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Post by busaholic on Jul 20, 2018 16:22:15 GMT
The section beyond Liverpool Street up to Homerton Hospital is still important though and should be retained - the idea of diverting it to London Bridge sounds quite good. It is a good idea, but given how many buses already go between Liverpool St and London Bridge I can't see it happening. Maybe route it via Hounsditch, Aldgate, Minories and then Route 15 to Monument, across London Bridge to Station. This would at least give an alternative routing with new links. The alternative is that I can see the 242 being further curtailed.
The 149 is still quite heavily peaked, by 2018 standards, and there'd possibly be scope for a reduction in PVR there, without inconveniencing too many, if the 242 did what I'm suggesting. You've also got to consider the a.m. peak situation at London Bridge i.e. if there's no bus in the bus station, are you going to trek to Tooley Street in case a 47 turns up quite shortly, or will you start walking? Those £1.50s add up for TfL, probably without caps or hopper fares being activated. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 20, 2018 16:45:07 GMT
I know I'll get shot again for mentioning cuts but I can see how there is possibly a lot of spare cacapcity between London Bridge and Liverpool Street/Shoreditch on the 35, 47, 48, 149. So removing the 48 from there probably wouldn't cause much trouble and possibly between along the Lea Bridge Road since between 1992-98 there were just 2 routes (and probably not as freq as now) so maybe the 55 could be extended in place of the 48. The 55 would maintain the links as far as Shoreditch Triangle.
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Post by sid on Jul 20, 2018 18:15:06 GMT
I know I'll get shot again for mentioning cuts but I can see how there is possibly a lot of spare cacapcity between London Bridge and Liverpool Street/Shoreditch on the 35, 47, 48, 149. So removing the 48 from there probably wouldn't cause much trouble and possibly between along the Lea Bridge Road since between 1992-98 there were just 2 routes (and probably not as freq as now) so maybe the 55 could be extended in place of the 48. The 55 would maintain the links as far as Shoreditch Triangle. I'm not sure why you should be 'shot' but anyway, I must confess that I've not been along Lea Bridge Road recently so I don't know what demand is like nowadays but on the face of it three routes does seem rather generous. I wouldn't be surprised if the 55 is withdrawn (ie not retendered) and the 48 rerouted to Oxford Circus. The 242 could possibly be rerouted to London Bridge as has been suggested? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 19:36:54 GMT
I don't think the 242 is overbussed, personally. I've use the route often, when visiting a mate up in Clapton Park. Anytime I use the route, it is often jam packed, especially between Liverpool Street and Homerton. I'm still yet to see a near empty 242, however, I will say that I only tend to use the route during peak hours/night hours. So I guess it may be different during other hours?  I bus spotted near Dalston Junction in the last week of 30 under TT, so not so long ago. I must've had like 7 242s pass per one 30... All had no more than 5 people on... It's like D7, peak - fairs, but every 6min off peak with also about 5 people per bus, and yet immune from reduction? -_- Meanwhile as per usual the D6 is rammed. Of all the D routes this is the one that I feel needs them.
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Post by 15002 on Jul 20, 2018 20:10:32 GMT
I bus spotted near Dalston Junction in the last week of 30 under TT, so not so long ago. I must've had like 7 242s pass per one 30... All had no more than 5 people on... It's like D7, peak - fairs, but every 6min off peak with also about 5 people per bus, and yet immune from reduction? -_- Meanwhile as per usual the D6 is rammed. Of all the D routes this is the one that I feel needs them.
Hopefully CT Plus puts the D6 on their E400 Cities blind alongside the N500 and N551, would be nice to see a decker on the D6 after so many years... |
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Post by ronnie on Jul 20, 2018 21:45:52 GMT
Meanwhile as per usual the D6 is rammed. Of all the D routes this is the one that I feel needs them.
Hopefully CT Plus puts the D6 on their E400 Cities blind alongside the N500 and N551, would be nice to see a decker on the D6 after so many years... The D6 deserves double deckers (especially when you consider that d8 has them....). It’s always heavily loaded despite having a very good frequency. Unfortunately as we know logic has gone out of the window.... I don’t think there are any height restrictions, are there? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2018 22:01:27 GMT
I bus spotted near Dalston Junction in the last week of 30 under TT, so not so long ago. I must've had like 7 242s pass per one 30... All had no more than 5 people on... It's like D7, peak - fairs, but every 6min off peak with also about 5 people per bus, and yet immune from reduction? -_- Meanwhile as per usual the D6 is rammed. Of all the D routes this is the one that I feel needs them.
I’d say both the D6 & D7 warrant deckers personally especially as I’ve endured many busy D7 journeys on my travels. The D3 could also be argued although restrictions would prevent deckers from operating anyway. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 20, 2018 23:23:50 GMT
So removing the 48 from there probably wouldn't cause much trouble and possibly between along the Lea Bridge Road since between 1992-98 there were just 2 routes (and probably not as freq as now) so maybe the 55 could be extended in place of the 48. The 55 would maintain the links as far as Shoreditch Triangle. The problem with this is that that period in the 1990s saw a great deal of complaint and anger about the inadequate service. Lea Bridge Road has had a very frequent service for decades and people expect to have a bus turn up in very short order. You can argue whether that's reasonable or not but the public expectation is there. The other important issue is the need to get people to and from Lea Bridge Station which will get a doubled train service in under a year. OK it won't be mega frequent but it will be a game changer given the easy interchange to Crossrail at Stratford. The area around Lea Bridge is due for large scale redevelopment with a lot of extra houses to add to those nearer the Ice Rink / Clapton Park. I am sure TfL will be able to trot out some number or other that justifies whatever they want to do - largely because of demand falls in Central London but not actually on Lea Bridge Road. The campaign group who fought to get the 55 extended to Leyton are still extant so any threat to Lea Bridge Road services will see them spring back into action. They know their way round the process and who to contact so TfL may have more of a fight on their hands than they bargained for. What will be crucial is if it gains a marked political profile which it might do. We shall see. |
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 21, 2018 4:57:25 GMT
Hopefully CT Plus puts the D6 on their E400 Cities blind alongside the N500 and N551, would be nice to see a decker on the D6 after so many years... The D6 deserves double deckers (especially when you consider that d8 has them....). It’s always heavily loaded despite having a very good frequency. Unfortunately as we know logic has gone out of the window.... I don’t think there are any height restrictions, are there? Nope there are no height restrictions on the D6 , a good few years back now First had E400s out on it for a while whilst they sent the DML's at the time elsewhere to cover a newly taken over route and many years ago it was a double deck route , however it does nowadays I think terminate in the middle of nowhere ? I've always thought it should of got extended to Dalston Junction when the "trial" termination went ahead due to the changes at Hackney Central , Ash Grove is a bit of a dud place for a route to finish , under First it used to be a regular short turn point , Another route I think could do with a Double Deck or two during the school rush is the 309 , its not uncommon to have the Solos bursting during the school rush ! But back on to the 48/55 , does nobody think tfl might play about with the 26 given that it shares a main slice of the route with the 48 and also the 388 infact the 388 runs parallel or adjacent via a few roads to most of the 26 . |
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Post by busaholic on Jul 21, 2018 13:28:49 GMT
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that, should the 48 be culled, then the 242 will work through to London Bridge.There appears to be no-one on here who believes the Liverpool Street to St Paul's section any longer serves a purpose.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 3, 2018 1:18:02 GMT
The D6 deserves double deckers (especially when you consider that d8 has them....). It’s always heavily loaded despite having a very good frequency. Unfortunately as we know logic has gone out of the window.... I don’t think there are any height restrictions, are there? Nope there are no height restrictions on the D6 , a good few years back now First had E400s out on it for a while whilst they sent the DML's at the time elsewhere to cover a newly taken over route and many years ago it was a double deck route , however it does nowadays I think terminate in the middle of nowhere ? I've always thought it should of got extended to Dalston Junction when the "trial" termination went ahead due to the changes at Hackney Central , Ash Grove is a bit of a dud place for a route to finish , under First it used to be a regular short turn point , Another route I think could do with a Double Deck or two during the school rush is the 309 , its not uncommon to have the Solos bursting during the school rush ! But back on to the 48/55 , does nobody think tfl might play about with the 26 given that it shares a main slice of the route with the 48 and also the 388 infact the 388 runs parallel or adjacent via a few roads to most of the 26 . I think it was the summer of 2008. New E400s destined for the 179 and 365 had their introductions delayed to service the D6. It was a great summer, I spent most of it riding the top deck with the windows closed (as most punters didn't venture upstairs) so I could feel the air cooling systems better. Ahh, good times!   |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 10, 2018 8:34:43 GMT
An alternative set of proposals:
25 - Cut back to Aldgate, with a full service to Ilford.
425 - May not be extended to Ilford if necessary, could instead be extended from Clapton to Tottenham to provide a new link.
8 - Extended from Bow to Stratford via route N8 (could terminate at Stratford City or International via N205). To continue central London link from Stratford.
115 - Extended from Aldgate to Liverpool Street, Shoreditch or Old Street via route 135. Could terminate at Liverpool Street (42 stand) with 42 extended to Old Street for more varied links.
135 - Re-routed to more direct routeing in the Isle of Dogs area, with existing route replaced by a diverted D8. Rerouted from Aldgate to Oxford Circus via route 25.
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