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Post by DT 11 on May 11, 2024 16:45:02 GMT
The SL16 if it does happen will introduce the suggested link. Indeed but via more of the A205 and more congestion as a result Yes and that’s a good reason the 201 should remain as it is. |
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Post by PGAT on May 12, 2024 20:18:26 GMT
What is stopping the 450 from being decked? There are no low bridges to speak of and longer 10.2m EVs are capable of running the route just fine
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on May 12, 2024 20:28:29 GMT
What is stopping the 450 from being decked? There are no low bridges to speak of and longer 10.2m EVs are capable of running the route just fine Low trees and tight turns is what would make most sense to me. And probably the fact that it’s mostly a residential route |
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 20:38:04 GMT
What is stopping the 450 from being decked? There are no low bridges to speak of and longer 10.2m EVs are capable of running the route just fine One of the most obvious reasons is tight roads alongside many other single decker routes. I’ve seen a Go Ahead double decker training bus driving along the 124 route along Boundfield Road & Waters Road not suitable for normal service. A double decker can get through however it would not be suitable for normal service the most obvious thing where two buses meet. 10.2m buses should not even be on it in my opinion from doing that route many times the amount of times I’ve had to fit through some of the tightest gaps was absolutely shocking between Spa Hill & West Croydon this is the part of the route with the tightest roads. Driving an ENX around the B13 was much easier then doing the 450 at times believe me! Bensham Lane is a nightmare because of drivers who obtained licenses from Legoland Driving School and so is Osbourne Road & Northwood Road junction due to Illegal parking. What is stopping the 450 from being decked? There are no low bridges to speak of and longer 10.2m EVs are capable of running the route just fine Low trees and tight turns is what would make most sense to me. And probably the fact that it’s mostly a residential route Low Trees there are none… |
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Post by PGAT on May 12, 2024 20:43:18 GMT
Actually yeah I think there are low trees on Fountain Drive
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 20:46:44 GMT
Actually yeah I think there are low trees on Fountain Drive You mean Kingswood Drive however you are driving in the middle of the road. Rail Replacements use that road all the time. Fountain Drive has no low trees. |
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 20:57:26 GMT
Actually yeah I think there are low trees on Fountain Drive Sorry correction there are a few on Fountain Drive not many. Not done the route since it left so couldn’t remember. Overall there are not that many and as mentioned above Rail Replacements use it all the time. |
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Post by vjaska on May 12, 2024 21:09:43 GMT
What is stopping the 450 from being decked? There are no low bridges to speak of and longer 10.2m EVs are capable of running the route just fine One of the most obvious reasons is tight roads alongside many other single decker routes. I’ve seen a Go Ahead double decker training bus driving along the 124 route along Boundfield Road & Waters Road not suitable for normal service. A double decker can get through however it would not be suitable for normal service the most obvious thing where two buses meet. 10.2m buses should not even be on it in my opinion from doing that route many times the amount of times I’ve had to fit through some of the tightest gaps was absolutely shocking between Spa Hill & West Croydon this is the part of the route with the tightest roads. Driving an ENX around the B13 was much easier then doing the 450 at times believe me! Bensham Lane is a nightmare because of drivers who obtained licenses from Legoland Driving School and so is Osbourne Road & Northwood Road junction due to Illegal parking. Low trees and tight turns is what would make most sense to me. And probably the fact that it’s mostly a residential route Low Trees there are none…I rode a 10.2m SEe over the whole 450 towards Lower Sydenham as I was curious on the bits that were tricky and there was one turn that stood out - the turn from Chevening Road to Hermitage Road was very tight, too tight for my liking where there next to no room between the bus and the bollards on the corner. The bus handled the rest of the route fine that day. I imagine the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane towards Croydon is a problem as well though I never saw that in action? |
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 21:22:08 GMT
One of the most obvious reasons is tight roads alongside many other single decker routes. I’ve seen a Go Ahead double decker training bus driving along the 124 route along Boundfield Road & Waters Road not suitable for normal service. A double decker can get through however it would not be suitable for normal service the most obvious thing where two buses meet. 10.2m buses should not even be on it in my opinion from doing that route many times the amount of times I’ve had to fit through some of the tightest gaps was absolutely shocking between Spa Hill & West Croydon this is the part of the route with the tightest roads. Driving an ENX around the B13 was much easier then doing the 450 at times believe me! Bensham Lane is a nightmare because of drivers who obtained licenses from Legoland Driving School and so is Osbourne Road & Northwood Road junction due to Illegal parking. Low Trees there are none…I rode a 10.2m SEe over the whole 450 towards Lower Sydenham as I was curious on the bits that were tricky and there was one turn that stood out - the turn from Chevening Road to Hermitage Road was very tight, too tight for my liking where there next to no room between the bus and the bollards on the corner. The bus handled the rest of the route fine that day. I imagine the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane towards Croydon is a problem as well though I never saw that in action? Nothing more can be said the two left turns you have just described are actually the worst offenders. Bensham Lane being the number 1 because of that community centre and when it is in use people park anywhere making a nightmare for all traffic to get in and out of that road. |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on May 12, 2024 21:28:47 GMT
What is stopping the 450 from being decked? There are no low bridges to speak of and longer 10.2m EVs are capable of running the route just fine One of the most obvious reasons is tight roads alongside many other single decker routes. I’ve seen a Go Ahead double decker training bus driving along the 124 route along Boundfield Road & Waters Road not suitable for normal service. A double decker can get through however it would not be suitable for normal service the most obvious thing where two buses meet. 10.2m buses should not even be on it in my opinion from doing that route many times the amount of times I’ve had to fit through some of the tightest gaps was absolutely shocking between Spa Hill & West Croydon this is the part of the route with the tightest roads. Driving an ENX around the B13 was much easier then doing the 450 at times believe me! Bensham Lane is a nightmare because of drivers who obtained licenses from Legoland Driving School and so is Osbourne Road & Northwood Road junction due to Illegal parking. Low trees and tight turns is what would make most sense to me. And probably the fact that it’s mostly a residential route Low Trees there are none…In the West Dulwich area I’m sure there are |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on May 12, 2024 21:31:20 GMT
One of the most obvious reasons is tight roads alongside many other single decker routes. I’ve seen a Go Ahead double decker training bus driving along the 124 route along Boundfield Road & Waters Road not suitable for normal service. A double decker can get through however it would not be suitable for normal service the most obvious thing where two buses meet. 10.2m buses should not even be on it in my opinion from doing that route many times the amount of times I’ve had to fit through some of the tightest gaps was absolutely shocking between Spa Hill & West Croydon this is the part of the route with the tightest roads. Driving an ENX around the B13 was much easier then doing the 450 at times believe me! Bensham Lane is a nightmare because of drivers who obtained licenses from Legoland Driving School and so is Osbourne Road & Northwood Road junction due to Illegal parking. Low Trees there are none…I rode a 10.2m SEe over the whole 450 towards Lower Sydenham as I was curious on the bits that were tricky and there was one turn that stood out - the turn from Chevening Road to Hermitage Road was very tight, too tight for my liking where there next to no room between the bus and the bollards on the corner. The bus handled the rest of the route fine that day. I imagine the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane towards Croydon is a problem as well though I never saw that in action? The worst turns are the turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane and Hermitage Road into Chevening Road (vice versa) like you said. Re Bensham Lane, a lot of the problems is due to drivers trying to rush out onto Brigstock Road without letting the bus turn in, then they just end up getting stuck. Parked cars don’t help that either |
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 21:36:25 GMT
I rode a 10.2m SEe over the whole 450 towards Lower Sydenham as I was curious on the bits that were tricky and there was one turn that stood out - the turn from Chevening Road to Hermitage Road was very tight, too tight for my liking where there next to no room between the bus and the bollards on the corner. The bus handled the rest of the route fine that day. I imagine the left turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane towards Croydon is a problem as well though I never saw that in action? The worst turns are the turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane and Hermitage Road into Chevening Road (vice versa) like you said. Re Bensham Lane, a lot of the problems is due to drivers trying to rush out onto Brigstock Road without letting the bus turn in, then they just end up getting stuck. Parked cars don’t help that either Yes I used to experience this all the time. I used to sit there and stare at them because of the confusion of why they couldn’t move… well if they looked down there nose they would have realised bus needs space to get in the road… off you go reverse… plonker! |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on May 12, 2024 21:45:53 GMT
The worst turns are the turn from Brigstock Road into Bensham Lane and Hermitage Road into Chevening Road (vice versa) like you said. Re Bensham Lane, a lot of the problems is due to drivers trying to rush out onto Brigstock Road without letting the bus turn in, then they just end up getting stuck. Parked cars don’t help that either Yes I used to experience this all the time. I used to sit there and stare at them because of the confusion of why they couldn’t move… well if they looked down there nose they would have realised bus needs space to get in the road… off you go reverse… plonker! The bollard on each corner also means they can’t just ride the kerb to avoid you |
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Post by DT 11 on May 12, 2024 21:50:43 GMT
Yes I used to experience this all the time. I used to sit there and stare at them because of the confusion of why they couldn’t move… well if they looked down there nose they would have realised bus needs space to get in the road… off you go reverse… plonker! The bollard on each corner also means they can’t just ride the kerb to avoid you Yes and that is missing the noses for those drivers who do not look ahead. |
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Post by ibus246 on Jun 4, 2024 5:09:21 GMT
Are the 33, 265 and 419 able to be double deckered? Or is there something on their routes that stops them?
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