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Post by rm1422 on Feb 8, 2023 12:42:34 GMT
I wouldn't be suprised if the new stops get as little use as the 485's loop round the Barnes Wetlands Centre. I've made that journey many times and only once been on a bus when anyone got on or off. Coming from Wandsworth the need for buses to do two right turns across Putney Bridge Road will only add to the length of time spent on the loop.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2023 13:00:25 GMT
But the 485 doesn’t actually hit any rail connections or underground connections on its route and just stops dead away from the shops in Wandsworth. If I lived on that estate I’d be more inclined to walk up the road and just get on a 220 or 270 rather than a half hourly route that stops by 8pm most days. It’s just a pure example of where TfL has been thrown developers money. Like when the G1 got diverted through that new build estate in Tooting near Springfield, another waste of resources to benefit a few. Diverting a route via an area of new housing development is hardly a "waste of resources", when the developer's money is provided for that very purpose. I agree that the terminal arrangements in Wandsworth could be better, perhaps operating a terminal loop in the toiwn centre and making Ram Street purely a hesitation point. TfL has a social remit as well as a commercial one, and part of that includes making sure as many people as possible within Greater London live within a certain distance of a bus stop. You don’t even need to do that as there is plenty of space at Southside for another route to stand, especially one as low frequent as the 485. At least it now doesn’t terminate in the Riverside development itself
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 8, 2023 13:42:01 GMT
But the 485 doesn’t actually hit any rail connections or underground connections on its route and just stops dead away from the shops in Wandsworth. If I lived on that estate I’d be more inclined to walk up the road and just get on a 220 or 270 rather than a half hourly route that stops by 8pm most days. It’s just a pure example of where TfL has been thrown developers money. Like when the G1 got diverted through that new build estate in Tooting near Springfield, another waste of resources to benefit a few. TfL has a social remit as well as a commercial one, and part of that includes making sure as many people as possible within Greater London live within a certain distance of a bus stop. Yet they contradict that by removing the 384 and S1 from the back roads to make them "more direct"
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 8, 2023 13:49:05 GMT
TfL has a social remit as well as a commercial one, and part of that includes making sure as many people as possible within Greater London live within a certain distance of a bus stop. Yet they contradict that by removing the 384 and S1 from the back roads to make them "more direct" Don’t worry, slap a huge estate on part of St Helier green space adjacent to Robertbridge Road, throw a bit of money at TfL and boom the S1 will be back. Basically rerouting the 485 proves nothing except that TfL can be bought and paid for, at least they used to be subtle about it.
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Post by TB123 on Feb 8, 2023 13:58:17 GMT
Yet they contradict that by removing the 384 and S1 from the back roads to make them "more direct" Don’t worry, slap a huge estate on part of St Helier green space adjacent to Robertbridge Road, throw a bit of money at TfL and boom the S1 will be back. Basically rerouting the 485 proves nothing except that TfL can be bought and paid for, at least they used to be subtle about it. Complete lack of understanding of the basic concepts around bus service planning. Of course population and housing density will come into it.
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Post by southlondon413 on Feb 8, 2023 14:06:43 GMT
Don’t worry, slap a huge estate on part of St Helier green space adjacent to Robertbridge Road, throw a bit of money at TfL and boom the S1 will be back. Basically rerouting the 485 proves nothing except that TfL can be bought and paid for, at least they used to be subtle about it. Complete lack of understanding of the basic concepts around bus service planning. Of course population and housing density will come into it. I’m just not going to engage with you.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 8, 2023 14:12:36 GMT
Yet they contradict that by removing the 384 and S1 from the back roads to make them "more direct" Don’t worry, slap a huge estate on part of St Helier green space adjacent to Robertbridge Road, throw a bit of money at TfL and boom the S1 will be back. Basically rerouting the 485 proves nothing except that TfL can be bought and paid for, at least they used to be subtle about it. Not sure what your getting at. Developer applies for planning permission for a development. Developer told he will need to make a S106 contribution of x amount to provide transport for the development. Money get passed to TfL ... decide best how they can provide service with money supplied. What part of the process is broken in this instance?
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Post by northlondon83 on Feb 8, 2023 15:14:51 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/bus-route-485Changes are planned for implementation on 25 March 2023, but with some amendments to the previous proposal back in 2018. The current terminus at Wandsworth and the current routing via Putney Bridge Road will be retained, but will be diverted to serve Wandsworth Riverside in both directions. I don't see the point of this consultation when people can just walk from the nearest stop to Riverside Quarter. Only thing that would be beneficial if this went ahead is to extend it to Southside shopping centre as well as Riverside Quarter. The 2018 proposal was a lot better and made sense.
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 8, 2023 15:29:41 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/bus-route-485Changes are planned for implementation on 25 March 2023, but with some amendments to the previous proposal back in 2018. The current terminus at Wandsworth and the current routing via Putney Bridge Road will be retained, but will be diverted to serve Wandsworth Riverside in both directions. I don't see the point of this consultation when people can just walk from the nearest stop to Riverside Quarter. Only thing that would be beneficial if this went ahead is to extend it to Southside shopping centre as well as Riverside Quarter. The 2018 proposal was a lot better and made sense. Also, assuming the 485's proposed frequency increase is also no longer going ahead, passengers at Wandsworth Riverside will likely prefer to walk to the 220/270 stops than potentially wait half an hour. Additionally, if the development is to have only one bus route, there isn't really an obvious destination for it to go. Wandsworth Riverside is a relatively short walk anyway to the nearest town centre and train station, for example.
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Post by YX10FFN on Feb 8, 2023 16:06:44 GMT
It's disappointing they couldn't find a solution with the council regarding junction works. I agree with others who've said the 485 really doesn't provide much of anything to WRQ residents, but at least it's not TFL's money they're wasting.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 8, 2023 16:38:06 GMT
It's disappointing they couldn't find a solution with the council regarding junction works. I agree with others who've said the 485 really doesn't provide much of anything to WRQ residents, but at least it's not TFL's money they're wasting. I thought the same with Cane Hill. Yes a bus service is provided to it, but I'd still say people from Cane Hill would have liked a link to Purley and even Croydon. The 404 takes them for 4 minutes to Coulsdon then heads off to where is unlikely people are heading to in droves.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 8, 2023 16:58:00 GMT
TfL has a social remit as well as a commercial one, and part of that includes making sure as many people as possible within Greater London live within a certain distance of a bus stop. Yet they contradict that by removing the 384 and S1 from the back roads to make them "more direct" The difference is that they weren’t being paid by the developer to operate a service on the back roads in Barnet and Sutton, unlike this example. If money is on offer then TfL will take it. I do agree with you about the developing inequities in bus service provision between existing and new build housing though, which are only going to grow. These days if you want a new bus service or a new tube line then you need to find some development to pay for it as there is no money in the general pot. That’s great if you happen to live in a regeneration area but means that areas that can’t or won’t support more development will stagnate.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 8, 2023 17:02:02 GMT
It's disappointing they couldn't find a solution with the council regarding junction works. I agree with others who've said the 485 really doesn't provide much of anything to WRQ residents, but at least it's not TFL's money they're wasting. I thought the same with Cane Hill. Yes a bus service is provided to it, but I'd still say people from Cane Hill would have liked a link to Purley and even Croydon. The 404 takes them for 4 minutes to Coulsdon then heads off to where is unlikely people are heading to in droves. I've thought exactly that about the 404, just a box ticking exercise and not much use for residents of Cane Hill.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 8, 2023 17:06:06 GMT
I thought the same with Cane Hill. Yes a bus service is provided to it, but I'd still say people from Cane Hill would have liked a link to Purley and even Croydon. The 404 takes them for 4 minutes to Coulsdon then heads off to where is unlikely people are heading to in droves. I've thought exactly that about the 404, just a box ticking exercise and not much use for residents of Cane Hill. To be fair to TfL, that was not their original proposal, it was a compromise after a consultation. TfL originally proposed sending the 434 there.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 8, 2023 17:06:26 GMT
It's disappointing they couldn't find a solution with the council regarding junction works. I agree with others who've said the 485 really doesn't provide much of anything to WRQ residents, but at least it's not TFL's money they're wasting. I thought the same with Cane Hill. Yes a bus service is provided to it, but I'd still say people from Cane Hill would have liked a link to Purley and even Croydon. The 404 takes them for 4 minutes to Coulsdon then heads off to where is unlikely people are heading to in droves. Alas throwing small sums of money at bus service provision for new developments doesn’t mean that the bus service provided will actually go where people want to travel or that people will use it. I’ve seen that so many times on new build developments, they get a new bus stop but the route doesn’t go to the right place or the frequency is too low to compete with existing bus services on the main road.
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