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Post by ak121 on Dec 23, 2017 17:38:07 GMT
You are soooo lucky  , it's such a shame because I live on the route and have never seen one! I think the DE's/ DML's would really struggle at the double run on Medway Parade, Golf Links Estate area, Edison Drive, Denbigh Road, obviously Sussex Road turn, that turn is extremely tight. The E5 really deserves longer buses, it's mostly always packed. There hasn't been a longer bus on the E5 when it's been with Abellio yet. How did the longer bus cope in the Havelock and Toplocks Estate? |
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Post by bengady3 on Dec 23, 2017 17:45:45 GMT
181 passes through the bridge at Lower Sydenham
352 passes through the bridge at Lower Sydenham
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 19:17:54 GMT
Hello all, just to say I’m gonna need big help with the 300’s and school/mobility routes. As I’m scanning your helpful replies I’m trying to add them all in but I may forget some so you may have to repeat yourselves a bit. Some repetition is NOT a problem for me on this thread as it might help me out so hopefully it isn’t an issue for anyone else here. It’s important to let me know specific locations of problem areas, I just don’t have time to look at entire route lengths to check out your tight turns, narrow roads and trees claims. I’ll get started on prefixes soon. Just to let you know that I disregarded some suggestions, not because I’m mean (well I am, but not in these cases lol) because I couldn’t see specific issues where I saw an alleged issue. That doesn’t mean I’m right, you’re wrong... it’s a forum so if you feel strongly about it let me know! We can all have a healthy debate about it. Bearing this in mind... - I deleted 290 and 490. RandomBusesGirl informed me the vehicles used are allocated to SD garages but as contracts and garages swap over I’m not considering this a barrier to DD operation (remember part of the reason the thread was introduced was to assist with fantasy route suggestions and it’s important that route possibilities are utilised where possible). I’m also confident the 490 can turn in Pools on the Park in Richmond due to the fact I’ve seen DD vehicles parked there, perhaps on school contracts. - 193, I considered County Park Estate to be suitable due to the fact buses appear to loop one way (anti-clockwise) to stand, however I noticed Ascot Gardens looks incredibly tight for passing opportunities (the only reason I could find for such small buses being used) - I need specific location data for the turns and trees for 331, 404 please - 336, I couldn’t see a low bridge on Holmesdale Road - I removed 233 as the trees around Northview do not look too bad for DDs... if they are in the current state according to maps the branches appear quite thin and easily manageable by trimming back. I wouldn’t think they would cause damage to a bus with a decent deflector. If you disagree, say so! 😋 |
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Post by sid on Dec 23, 2017 19:21:23 GMT
Hello all, just to say I’m gonna need big help with the 300’s and school/mobility routes. As I’m scanning your helpful replies I’m trying to add them all in but I may forget some so you may have to repeat yourselves a bit. Some repetition is NOT a problem for me on this thread as it might help me out so hopefully it isn’t an issue for anyone else here. It’s important to let me know specific locations of problem areas, I just don’t have time to look at entire route lengths to check out your tight turns, narrow roads and trees claims. I’ll get started on prefixes soon. Just to let you know that I disregarded some suggestions, not because I’m mean (well I am, but not in these cases lol) because I couldn’t see specific issues where I saw an alleged issue. That doesn’t mean I’m right, you’re wrong... it’s a forum so if you feel strongly about it let me know! We can all have a healthy debate about it. Bearing this in mind... - I deleted 290 and 490. RandomBusesGirl informed me the vehicles used are allocated to SD garages but as contracts and garages swap over I’m not considering this a barrier to DD operation (remember part of the reason the thread was introduced was to assist with fantasy route suggestions and it’s important that route possibilities are utilised where possible). I’m also confident the 490 can turn in Pools on the Park in Richmond due to the fact I’ve seen DD vehicles parked there, perhaps on school contracts. - 193, I considered County Park Estate to be suitable due to the fact buses appear to loop one way (anti-clockwise) to stand, however I noticed Ascot Gardens looks incredibly tight for passing opportunities (the only reason I could find for such small buses being used) - I need specific location data for the turns and trees for 404 please I'd say both the 193 and 404 are totally unsuitable for double deckers or even larger single deckers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 19:30:41 GMT
sid the reason I’m asking about the 404 is because I’m trying to update the data I know or already have. It’s a constant and time consuming process when I’m online so I’m really relying on specifics from forum members. I simply don’t have the time to investigate the many routes I don’t know about. For all I know the 404 (nowhere near my area of knowledge) runs only on single track roads with hairpin bends but as it is I know very little about it... I can’t call it a SD only route until I have more information. I’m hoping the input is fun for everyone and that way we can argue our points on suitability etc 😊
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Post by TB141 on Dec 23, 2017 20:01:10 GMT
336, I couldn’t see a low bridge on Holmesdale Road The low bridge is on Homesdale Road near the junction with Waldo Road. There is a further low bridge on Page Heath Villas between Ellen Close and Beaconsfield Road. You could add routes R5/R10 due to tight roads and low trees the entire length of Cudham Lane. Also route R7 right roads and low trees on Bucks Cross Road, Maypole Road and Hewitt’s Road. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 23, 2017 20:44:26 GMT
359 - it has seen decker appearances not too long ago so can probably be crossed off
360 - low bridge on Black Prince Road in Vauxhall/Kennington
367 - I believe this is either due to tight roads such as Primrose Lane or low trees along some of the route however I'm not 100% sure
379 - narrow roads on the Yardley Lane Estate just off Sewardstone Road.
433 - Selsdon Vale residents prevent this though it never stopped Metrobus throwing some out regardless but I believe none have went out under Abellio
450 - possible low trees on Fountain Drive & the turn from Queens Road onto Windmill Road is tight, not to mention Windmill Road is quite narrow
464 - narrow country lanes such as Salt Box Hill in Biggin Hill & Ricketts Hill Road in Biggin Hill Valley would be the cause
493 - I suspect St. George's Hospital grounds in Tooting is the cause as well as using the same roads as the 39 in Southfields
499 - has seen at least one decker go around a few years back so should be ok
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 23, 2017 22:34:27 GMT
- I removed 233 as the trees around Northview do not look too bad for DDs... if they are in the current state according to maps the branches appear quite thin and easily manageable by trimming back. I wouldn’t think they would cause damage to a bus with a decent deflector. If you disagree, say so! 😋 You see pictures of trees...I see real big double deck 233-eating tree branches 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 22:39:03 GMT
- I removed 233 as the trees around Northview do not look too bad for DDs... if they are in the current state according to maps the branches appear quite thin and easily manageable by trimming back. I wouldn’t think they would cause damage to a bus with a decent deflector. If you disagree, say so! 😋 You see pictures of trees...I see real big double deck 233-eating tree branches 😂 Could you provide a snapshot of the trees you are referring to as we may be looking at different ones. I’ve only really got google maps to go on... I’m not venturing out just to look at some trees in different areas of London so if they are bad enough for others to agree then I’ll put it up, no problem. |
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Post by londonbusexplorer on Dec 23, 2017 22:39:09 GMT
331 can't be double decked for a few reasons, and as a regular 331 user, I will state all of them
-Moorhall Road (Low Trees)
-White Hill (Very Low Trees (only just fit a DEL))
-Copse Wood Way (Low Trees)
-Maxwell Road (Low Trees) - I had a Rail Rep Driver go down there accidentally and I was so shocked we didn't get deroofed!
-TFL usually don't allow double deckers on a route from residential complaints (I would be one of them (don't kill me for saying that))
Also, let's go through all of Uxbridge and a few nearby because I'm nice enough to do that
U2 - Turning around Oak Farm and Honeycroft Hill Low Trees
U7 - Actually Fully Capable of Double Deck Vehicles
U9 - Harvil Road and Harefield Hospital
U10 - If it can't take a DEL, who knows how a Double Decker will get round. The bus will probably snap some power wires
195 - Actually Fully Capable of Double Deck Vehicles
H13 - Low Trees at St Vincent's Nursing Home
E7 is actually fully capable of using double deck vehicles and as a regular user, I think requires them!!!
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 23, 2017 22:39:16 GMT
359 - it has seen decker appearances not too long ago so can probably be crossed off Indeed, the decker run was done by yours truly and was proper fun. There were about 2 pretty tight turns though. Also, the parking in the Monks Hill area can be quite a pain but we were spared on the day I did it. Shame it's highly unlikely to ever happen again  223 and 224 have a low bridge believe. But don't quote me on it. H17 appears to have some trees. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 22:48:38 GMT
Just a point guys that trees are indeed a problem with deckers in some places. DD-preventing trees for this thread would have to be reasonably non-maintainable (ie the trunk of the tree protruding into the roads. TfL manages trees in certain areas for buses to run and this could be true of bus routes requiring DDs. In other places buses are warned of low trees with yellow signage. Trees don’t always prevent deckers running... I’ve lost count of how many times buses I’ve been on have hit branches (a 111 smacked one in Hampton in the days before the front branch guards and it sustained a mighty whack but upon leaving the bus looked to have caused zero damage whatsoever)
I personally think only roads with protruding stumps, thick branches overhanging the road and numerous low trees (not isolated ones) should count as SD only routes, what do you guys think? It’s a forum list so I’ll happily go with the grain even if I may disagree
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 22:56:20 GMT
Something I won’t compromise on though... residents! Sorry but if a route requires deckers it requires deckers. The needs of the many have to come before the needs of a few disgruntled residents. That’s not me having a go, but this is a forum for enthusiasts and there is no safety element to buses with an additional floor operating past buildings.
As such I’ll have to disregard suggestions regarding residents. Unless there is a specific law which provides a banning order for such vehicles (I bet I’ve opened a can of worms)
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Dec 23, 2017 22:58:52 GMT
Hey @metroman, I often like to say trees aren't a valid reason to keep a route SD. Cut 'em down!!  But them look up to what happened to that ex-First TE on route 91... Hit a low branch and got deroofed, and that was on the line of route! So trees are no joke unfortunately As for residents, 316 is another classic. Can do DD easily, actually |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 23:03:53 GMT
Recently I've really enjoyed going on the 309. A meander through the real East End. Could this be decked? It sure gets busy, my guess is no, but does anyone know for sure.
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that right at Featherstone Road where the one-way bit ends looks extremely right even with the tiny buses, and I'd also have loved to see how Golf Links Estate managed with a long bus.
, it's such a shame because I live on the route and have never seen one! I think the DE's/ DML's would really struggle at the double run on Medway Parade, Golf Links Estate area, Edison Drive, Denbigh Road, obviously Sussex Road turn, that turn is extremely tight. The E5 really deserves longer buses, it's mostly always packed. There hasn't been a longer bus on the E5 when it's been with Abellio yet.
