turns onto:
Churchdown, Downham from Downham Way
Downderry Road, Downham from Churchdown
Downham Way, Downham from Shroffold Road
Glenbow Road, Downham from Rangefield Road in both directions
Oakshade Road, Downham from Haddington Road
Rangefield Road, Downham from Downham Way
Shroffold Road, Downham from Churchdown
339: Low bridge - Grove Green Road, Leytonstone
Tight turn onto Tarling Street, Shadwell from Watney Street
346 (from March 2024): Low bridge - St. Mary’s Lane, Cranham
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Chatteris Avenue, Harold Hill and St Clements Avenue, Harold Wood
347: Low bridge - St. Mary’s Lane, Cranham
352: Low bridge - Southend Lane, Lower Sydenham
354: Tight turn onto Downs Hill, Ravensbourne from Foxgrove Road
Tight bends around Beck Lane, Beckenham
Narrow road and parked vehicles – Beck Lane, Beckenham
356: Parked vehicles on (and tight turn onto) Wheathill Road, Anerley from Penge Road
357 (Sundays and bank holidays only): Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
358: Low bridge - Bromley Road, Shortlands
Low trees on South Eden Park Road, Eden Park
360: Low bridge - Black Prince Road, Lambeth
362: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Brocket Way and The Lowe, Hainault
364: Resident objections on the Ilford, Perth Road - Goodmayes section?
366: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Eton Road and Sunnyside Road, Ilford
367: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Beckenham Grove (Beckenham), The Glade (Elmers End), Primrose Lane (Addiscombe), Shirley Oaks Road (Shirley), Kingswood Road (Shortlands)
Low trees - Shirley Oaks Road, Shirley?
Tight turn onto Valley Road, Shortlands from Kingswood Road
376: Low branches? - Winsor Park Estate, Beckton
377: Low bridge - Lincoln Road, Ponders End
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Bincote Road, Lonsdale Drive, Private Road and Village Road, Enfield
Tight turns onto:
First Avenue, Bush Hill Park from Trinity Avenue
Private Road, Enfield from Wellington Road
378: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
Narrow road with parked vehicles - Avondale Road, Mortlake
379: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Hawkwood Crescent and Drysdale Avenue, Chingford
380: Low branches on Sundorne Road & Thorntree Road (Charlton) and on Warepoint Drive & Whinchat Road (Thamesmead West)
Tight turn onto Eastcombe Avenue, Charlton from Victoria Way
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Woodland Terrace (Charlton), Battery Road & Hill View Drive (Thamesmead West) and Frances Street (Woolwich)
382: Parked vehicles & resident objections? - Long Lane, Finchley
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Inverforth Road, Palmers Road, Upper Park Road (New Southgate) and Brookside South (Osidge)
Tight turn onto Palmers Road, New Southgate from Upper Park Road
383: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Athenaeum Road & Oakleigh Park North (Oakleigh Park), Woodside Park Road (Woodside Park)
Turning issues at Woodside Park Station
384: Narrow roads with parked vehicles within the New Barnet - Cockfosters section, Salisbury Road, Barnet and the Barnet Hospital - Barnet Road section
385: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Eatons Mead and Valley Side, Chingford
386: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Corelli Road (Blackheath), Dursley Road and Wricklemarsh Road (Kidbrooke)
389: Parked vehicles on Fairfield Way and Sherrards Way, Barnet
Low trees? - Western Way, Barnet
393: Low bridge - Leeside Road, Clapton
Arched bridge - Prince Of Wales Road, Kentish Town
394: Low bridge - Whiston Road, Haggerston
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Ada Street, Andrews Road & Sheep Lane (Hackney), Cherbury Street and Crondall Street (Hoxton)
Overhanging branches? - Lansdowne Drive, Hackney
Tight turns onto:
Clunbury Street, Hoxton from Buckland Street
Purcell Street, Hoxton from Hoxton Street
395: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Currey Road (Greenford), Castle Road and The Fairway (Northolt)
397: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Chingford Grove, Forest Side and Heathcote Grove, Chingford
Overhanging branches? - Forest Side, Chingford
398: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Bedser Drive (Northolt), Chelston Road and Southbourne Gardens (South Ruislip)
399: Narrow road with parked vehicles - Greenbrook Avenue, Hadley Wood
Low trees and traffic calming width restriction? - Hadley Green Road, Barnet
404: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Rutherwick Rise & Stoneyfield Road (Coulsdon), Caterham Drive, Ellis Road, Goodenough Way, The Glade and Tollers Lane (Old Coulsdon)
Low trees? - Tollers Lane, Old Coulsdon
Tight turns onto:
Lacey Green, Old Coulsdon from Ellis Road
Waddington Avenue, Old Coulsdon from Caterham Drive in both directions
410: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Maberley Road, Crystal Palace and Southern Avenue, South Norwood
413: Low branches? - Cannon Hill Lane, Raynes Park
419: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
424: Narrow roads and tight turns - Sands End and Craven Cottage areas, Fulham. Narrow roads in Putney Heath (Chartfield Avenue to Genoa Avenue turn and parked cars along Carslake Road, potentially parking and low trees on Telegraph Road & Wildcroft Road as well)
433: Resident objections on Selsdon Vale, Selsdon
Low branches? - Bardolph Avenue, Forestdale
434 (from March 2024): Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Rickman Hill, Ridgemount Avenue and Woodlands Grove, Coulsdon
Tight turn onto Ridgemount Avenue, Coulsdon from Woodlands Grove
439: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Northwood Avenue, Purley and Oaks Road, Kenley
Tight turn onto Park Road, Kenley from Oaks Road
BASED ON CURRENT 434 ROUTING
450: Narrow road with parked vehicles - Bensham Lane, Thornton Heath
Low trees - Kingswood Drive, Dulwich
455: Low bridge - Old Lodge Lane, Reedham
456: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Beech Avenue, Cypress Avenue, Golf Ride & Rosewood Drive, Crews Hill
462: Low bridge - Forest Road, Fairlop
463: Narrow roads with parked vehicles on Whitethorn Avenue and The Mount, Coulsdon
Low trees - The Mount, Coulsdon
464: Low trees and narrow roads - Ricketts Hill Road, Tatsfield and Jewels Hill, Saltbox Hill & Sheepbarn Lane, Biggin Hill
465: Low trees - Old London Road, Mickleham
469: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Church Manorway, Myrtledene Road and Woodhurst Road, Plumstead
Overhanging branches on Church Manorway, Abbey Wood
470 (from March 2024): Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Love Lane, Morden & Forest Road and Stayton Road, Sutton
484: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Brookbank Road, Harefield Road, Hilly Fields Crescent, Tresillian Road and Vesta Road, Brockley
Low trees on Hilly Fields Crescent, Brockley
Tight turns onto:
Hilly Fields Crescent, Brockley from Tresillian Road
Vesta Road, Brockley from Sprules Road
485: Low bridge - Point Pleasant, Wandsworth
488: Low bridges - Fairfield Road (Bow), Kenworthy Road (Homerton) & Wick Lane (Old Ford)
490: Low trees - Pools on the Park grounds, Richmond
491: Low trees? - Galliard Road, Edmonton
493: Low trees - Beaumont Road, Southfields
Narrow roads within St George's Hospital grounds, Tooting
497: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Chatteris Avenue, Harold Hill and St Clements Avenue, Harold Wood
533: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
631: Narrow roads and tight turns in Hampstead Garden Suburb
646: Low bridge - St. Mary’s Lane, Cranham
665: Low trees - Elgar Avenue, Berrylands
969: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
Parked vehicles and narrow roads - Arabella Drive (East Sheen), Gladstone Avenue, Lincoln Avenue and Rosecroft Gardens (Whitton) PART THREE: B11 - P13: B11: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Alsike Road, Rushdene and Sedgmere Road, Abbey Wood
Low trees? - West Heath Road, Abbey Wood
B13: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burnt Oak Lane, Days Lane & Ramillies Road, Blackfen and Sandhurst Road, Blendon
B14: Low trees and narrow road - Watery Lane, Sidcup
Overhanging branches? - Bexley Lane, Albany Park
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Maylands Drive and Royal Road, Albany Park
C1: Resident objections between Elizabeth Street/Semley Place, Victoria and Sloane Square?
C10: Arched bridge - Abbey Street, Bermondsey
Parked vehicles along Rotherhithe Street, Rotherhithe
C11: Low bridge - Gordon House Road, Gospel Oak
D3: Low bridge - Vallance Road, Bethnal Green
Narrow road - Wapping High Street, Wapping
E5: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Featherstone Road, Gregory Road, Havelock Road, Hilary Road & Sussex Road (Southall), Edison Drive, Fleming Road & Telford Road (Dormers Wells), Conway Crescent, Medway Drive, Thames Avenue & Woodhouse Drive (Perivale)
E6: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Coronation Road, Cranford Drive and Roseville Road, Hayes
E7: Low trees? - Wood Lane, Ruislip
E10: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Ferrymead Avenue and Ferrymead Gardens (Greenford), Belvue Road, Eastcote Lane, Horseshoe Crescent, Islip Manor Road and Rowdell Road (Northolt)
Low trees? - Horseshoe Crescent, Northolt
E11: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Browning Avenue and Framfield Road (Drayton Green), Bridge Avenue, Bordars Road, Copley Close, Gifford Gardens, High Lane & Studland Road (Hanwell)
Overhanging branches? - The Common, Ealing
G1: Low branches? - Clairview Road, Tooting and Aboyne Road, Earlsfield
Narrow roads within St George's Hospital grounds, Tooting
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Broomwood Road, Clapham & Eversleigh Road, Grayshott Road and Sabine Road, Battersea
Tight bend on St George's Grove, Earlsfield
Tight reversal onto Wickersley Road (Shaftesbury Estate) stand, Battersea
H2: Narrow roads and tight turns in Hampstead Garden Suburb
H3: Narrow roads and tight turns in Hampstead Garden Suburb
H9: Low bridge - Headstone Drive, Wealdstone
H10: Low bridge - Headstone Drive, Wealdstone
H13: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Norwich Road and Wiltshire Lane, Northwood
H17: Narrow road with parked vehicles? - Chaplin Road, Wembley
H20: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Heath Road (Hounslow), Worton Road (Isleworth) and Summerwood Road (Twickenham)
H25: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Saxon Avenue and Watermill Way, Hanworth
Tight bend on Main Street, Hanworth?
H26: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Carlton Avenue, Guildford Avenue, Rochester Avenue and Sparrow Farm Drive, Feltham
Tight turn onto Hounslow Road, Feltham from Carlton Avenue
H28: Low bridge - Spring Grove Road, Lampton
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Amhurst Gardens, Ridgeway Road North & Wood Lane (Isleworth), Alcock Road, Brabazon Road, Summerhouse Avenue & Vicarage Farm Road (Heston)
H37: Low bridge - St. John’s Road, Isleworth
K1: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Amberwood Rise, Manor Drive North, Sheephouse Way (New Malden), Thornhill Road (Surbiton), Barnsbury Lane, Knollmead, Red Lion Road, Southwood Drive and Warren Drive South (Tolworth)
Tight bend - Station Avenue, New Malden Station terminus
Tight turn onto Red Lion Road, Tolworth from Thornhill Road
K2: Low bridge - Coombe Road, Norbiton
Low trees - Elgar Avenue, Berrylands
K3: Low bridges - Coombe Road (Norbiton), Ewell Road (Long Ditton) and Hare Lane (Claygate)
K4: Low bridge - Coombe Road, Norbiton
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Hereford Way, Mansfield Road, Ripon Gardens, Stormont Way and Woodgate Avenue, Hook
K5: Low bridges - Coombe Road, Norbiton and Queen Elizabeth Road, Kingston
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Aragon Road, Cardinal Avenue, Cross Road, Latchmere Lane & Staunton Road (Ham), Canbury Park Road and Elm Road (Kingston), Mostyn Road (Merton Park), Franks Avenue, Green Lane, Nelson Road, Rodney Road & South Park Grove (New Malden) and Porchester Road (Norbiton)
Tight turns onto:
King's Road, Kingston from Acre Road
South Lane, New Malden from Green Lane (depending on parked vehicles)
Westbury Road, New Malden from Nelson Road
P4: Resident objections in Dulwich Village
Low trees – Honor Oak Park Road, Honor Oak
P5: Low bridges - Bedford Road (Clapham), Coldharbour Lane (Brixton), Loughborough Road (Loughborough Junction), Stewart's Road and Thessaly Road (Nine Elms)
P12: Low bridge - Gibbon Road, Nunhead
Arched bridge - Southwark Park Road, Bermondsey
Narrow roads and parked vehicles – Asylum Road* (Peckham), Ivydale Road (Nunhead) and Southwark Park Road [eastern arm] (Bermondsey)
Tight turn onto Gibbon Road, Nunhead from Kimberley Avenue
Traffic calming width restrictions? – Ivydale Road, Nunhead
* - Double deck rail replacement routes have used Asylum Road in the past, however may not be feasible for full-time route operation.
P13: Low bridge - Thurlow Park Road, Tulse Hill
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Ivanhoe Road, Underhill Road & Whateley Road (East Dulwich), Avondale Rise & Chadwick Road (Peckham), Downton Avenue (Streatham Hill) and Hillside Road (Tulse Hill)
Tight turns onto:
Bellenden Road, Peckham from Chadwick Road
Blenheim Grove, Peckham from Bellenden Road
Choumert Grove, Peckham from Blenheim Grove
Ivanhoe Road, East Dulwich from Avondale Rise
Tight roundabout navigation – Downton Avenue, Streatham Hill PART FOUR: R1 - W19: R1: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Eton Road, Orpington and Lullingstone Crescent, St Paul's Cray
Low trees? - Repton Road, Orpington
R2: Low trees and narrow road - Melody Road, Biggin Hill
R3: Low bridge - Tudor Way, Petts Wood
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Almond Way, Amherst Drive, Church Hill Wood, Faringdon Avenue, Lovelace Avenue, Oxhawth Crescent, Sefton Road, Shepperton Road, Sherbourne Road, Sidmouth Road & Whitebeam Avenue (Petts Wood), Lower Road and Kent Road (Orpington)
R4: Low bridge - Tubbenden Lane, Orpington
Tight bend onto Main Road, St Paul's Cray from Station Road in both directions
Low branches? - Chelsfield Road, Orpington
Narrow roads - Chelsfield Lane and Cockmannings Road, Orpington
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Beechcroft Road, Northlands Avenue, Renton Road, Rookesley Road & Southlands Avenue (Orpington) and Starts Hill Road (Locksbottom)
R5: Narrow roads - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Clarks Lane & Shoreham Lane (Halstead) and Main Road (Knockholt)
Low trees - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Halstead Lane (Halstead), Main Road and Rushmore Hill (Knockholt)
R6: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burrfield Drive, Crockenhill Road, Lower Road, Molash Road, Kent Road and Sandway Road, Orpington
R7: Low bridge - Tudor Way, Petts Wood
Narrow roads - Hawthorne Road (Bickley), Bucks Cross Road, Church Road & Warren Road (Chelsfield) and Tandridge Drive (Orpington)
Low trees - Bucks Cross Road, Chelsfield and Prince Imperial Road, Chislehurst
Parked vehicles on Sanderson Square, Bickley
Tight bend on Tandridge Drive, Orpington
Tight turns onto:
Bucks Cross Road, Chelsfield from Warren Road
Oldfield Road, Bickley from Blackbrook Lane
Sanderson Square (Aquila Estate) loop, Bickley
R8: Narrow roads - High Street, Luxted Road & North End Lane (Downe), Jail Lane (Biggin Hill) and Shire Lane (Orpington)
Low branches - Luxted Road & North End Lane (Downe), Jail Lane (Biggin Hill) and Shire Lane (Orpington)
Tight bend on Single Street, Berry's Green
R10: Narrow roads - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Clarks Lane & Shoreham Lane (Halstead) and Main Road (Knockholt)
Low trees - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Halstead Lane (Halstead), Main Road and Rushmore Hill (Knockholt)
R11: Low trees within Orpington Hospital grounds
S1: Low branches? - Mill Green Road, Mitcham
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Mill Green Road, Mitcham & Langley Park Road and Erskine Road, Sutton
S2: Low bridge - Station Way, Cheam
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Benhill Road, Duke of Edinburgh Road, Edinburgh Road, Grange Road, Whitby Road and Worcester Road, Sutton
Tight turn onto All Saints Road, Sutton from Grennell Road
BASED ON CURRENT 470 & S4 ROUTINGS
S3 (from March 2024): Low bridge on Langley Park Road, Sutton
Height restriction - Kimpton Road Bus Gate, Sutton
Narrow bus stop path adjacent to low hospital roof - Royal Marsden Hospital, Sutton
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Downs Road (Belmont), Cambridge Road (Carshalton), Manor Drive North (Malden Manor), Langley Avenue & Staines Avenue (North Cheam), Henley Avenue, Kimpton Road & Windsor Avenue (Sutton), Browning Avenue, Dorchester Road, Longfellow Road & The Manor Drive (Worcester Park)
Tight turns onto:
Dorchester Road, Worcester Park from Langley Avenue
Lind Road, Sutton from Lower Road
Longfellow Road, Worcester Park from Browning Avenue
North Cheam Sainsbury's grounds loop
Width restriction - Dorchester Road, Worcester Park
S4 (from March 2024): Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Downs Road (Belmont), Courtney Crescent, Cranfield Road West, Dingwall Road, Queen Mary's Avenue, Stanley Road and Stanley Square (Carshalton) & Grosvenor Road and Ingleby Way (Wallington)
Low trees? - Stanley Square, Carshalton
Narrow bus stop path adjacent to low hospital roof - Royal Marsden Hospital, Sutton
Tight turns onto:
Grosvenor Road, Wallington from Manor Road
Ingleby Way, Wallington from Buckingham Way
Stanley Park Road, Carshalton from Queen Mary's Avenue
SL5: Low trees - South Eden Park Road, Eden Park
U2: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Granville Road, Grosvenor Road and Leybourne Road, Hillingdon
Low trees? - Honeycroft Hill, Uxbridge
U9: Narrow road? - Park Lane, Harefield
U10: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burnham Avenue (Ickenham), Field Way, Heathfield Rise, Hill Lane, Sharps Lane, Southcote Rise, Westcote Rise and Woodville Gardens (Ruislip)
Tight bend on Burnham Avenue, Ickenham
W4: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Broadwater Road, Gloucester Road, Hastings Road, Higham Road, Jarrow Road, Radley Road, The Avenue, Willan Road & Wilmot Road (Tottenham) and Tottenhall Road (Wood Green)
Tight turns onto:
Gloucester Road, Tottenham from Higham Road
Gloucester Road, Tottenham from Willan Road
Higham Road, Haringey from Downhills Park Road
Willan Road, Tottenham from The Avenue
W5: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Bourne Road, Denton Road, Oakfield Road, Uplands Road & Weston Park (Crouch End) and Stanhope Road (Highgate)
Low branches? - Stanhope Road, Highgate
Tight turn onto Uplands Road, Crouch End from Ridge Road
W6: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Northern Avenue and Victoria Road, Edmonton Green
Tight turns onto:
Haselbury Road, Edmonton from Silver Street
Northern Avenue, Edmonton from Victoria Road in both directions
W9: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Holtwhites Hill (Enfield), Hoppers Road and Pennington Drive (Winchmore Hill)
Low branches? – Pennington Drive, Winchmore Hill
W11: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burnside Avenue, George Road, Rowan Avenue (South Chingford) and Millfield Avenue (Walthamstow)
Tight turn onto May Road, South Chingford from George Road
W12: Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Charnwood Drive, Colvin Gardens, Elmcroft Avenue, Grosvenor Road, Nightingale Lane, Stanstead Road (South Woodford), Coppermill Lane, Morland Road, Rensburg Road and Salop Road (Walthamstow)
W12 (from September 2024): Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Coppermill Lane, Morland Road, Rensburg Road and Salop Road, Walthamstow
W14 (from September 2024): Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Charnwood Drive, Colvin Gardens, Elmcroft Avenue, Grosvenor Road, Nightingale Lane and Stanstead Road, South Woodford
W15: Low bridge - Grove Green Road, Leytonstone
Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
W16: Low bridge - Hainault Road, Leyton
W19: Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital Are parked cars on Chaplain Road really the issue that prevents double deckers from going on the H17? |
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Post by bk10mfe on Feb 27, 2024 9:40:09 GMT
For the past two to three weeks, I have been expanding on LondonNorthern's list from 2020 and filling in the gaps for routes which haven't been spoken for or adding in extra details for those that have. I used posts on this forum, posts on other groups (The Londoner for example), Google Maps and Apple Maps as guides. Newer routes such as 378, 439, S2 and SL5 have also been added to the list. This is not official but it gives extra insight on what could or is likely to be hindering certain single deck routes from using double deckers, being allocated them or even doing the full route with them. I have put question marks by those that I wasn't too sure of and which could need further clarification. Feel free to object if I'm wrong on any of the routes. FEBRUARY 2024 UPDATEPOSTS IN SPOILERS DUE TO LENGTHPART ONE: 39 - 299: 39: Low trees - Beaumont Road, Southfields
46: Arched bridge - Prince Of Wales Road, Kentish Town
100: Narrow road - Wapping High Street, Wapping
Tight turn onto Cannon Street Road, Shadwell from Cable Street
108 (full route): Height restriction - Blackwall Tunnel (northbound approach), North Greenwich
Low bridge - Carpenters Road, Stratford
112: Overhanging branches and resident objections on Madeley Road, Ealing
117: Low bridge - St. John’s Road, Isleworth
124: Narrow roads - Middle Park Avenue (Mottingham), Battersby Road, Bauldwin Road, Boundfield Road, Castillon Road and Waters Road (North Downham)
Tight turns onto:
Battersby Road from Waters Road, North Downham
Bauldwin Road from Castillon Road, North Downham
Castillon Road from Boundfield Road, North Downham
Castillon Road/Bauldwin Road junction from Castillon Road, North Downham
Hazelbank Road from Bauldwin Road, North Downham
Waters Road from Verdant Lane, North Downham
130: Low bridge - Portland Road, Norwood Junction
138: Narrow road - Layhams Road, Coney Hall
Narrow roads and parked vehicles – Birch Tree Avenue, Chestnut Avenue, Queensway and Sylvan Way, Coney Hall
143: Parked vehicles & resident objections on Long Lane, Finchley
146: Low branches & tight bends - New Road Hill and Rookery Road, Downe
Narrow road and parked vehicles - High Street, Downe
152: Low trees - Carisbrooke Road, Pollards Hill
153: Low branches? - Mackenzie Road, Highbury
162: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Domonic Drive, New Eltham and Imperial Way, Chislehurst
Tight turn onto Molescroft, New Eltham from Domonic Drive
166: Low trees - Chipstead Way, Chipstead and Carshalton Road, Woodmansterne?
167: Low bridge - Roding Road, Loughton
170: Low bridge - Lombard Road, Battersea
181: Low bridge - Southend Lane, Lower Sydenham
192: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Downs Road, Falmer Road, Fotheringham Road, Main Avenue, Roman Way, Seaford Road and St Mark's Road (Bush Hill Park) and Town Road (Edmonton)
Tight turns onto:
Cross Road, Bush Hill Park from Fotheringham Road
Falmer Road, Bush Hill Park from Cross Road
Lincoln Road, Bush Hill Park from Downs Road
Plevna Road, Edmonton from Fore Street
Roman Way, Bush Hill Park from Main Avenue
Wellington Road, Bush Hill Park from Park Avenue
193: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Ascot Gardens, Bevan Way, Essex Gardens, Grosvenor Drive, Hubbards Chase and Newmarket Way, Hornchurch
Low trees? - Bevan Way, Hornchurch
Tight turns onto:
Ascot Gardens from Newmarket Way in both directions
Osborne Road, Hornchurch from Grosvenor Drive
201: Low bridge - Thurlow Park Road, Tulse Hill
209: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
Narrow road with parked vehicles - Avondale Road, Mortlake
214: Low trees on Highgate West Hill, Highgate and resident objections in Highgate Village
218: Low branches? - Eastfields Road and Westfields Road, North Acton
223: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Windermere Avenue, South Kenton
Overhanging branches? - Carlton Avenue East (west arm), Preston Road
224: Low trees within St Raphael's Estate, Neasden
Low tree and parked vehicles? - Iveagh Avenue, Park Royal
225: Low bridges - Sanford Street and Surrey Canal Road, New Cross
Narrow road and parked vehicles - Pagnell Street, New Cross
226: Low bridge - Twyford Abbey Road, Hanger Lane
227: Low bridge - Bromley Road, Shortlands
228: Low bridge - Old Oak Common Lane, East Acton
232: Low trees within St Raphael's Estate, Neasden
233: Low trees on Northview, Swanley
234: Low trees? - Coppetts Road, Muswell Hill and Trott Road, Colney Hatch
235: Resident objections at both Sunbury Village and North Brentford Quarter
244: Low trees on Shrewsbury Lane, Shooters Hill and on Warepoint Drive & Whinchat Road, Thamesmead West
Tight left turn onto Plumstead Common Road, Woolwich from Herbert Road?
251: Overhanging branches on Highwood Hill and Lawrence Street, Mill Hill
255: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Radbourne Road, Clapham
Low trees - Carisbrooke Road, Pollards Hill
265: Narrow slip road with parked vehicles (adjacent to the A3)? - Beverley Way, Coombe
272: Low bridge - Fisher's Lane, Acton Green
273: Low building roof at the Lewisham Tesco stand
Narrow road and parked vehicles - Jevington Way, Lee
276: Low bridges - Manor Road (West Ham), Fairfield Road (Bow) & Wick Lane (Old Ford)
283: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Bryony Road, White City
Low branches? - Bryony Road, White City
284: Low bridge - Bexhill Road, Ladywell
299: Narrow road and parked vehicles - Reservoir Road, Southgate PART TWO: 300 - 969: 300: Low branches? - Gooseley Lane, East Ham
Narrow roads with parked vehicles – Folkestone Road, Gooseley Lane and Park Avenue, East Ham
309: Narrow roads and tight turns within Aberfeldy Estate, Poplar and between Chrisp Street & Zetland Street, Poplar
312 (full route) [from March 2024]: Low bridge on Old Lodge Lane, Reedham
314: Low bridge - Elmstead Lane, Elmstead Woods
315: Low bridge - Bedford Hill, Balham
316 (full route): Resident objections on Royal Crescent, Holland Park
318: Low bridge - Lordship Lane, Tottenham
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Castlewood Road & Craven Park Road (Stamford Hill), Dowsett Road, Gladesmore Road, Grovelands Road, Havelock Road, Rosebery Avenue, Shelbourne Road, Thackeray Avenue, Wargrave Avenue and White Hart Lane (Tottenham)
Tight turns onto:
Gladesmore Road, Tottenham from Grovelands Road
Grovelands Road, Tottenham from Wargrave Avenue
Havelock Road, Tottenham from Thackeray Avenue
Rosebery Avenue, Tottenham from Havelock Road
Thackeray Avenue, Tottenham from Windsor Road
Wargrave Avenue, Tottenham from Tottenham High Road
Windsor Road, Tottenham from Dowsett Road
322: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - St Gothard Road and Vale Street, West Norwood
Tight turns onto:
Bedford Road, Clapham from Landor Road
St Gothard Road, West Norwood from St Cloud Road
323: Low bridge - Bow Common Lane, Bow
324: Low branches? - Old Church Lane, Stanmore
326: Narrow roads and parked vehicles? - Hera Avenue, Barnet and Nether Street, Finchley
327: Low bridge by Turkey Street Station
331: Low trees on Copse Wood Way, Maxwell Road, White Hill (Northwood) and Moorhall Road (Denham)
336: Low bridges - Homesdale Road, Bromley and Page Heath Villas, Bickley
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Brookehowse Road (Bellingham), Page Heath Villas, Southlands Grove & The Avenue (Bickley), Homesdale Road & Turpington Lane (Bromley), Fordmill Road (Catford), Churchdown, Oakshade Road and Rangefield Road (Downham)
Tight turns onto:
Churchdown, Downham from Downham Way
Downderry Road, Downham from Churchdown
Downham Way, Downham from Shroffold Road
Glenbow Road, Downham from Rangefield Road in both directions
Oakshade Road, Downham from Haddington Road
Rangefield Road, Downham from Downham Way
Shroffold Road, Downham from Churchdown
339: Low bridge - Grove Green Road, Leytonstone
Tight turn onto Tarling Street, Shadwell from Watney Street
346 (from March 2024): Low bridge - St. Mary’s Lane, Cranham
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Chatteris Avenue, Harold Hill and St Clements Avenue, Harold Wood
347: Low bridge - St. Mary’s Lane, Cranham
352: Low bridge - Southend Lane, Lower Sydenham
354: Tight turn onto Downs Hill, Ravensbourne from Foxgrove Road
Tight bends around Beck Lane, Beckenham
Narrow road and parked vehicles – Beck Lane, Beckenham
356: Parked vehicles on (and tight turn onto) Wheathill Road, Anerley from Penge Road
357 (Sundays and bank holidays only): Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
358: Low bridge - Bromley Road, Shortlands
Low trees on South Eden Park Road, Eden Park
360: Low bridge - Black Prince Road, Lambeth
362: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Brocket Way and The Lowe, Hainault
364: Resident objections on the Ilford, Perth Road - Goodmayes section?
366: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Eton Road and Sunnyside Road, Ilford
367: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Beckenham Grove (Beckenham), The Glade (Elmers End), Primrose Lane (Addiscombe), Shirley Oaks Road (Shirley), Kingswood Road (Shortlands)
Low trees - Shirley Oaks Road, Shirley?
Tight turn onto Valley Road, Shortlands from Kingswood Road
376: Low branches? - Winsor Park Estate, Beckton
377: Low bridge - Lincoln Road, Ponders End
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Bincote Road, Lonsdale Drive, Private Road and Village Road, Enfield
Tight turns onto:
First Avenue, Bush Hill Park from Trinity Avenue
Private Road, Enfield from Wellington Road
378: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
Narrow road with parked vehicles - Avondale Road, Mortlake
379: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Hawkwood Crescent and Drysdale Avenue, Chingford
380: Low branches on Sundorne Road & Thorntree Road (Charlton) and on Warepoint Drive & Whinchat Road (Thamesmead West)
Tight turn onto Eastcombe Avenue, Charlton from Victoria Way
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Woodland Terrace (Charlton), Battery Road & Hill View Drive (Thamesmead West) and Frances Street (Woolwich)
382: Parked vehicles & resident objections? - Long Lane, Finchley
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Inverforth Road, Palmers Road, Upper Park Road (New Southgate) and Brookside South (Osidge)
Tight turn onto Palmers Road, New Southgate from Upper Park Road
383: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Athenaeum Road & Oakleigh Park North (Oakleigh Park), Woodside Park Road (Woodside Park)
Turning issues at Woodside Park Station
384: Narrow roads with parked vehicles within the New Barnet - Cockfosters section, Salisbury Road, Barnet and the Barnet Hospital - Barnet Road section
385: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Eatons Mead and Valley Side, Chingford
386: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Corelli Road (Blackheath), Dursley Road and Wricklemarsh Road (Kidbrooke)
389: Parked vehicles on Fairfield Way and Sherrards Way, Barnet
Low trees? - Western Way, Barnet
393: Low bridge - Leeside Road, Clapton
Arched bridge - Prince Of Wales Road, Kentish Town
394: Low bridge - Whiston Road, Haggerston
Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Ada Street, Andrews Road & Sheep Lane (Hackney), Cherbury Street and Crondall Street (Hoxton)
Overhanging branches? - Lansdowne Drive, Hackney
Tight turns onto:
Clunbury Street, Hoxton from Buckland Street
Purcell Street, Hoxton from Hoxton Street
395: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Currey Road (Greenford), Castle Road and The Fairway (Northolt)
397: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Chingford Grove, Forest Side and Heathcote Grove, Chingford
Overhanging branches? - Forest Side, Chingford
398: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Bedser Drive (Northolt), Chelston Road and Southbourne Gardens (South Ruislip)
399: Narrow road with parked vehicles - Greenbrook Avenue, Hadley Wood
Low trees and traffic calming width restriction? - Hadley Green Road, Barnet
404: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Rutherwick Rise & Stoneyfield Road (Coulsdon), Caterham Drive, Ellis Road, Goodenough Way, The Glade and Tollers Lane (Old Coulsdon)
Low trees? - Tollers Lane, Old Coulsdon
Tight turns onto:
Lacey Green, Old Coulsdon from Ellis Road
Waddington Avenue, Old Coulsdon from Caterham Drive in both directions
410: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Maberley Road, Crystal Palace and Southern Avenue, South Norwood
413: Low branches? - Cannon Hill Lane, Raynes Park
419: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
424: Narrow roads and tight turns - Sands End and Craven Cottage areas, Fulham. Narrow roads in Putney Heath (Chartfield Avenue to Genoa Avenue turn and parked cars along Carslake Road, potentially parking and low trees on Telegraph Road & Wildcroft Road as well)
433: Resident objections on Selsdon Vale, Selsdon
Low branches? - Bardolph Avenue, Forestdale
434 (from March 2024): Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Rickman Hill, Ridgemount Avenue and Woodlands Grove, Coulsdon
Tight turn onto Ridgemount Avenue, Coulsdon from Woodlands Grove
439: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Northwood Avenue, Purley and Oaks Road, Kenley
Tight turn onto Park Road, Kenley from Oaks Road
BASED ON CURRENT 434 ROUTING
450: Narrow road with parked vehicles - Bensham Lane, Thornton Heath
Low trees - Kingswood Drive, Dulwich
455: Low bridge - Old Lodge Lane, Reedham
456: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Beech Avenue, Cypress Avenue, Golf Ride & Rosewood Drive, Crews Hill
462: Low bridge - Forest Road, Fairlop
463: Narrow roads with parked vehicles on Whitethorn Avenue and The Mount, Coulsdon
Low trees - The Mount, Coulsdon
464: Low trees and narrow roads - Ricketts Hill Road, Tatsfield and Jewels Hill, Saltbox Hill & Sheepbarn Lane, Biggin Hill
465: Low trees - Old London Road, Mickleham
469: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Church Manorway, Myrtledene Road and Woodhurst Road, Plumstead
Overhanging branches on Church Manorway, Abbey Wood
470 (from March 2024): Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Love Lane, Morden & Forest Road and Stayton Road, Sutton
484: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Brookbank Road, Harefield Road, Hilly Fields Crescent, Tresillian Road and Vesta Road, Brockley
Low trees on Hilly Fields Crescent, Brockley
Tight turns onto:
Hilly Fields Crescent, Brockley from Tresillian Road
Vesta Road, Brockley from Sprules Road
485: Low bridge - Point Pleasant, Wandsworth
488: Low bridges - Fairfield Road (Bow), Kenworthy Road (Homerton) & Wick Lane (Old Ford)
490: Low trees - Pools on the Park grounds, Richmond
491: Low trees? - Galliard Road, Edmonton
493: Low trees - Beaumont Road, Southfields
Narrow roads within St George's Hospital grounds, Tooting
497: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Chatteris Avenue, Harold Hill and St Clements Avenue, Harold Wood
533: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
631: Narrow roads and tight turns in Hampstead Garden Suburb
646: Low bridge - St. Mary’s Lane, Cranham
665: Low trees - Elgar Avenue, Berrylands
969: Arched bridge by Barnes Bridge Station
Parked vehicles and narrow roads - Arabella Drive (East Sheen), Gladstone Avenue, Lincoln Avenue and Rosecroft Gardens (Whitton) PART THREE: B11 - P13: B11: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Alsike Road, Rushdene and Sedgmere Road, Abbey Wood
Low trees? - West Heath Road, Abbey Wood
B13: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burnt Oak Lane, Days Lane & Ramillies Road, Blackfen and Sandhurst Road, Blendon
B14: Low trees and narrow road - Watery Lane, Sidcup
Overhanging branches? - Bexley Lane, Albany Park
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Maylands Drive and Royal Road, Albany Park
C1: Resident objections between Elizabeth Street/Semley Place, Victoria and Sloane Square?
C10: Arched bridge - Abbey Street, Bermondsey
Parked vehicles along Rotherhithe Street, Rotherhithe
C11: Low bridge - Gordon House Road, Gospel Oak
D3: Low bridge - Vallance Road, Bethnal Green
Narrow road - Wapping High Street, Wapping
E5: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Featherstone Road, Gregory Road, Havelock Road, Hilary Road & Sussex Road (Southall), Edison Drive, Fleming Road & Telford Road (Dormers Wells), Conway Crescent, Medway Drive, Thames Avenue & Woodhouse Drive (Perivale)
E6: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Coronation Road, Cranford Drive and Roseville Road, Hayes
E7: Low trees? - Wood Lane, Ruislip
E10: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Ferrymead Avenue and Ferrymead Gardens (Greenford), Belvue Road, Eastcote Lane, Horseshoe Crescent, Islip Manor Road and Rowdell Road (Northolt)
Low trees? - Horseshoe Crescent, Northolt
E11: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Browning Avenue and Framfield Road (Drayton Green), Bridge Avenue, Bordars Road, Copley Close, Gifford Gardens, High Lane & Studland Road (Hanwell)
Overhanging branches? - The Common, Ealing
G1: Low branches? - Clairview Road, Tooting and Aboyne Road, Earlsfield
Narrow roads within St George's Hospital grounds, Tooting
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Broomwood Road, Clapham & Eversleigh Road, Grayshott Road and Sabine Road, Battersea
Tight bend on St George's Grove, Earlsfield
Tight reversal onto Wickersley Road (Shaftesbury Estate) stand, Battersea
H2: Narrow roads and tight turns in Hampstead Garden Suburb
H3: Narrow roads and tight turns in Hampstead Garden Suburb
H9: Low bridge - Headstone Drive, Wealdstone
H10: Low bridge - Headstone Drive, Wealdstone
H13: Narrow roads with parked vehicles - Norwich Road and Wiltshire Lane, Northwood
H17: Narrow road with parked vehicles? - Chaplin Road, Wembley
H20: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Heath Road (Hounslow), Worton Road (Isleworth) and Summerwood Road (Twickenham)
H25: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Saxon Avenue and Watermill Way, Hanworth
Tight bend on Main Street, Hanworth?
H26: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Carlton Avenue, Guildford Avenue, Rochester Avenue and Sparrow Farm Drive, Feltham
Tight turn onto Hounslow Road, Feltham from Carlton Avenue
H28: Low bridge - Spring Grove Road, Lampton
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Amhurst Gardens, Ridgeway Road North & Wood Lane (Isleworth), Alcock Road, Brabazon Road, Summerhouse Avenue & Vicarage Farm Road (Heston)
H37: Low bridge - St. John’s Road, Isleworth
K1: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Amberwood Rise, Manor Drive North, Sheephouse Way (New Malden), Thornhill Road (Surbiton), Barnsbury Lane, Knollmead, Red Lion Road, Southwood Drive and Warren Drive South (Tolworth)
Tight bend - Station Avenue, New Malden Station terminus
Tight turn onto Red Lion Road, Tolworth from Thornhill Road
K2: Low bridge - Coombe Road, Norbiton
Low trees - Elgar Avenue, Berrylands
K3: Low bridges - Coombe Road (Norbiton), Ewell Road (Long Ditton) and Hare Lane (Claygate)
K4: Low bridge - Coombe Road, Norbiton
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Hereford Way, Mansfield Road, Ripon Gardens, Stormont Way and Woodgate Avenue, Hook
K5: Low bridges - Coombe Road, Norbiton and Queen Elizabeth Road, Kingston
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Aragon Road, Cardinal Avenue, Cross Road, Latchmere Lane & Staunton Road (Ham), Canbury Park Road and Elm Road (Kingston), Mostyn Road (Merton Park), Franks Avenue, Green Lane, Nelson Road, Rodney Road & South Park Grove (New Malden) and Porchester Road (Norbiton)
Tight turns onto:
King's Road, Kingston from Acre Road
South Lane, New Malden from Green Lane (depending on parked vehicles)
Westbury Road, New Malden from Nelson Road
P4: Resident objections in Dulwich Village
Low trees – Honor Oak Park Road, Honor Oak
P5: Low bridges - Bedford Road (Clapham), Coldharbour Lane (Brixton), Loughborough Road (Loughborough Junction), Stewart's Road and Thessaly Road (Nine Elms)
P12: Low bridge - Gibbon Road, Nunhead
Arched bridge - Southwark Park Road, Bermondsey
Narrow roads and parked vehicles – Asylum Road* (Peckham), Ivydale Road (Nunhead) and Southwark Park Road [eastern arm] (Bermondsey)
Tight turn onto Gibbon Road, Nunhead from Kimberley Avenue
Traffic calming width restrictions? – Ivydale Road, Nunhead
* - Double deck rail replacement routes have used Asylum Road in the past, however may not be feasible for full-time route operation.
P13: Low bridge - Thurlow Park Road, Tulse Hill
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Ivanhoe Road, Underhill Road & Whateley Road (East Dulwich), Avondale Rise & Chadwick Road (Peckham), Downton Avenue (Streatham Hill) and Hillside Road (Tulse Hill)
Tight turns onto:
Bellenden Road, Peckham from Chadwick Road
Blenheim Grove, Peckham from Bellenden Road
Choumert Grove, Peckham from Blenheim Grove
Ivanhoe Road, East Dulwich from Avondale Rise
Tight roundabout navigation – Downton Avenue, Streatham Hill PART FOUR: R1 - W19: R1: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Eton Road, Orpington and Lullingstone Crescent, St Paul's Cray
Low trees? - Repton Road, Orpington
R2: Low trees and narrow road - Melody Road, Biggin Hill
R3: Low bridge - Tudor Way, Petts Wood
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Almond Way, Amherst Drive, Church Hill Wood, Faringdon Avenue, Lovelace Avenue, Oxhawth Crescent, Sefton Road, Shepperton Road, Sherbourne Road, Sidmouth Road & Whitebeam Avenue (Petts Wood), Lower Road and Kent Road (Orpington)
R4: Low bridge - Tubbenden Lane, Orpington
Tight bend onto Main Road, St Paul's Cray from Station Road in both directions
Low branches? - Chelsfield Road, Orpington
Narrow roads - Chelsfield Lane and Cockmannings Road, Orpington
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Beechcroft Road, Northlands Avenue, Renton Road, Rookesley Road & Southlands Avenue (Orpington) and Starts Hill Road (Locksbottom)
R5: Narrow roads - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Clarks Lane & Shoreham Lane (Halstead) and Main Road (Knockholt)
Low trees - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Halstead Lane (Halstead), Main Road and Rushmore Hill (Knockholt)
R6: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burrfield Drive, Crockenhill Road, Lower Road, Molash Road, Kent Road and Sandway Road, Orpington
R7: Low bridge - Tudor Way, Petts Wood
Narrow roads - Hawthorne Road (Bickley), Bucks Cross Road, Church Road & Warren Road (Chelsfield) and Tandridge Drive (Orpington)
Low trees - Bucks Cross Road, Chelsfield and Prince Imperial Road, Chislehurst
Parked vehicles on Sanderson Square, Bickley
Tight bend on Tandridge Drive, Orpington
Tight turns onto:
Bucks Cross Road, Chelsfield from Warren Road
Oldfield Road, Bickley from Blackbrook Lane
Sanderson Square (Aquila Estate) loop, Bickley
R8: Narrow roads - High Street, Luxted Road & North End Lane (Downe), Jail Lane (Biggin Hill) and Shire Lane (Orpington)
Low branches - Luxted Road & North End Lane (Downe), Jail Lane (Biggin Hill) and Shire Lane (Orpington)
Tight bend on Single Street, Berry's Green
R10: Narrow roads - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Clarks Lane & Shoreham Lane (Halstead) and Main Road (Knockholt)
Low trees - Cudham Lane North & Cudham Lane South (Cudham), Halstead Lane (Halstead), Main Road and Rushmore Hill (Knockholt)
R11: Low trees within Orpington Hospital grounds
S1: Low branches? - Mill Green Road, Mitcham
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Mill Green Road, Mitcham & Langley Park Road and Erskine Road, Sutton
S2: Low bridge - Station Way, Cheam
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Benhill Road, Duke of Edinburgh Road, Edinburgh Road, Grange Road, Whitby Road and Worcester Road, Sutton
Tight turn onto All Saints Road, Sutton from Grennell Road
BASED ON CURRENT 470 & S4 ROUTINGS
S3 (from March 2024): Low bridge on Langley Park Road, Sutton
Height restriction - Kimpton Road Bus Gate, Sutton
Narrow bus stop path adjacent to low hospital roof - Royal Marsden Hospital, Sutton
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Downs Road (Belmont), Cambridge Road (Carshalton), Manor Drive North (Malden Manor), Langley Avenue & Staines Avenue (North Cheam), Henley Avenue, Kimpton Road & Windsor Avenue (Sutton), Browning Avenue, Dorchester Road, Longfellow Road & The Manor Drive (Worcester Park)
Tight turns onto:
Dorchester Road, Worcester Park from Langley Avenue
Lind Road, Sutton from Lower Road
Longfellow Road, Worcester Park from Browning Avenue
North Cheam Sainsbury's grounds loop
Width restriction - Dorchester Road, Worcester Park
S4 (from March 2024): Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Downs Road (Belmont), Courtney Crescent, Cranfield Road West, Dingwall Road, Queen Mary's Avenue, Stanley Road and Stanley Square (Carshalton) & Grosvenor Road and Ingleby Way (Wallington)
Low trees? - Stanley Square, Carshalton
Narrow bus stop path adjacent to low hospital roof - Royal Marsden Hospital, Sutton
Tight turns onto:
Grosvenor Road, Wallington from Manor Road
Ingleby Way, Wallington from Buckingham Way
Stanley Park Road, Carshalton from Queen Mary's Avenue
SL5: Low trees - South Eden Park Road, Eden Park
U2: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Granville Road, Grosvenor Road and Leybourne Road, Hillingdon
Low trees? - Honeycroft Hill, Uxbridge
U9: Narrow road? - Park Lane, Harefield
U10: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burnham Avenue (Ickenham), Field Way, Heathfield Rise, Hill Lane, Sharps Lane, Southcote Rise, Westcote Rise and Woodville Gardens (Ruislip)
Tight bend on Burnham Avenue, Ickenham
W4: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Broadwater Road, Gloucester Road, Hastings Road, Higham Road, Jarrow Road, Radley Road, The Avenue, Willan Road & Wilmot Road (Tottenham) and Tottenhall Road (Wood Green)
Tight turns onto:
Gloucester Road, Tottenham from Higham Road
Gloucester Road, Tottenham from Willan Road
Higham Road, Haringey from Downhills Park Road
Willan Road, Tottenham from The Avenue
W5: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Bourne Road, Denton Road, Oakfield Road, Uplands Road & Weston Park (Crouch End) and Stanhope Road (Highgate)
Low branches? - Stanhope Road, Highgate
Tight turn onto Uplands Road, Crouch End from Ridge Road
W6: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Northern Avenue and Victoria Road, Edmonton Green
Tight turns onto:
Haselbury Road, Edmonton from Silver Street
Northern Avenue, Edmonton from Victoria Road in both directions
W9: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Holtwhites Hill (Enfield), Hoppers Road and Pennington Drive (Winchmore Hill)
Low branches? – Pennington Drive, Winchmore Hill
W11: Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Burnside Avenue, George Road, Rowan Avenue (South Chingford) and Millfield Avenue (Walthamstow)
Tight turn onto May Road, South Chingford from George Road
W12: Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Charnwood Drive, Colvin Gardens, Elmcroft Avenue, Grosvenor Road, Nightingale Lane, Stanstead Road (South Woodford), Coppermill Lane, Morland Road, Rensburg Road and Salop Road (Walthamstow)
W12 (from September 2024): Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Coppermill Lane, Morland Road, Rensburg Road and Salop Road, Walthamstow
W14 (from September 2024): Narrow roads and parked vehicles - Charnwood Drive, Colvin Gardens, Elmcroft Avenue, Grosvenor Road, Nightingale Lane and Stanstead Road, South Woodford
W15: Low bridge - Grove Green Road, Leytonstone
Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital
W16: Low bridge - Hainault Road, Leyton
W19: Height restriction - Hospital Walkway Bridge, Whipps Cross University Hospital Are parked cars on Chaplain Road really the issue that prevents double deckers from going on the H17? The 258 was proposed to run over the full length of the H17 so there aren’t any restrictions on that route. |
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