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Post by vjaska on Feb 8, 2023 17:20:08 GMT
It's disappointing they couldn't find a solution with the council regarding junction works. I agree with others who've said the 485 really doesn't provide much of anything to WRQ residents, but at least it's not TFL's money they're wasting. I thought the same with Cane Hill. Yes a bus service is provided to it, but I'd still say people from Cane Hill would have liked a link to Purley and even Croydon. The 404 takes them for 4 minutes to Coulsdon then heads off to where is unlikely people are heading to in droves. I don't think the two are the same - for starters, have you tried walking from Coulsdon to the 404's stand at Cane Hill, it's a very steep climb up. The 404 also gives an interchange with the very frequent 60 to Coulsdon & Croydon as well as train services from Coulsdon Town - imagine your an existing 434 user and you suddenly lose your link to Purley to the 404 which has always catered for the Old Coulsdon & Caterham-On-The-Hill areas in any event, you can't always extend every route to particular places. Walking from Wandsworth Riverside in comparison is far easier due to the flat terrain and has two frequent routes running pretty much outside the development which isn't as far back from the main road as in Cane Hills case.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 8, 2023 18:05:00 GMT
I thought the same with Cane Hill. Yes a bus service is provided to it, but I'd still say people from Cane Hill would have liked a link to Purley and even Croydon. The 404 takes them for 4 minutes to Coulsdon then heads off to where is unlikely people are heading to in droves. I don't think the two are the same - for starters, have you tried walking from Coulsdon to the 404's stand at Cane Hill, it's a very steep climb up. The 404 also gives an interchange with the very frequent 60 to Coulsdon & Croydon as well as train services from Coulsdon Town - imagine your an existing 434 user and you suddenly lose your link to Purley to the 404 which has always catered for the Old Coulsdon & Caterham-On-The-Hill areas in any event, you can't always extend every route to particular places. Walking from Wandsworth Riverside in comparison is far easier due to the flat terrain and has two frequent routes running pretty much outside the development which isn't as far back from the main road as in Cane Hills case. Firstly did I say the 404 shouldn't exist, no. What I was saying was an opportunity was wasted not to do something more ambitious like the a Cane Hill to Purley or even Croydon route. Not necessarily diverting the 434 as planned.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 9, 2023 14:36:28 GMT
I don't think the two are the same - for starters, have you tried walking from Coulsdon to the 404's stand at Cane Hill, it's a very steep climb up. The 404 also gives an interchange with the very frequent 60 to Coulsdon & Croydon as well as train services from Coulsdon Town - imagine your an existing 434 user and you suddenly lose your link to Purley to the 404 which has always catered for the Old Coulsdon & Caterham-On-The-Hill areas in any event, you can't always extend every route to particular places. Walking from Wandsworth Riverside in comparison is far easier due to the flat terrain and has two frequent routes running pretty much outside the development which isn't as far back from the main road as in Cane Hills case. Firstly did I say the 404 shouldn't exist, no. What I was saying was an opportunity was wasted not to do something more ambitious like the a Cane Hill to Purley or even Croydon route. Not necessarily diverting the 434 as planned. Never said that you said the 404 shouldn't exist, not even sure how you came to that conclusion TBH. All I said is the 404 is designed to link the Old Coulsdon & Caterham-On-The-Hill areas rather than needing another route to Purley when three currently exist and all three have been around for a good while too and that the 434, being a far more established link, shouldn't change for the 404. Like I said, you can't link everywhere to everywhere and you can interchange from the 404 to a 60 or 405 at Coulsdon Town or even the train - the 434 would have to be diverted to facilate another Purley bound route unless there is something I'm missing?
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 9, 2023 15:30:52 GMT
Firstly did I say the 404 shouldn't exist, no. What I was saying was an opportunity was wasted not to do something more ambitious like the a Cane Hill to Purley or even Croydon route. Not necessarily diverting the 434 as planned. Never said that you said the 404 shouldn't exist, not even sure how you came to that conclusion TBH. All I said is the 404 is designed to link the Old Coulsdon & Caterham-On-The-Hill areas rather than needing another route to Purley when three currently exist and all three have been around for a good while too and that the 434, being a far more established link, shouldn't change for the 404. Like I said, you can't link everywhere to everywhere and you can interchange from the 404 to a 60 or 405 at Coulsdon Town or even the train - the 434 would have to be diverted to facilate another Purley bound route unless there is something I'm missing? 404 & 434 not my neck of the woods, but would say if Cane Hill would generate more traffic than the 434's existing route, it should be rerouted no matter how established the route is. If it would generate less traffic it should stay as it is. Either way, the many should be advantaged over the few. That is how you would maximise passenger numbers.
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