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Post by rift on Jun 4, 2024 12:01:29 GMT
Are the 33, 265 and 419 able to be double deckered? Or is there something on their routes that stops them? To my knowledge the 33 and 419 was due to the weight restriction on Hammersmith Bridge, I’m not sure about the 265. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 4, 2024 12:02:16 GMT
Are the 33, 265 and 419 able to be double deckered? Or is there something on their routes that stops them? The 33 has seen rare double deckers over the years even once it became single decker (these would only do Fulwell to Hammersmith Bridge South Side due to the bridges weight restriction) and those workings increased when Hammersmith Bridge shut. I’ve personally used a SP on the 33 end to end |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jun 8, 2024 19:18:21 GMT
Are the 33, 265 and 419 able to be double deckered? Or is there something on their routes that stops them? The 33 has seen rare double deckers over the years even once it became single decker (these would only do Fulwell to Hammersmith Bridge South Side due to the bridges weight restriction) and those workings increased when Hammersmith Bridge shut. I’ve personally used a SP on the 33 end to end However the residents of Kilmington Road, Howsman Road and Verdun Road have complained about double decks running past their houses to turn around, so DDs haven't been seen on the 33 for quite some time as far as I'm aware. I do remember the route having only SPs out on a strike day once. |
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Post by COBO on Jun 20, 2024 0:22:03 GMT
 In M’s what’s the height with most double deckers? |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jun 20, 2024 0:27:42 GMT
In M’s what’s the height with most double deckers? Around 4.2m to 4.5m |
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Post by PGAT on Jun 24, 2024 13:39:21 GMT
Why can the 463 not take double deckers? The reasons listed must be false because the 633 also takes the identical route in Coulsdon
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Post by BL15HCD on Jun 24, 2024 14:05:05 GMT
Why can the 463 not take double deckers? The reasons listed must be false because the 633 also takes the identical route in Coulsdon 4 times a day vs 4-6 times an hour is very different |
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Post by londonbuses on Jun 24, 2024 14:14:46 GMT
Why can the 463 not take double deckers? The reasons listed must be false because the 633 also takes the identical route in Coulsdon Both turning loops in Pollards Hill (152/255 and 463) are unsuitable for double deckers due to low trees (633s deadrun via the 60 to Thornton Heath), and there is a low tree in Coulsdon Clockhouse Estate which can be avoided with a 10 second diversion which the 633 does. Anyway, the route doesn't need double deckers but what it desperately needs and can use without any problem is longer buses. It is ridiculous that the 463 uses 9m buses when it gets very overcrowded and would have no problem with 10.8m buses. |
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Post by PGAT on Jun 24, 2024 14:21:38 GMT
Why can the 463 not take double deckers? The reasons listed must be false because the 633 also takes the identical route in Coulsdon Both turning loops in Pollards Hill (152/255 and 463) are unsuitable for double deckers due to low trees (633s deadrun via the 60 to Thornton Heath), and there is a low tree in Coulsdon Clockhouse Estate which can be avoided with a 10 second diversion which the 633 does. Anyway, the route doesn't need double deckers but what it desperately needs and can use without any problem is longer buses. It is ridiculous that the 463 uses 9m buses when it gets very overcrowded and would have no problem with 10.8m buses. Okay that makes sense thank you |
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Post by BL15HCD on Jun 24, 2024 14:50:01 GMT
Why can the 463 not take double deckers? The reasons listed must be false because the 633 also takes the identical route in Coulsdon Both turning loops in Pollards Hill (152/255 and 463) are unsuitable for double deckers due to low trees (633s deadrun via the 60 to Thornton Heath) Incorrect, there are 3 permitted deadrun routes dependant on time of day during traffic, one is way you mentioned, another is the 463 loop, the last is R Yorkshire Road, R Westmorland Way, Ah, R Chestnut Grove then from roundabout it's the usual route. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 24, 2024 17:27:00 GMT
Why can the 463 not take double deckers? The reasons listed must be false because the 633 also takes the identical route in Coulsdon Both turning loops in Pollards Hill (152/255 and 463) are unsuitable for double deckers due to low trees (633s deadrun via the 60 to Thornton Heath), and there is a low tree in Coulsdon Clockhouse Estate which can be avoided with a 10 second diversion which the 633 does. Anyway, the route doesn't need double deckers but what it desperately needs and can use without any problem is longer buses. It is ridiculous that the 463 uses 9m buses when it gets very overcrowded and would have no problem with 10.8m buses. How many 10.8m buses have actually gone around the route and is it more than 1 at a time? |
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Post by PGAT on Jun 24, 2024 17:38:31 GMT
Both turning loops in Pollards Hill (152/255 and 463) are unsuitable for double deckers due to low trees (633s deadrun via the 60 to Thornton Heath), and there is a low tree in Coulsdon Clockhouse Estate which can be avoided with a 10 second diversion which the 633 does. Anyway, the route doesn't need double deckers but what it desperately needs and can use without any problem is longer buses. It is ridiculous that the 463 uses 9m buses when it gets very overcrowded and would have no problem with 10.8m buses. How many 10.8m buses have actually gone around the route and is it more than 1 at a time? Metrobus only have 2 of the 359's SEes of that length so I'd assume none have ever gone in recent history. Looking at LVF nothing over 8.9m has strayed on the route |
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Post by BL15HCD on Jun 24, 2024 17:55:03 GMT
How many 10.8m buses have actually gone around the route and is it more than 1 at a time? Metrobus only have 2 of the 359's SEes of that length so I'd assume none have ever gone in recent history. Looking at LVF nothing over 8.9m has strayed on the route Plus it don't need them, it used to have problem during school peak hence 633 got extended, could do with another school bus leaving a bit later but it doesnt need longer vehicles full time, it's already difficult enough for the SENs and WSs to traverse between Commonside East and Windmill Road. |
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Post by abellion on Jun 24, 2024 19:00:58 GMT
Metrobus only have 2 of the 359's SEes of that length so I'd assume none have ever gone in recent history. Looking at LVF nothing over 8.9m has strayed on the route Plus it don't need them, it used to have problem during school peak hence 633 got extended, could do with another school bus leaving a bit later but it doesnt need longer vehicles full time, it's already difficult enough for the SENs and WSs to traverse between Commonside East and Windmill Road. I haven't ridden it too recently but IIRC there are some really tight turns and we had lots of awkward manouvering with with cars/other 463s around Coulsdon and Woodmansterne too. It does actually get quite busy, if an upgrade is physically possible then it should absolutely happen |
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Post by londonbuses on Jun 24, 2024 19:12:38 GMT
Plus it don't need them, it used to have problem during school peak hence 633 got extended, could do with another school bus leaving a bit later but it doesnt need longer vehicles full time, it's already difficult enough for the SENs and WSs to traverse between Commonside East and Windmill Road. I haven't ridden it too recently but IIRC there are some really tight turns and we had lots of awkward manouvering with with cars/other 463s around Coulsdon and Woodmansterne too. It does actually get quite busy, if an upgrade is physically possible then it should absolutely happen An upgrade to 9.7m is certainly possible, even if 10.2 or 10.8m might be a bit tight. There seems to be quite a few routes that could easily be upgraded to 9.7m buses, but are never upgraded for some reason, another being the E5. Realistically, the aim should be for all routes to use 9.7m double door buses at the minimum, except where it really isn't possible. |
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