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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2018 9:39:24 GMT
It annoys me how many roads have been ruined by planting speed bumps down them that do little to deter speeding in the same way that cameras do not make roads safer. Not only that but Southwark went one step further and made sure their roads humps are like mountains causing buses to slow right down just to go over them  Yes you’re right, even speed cameras are a waste of time as drivers just slow deliberately for them. The only way to combat speeding, if councils wish, is to install average speed check cameras Indeed, certainly better than plonking down ill thought out 20mph borough schemes that do absolutely nothing. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Aug 28, 2018 10:44:44 GMT
A lovely thread. I also wondered what is the 'king' of most bumps. Very curious about the numbers 308 has in each direction, so once the bleating diversions end on the Hackney leg, Imma get a notebook and pencil, and find out  |
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Post by Pilot on Sept 17, 2018 16:05:17 GMT
The only issue I got with speed bumps is that a lot of bus drivers will not care for the bus and just go over it at 20mph which just by the sounds of it going over it you can tell it's damaging the bus slowly, as well as reduces comfort for passengers.
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Post by sid on Sept 17, 2018 16:08:39 GMT
The only issue I got with speed bumps is that a lot of bus drivers will not care for the bus and just go over it at 20mph which just by the sounds of it going over it you can tell it's damaging the bus slowly, as well as reduces comfort for passengers. Yes I'm sure a lot of drivers wouldn't treat their car the way they treat buses. |
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Post by snowman on Sept 17, 2018 16:53:24 GMT
The only issue I got with speed bumps is that a lot of bus drivers will not care for the bus and just go over it at 20mph which just by the sounds of it going over it you can tell it's damaging the bus slowly, as well as reduces comfort for passengers. You are looking at this the wrong way, it should be possible to drive at the permitted road speed over the hump. If not, an unsuitable vehicle for the route with the humps is being used. If it damages the vehicle then you should be wondering why a vehicle with weak or inferior suspension has been allocated (inevitably will be cost cutting and choosing optional basic suspension when ordering the vehicle, rather than optional heavy duty suspension). Reducing speed is a bodge to get around a problem, not tackle the poor ride at source. |
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Post by Pilot on Sept 17, 2018 17:32:29 GMT
The only issue I got with speed bumps is that a lot of bus drivers will not care for the bus and just go over it at 20mph which just by the sounds of it going over it you can tell it's damaging the bus slowly, as well as reduces comfort for passengers. You are looking at this the wrong way, it should be possible to drive at the permitted road speed over the hump. If not, an unsuitable vehicle for the route with the humps is being used. If it damages the vehicle then you should be wondering why a vehicle with weak or inferior suspension has been allocated (inevitably will be cost cutting and choosing optional basic suspension when ordering the vehicle, rather than optional heavy duty suspension). I can tell most of the MMC's are having more or less some kind of a suspension issue every 50K miles probably purely due to the roads and the bumps, if they drove in nice bus lanes they could probably go problem-free for 200K miles. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2018 18:16:45 GMT
The only issue I got with speed bumps is that a lot of bus drivers will not care for the bus and just go over it at 20mph which just by the sounds of it going over it you can tell it's damaging the bus slowly, as well as reduces comfort for passengers. You are looking at this the wrong way, it should be possible to drive at the permitted road speed over the hump. If not, an unsuitable vehicle for the route with the humps is being used. If it damages the vehicle then you should be wondering why a vehicle with weak or inferior suspension has been allocated (inevitably will be cost cutting and choosing optional basic suspension when ordering the vehicle, rather than optional heavy duty suspension). Reducing speed is a bodge to get around a problem, not tackle the poor ride at source. It depends on the height of the speed bump or table - some are much higher in terms of height and even doing 20mph over one could seriously damage the vehicle your in especially when many boroughs are poor at maintaining the roads to begin with particularly boroughs in East London. And then you have Southwark who install the worst speed bumps ever where you are forced to crawl over them otherwise the back end hits the bump if going at a faster speed - Half Moon Lane on the 37 being a prime example. |
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Post by redbus on Sept 17, 2018 18:24:00 GMT
Yes you’re right, even speed cameras are a waste of time as drivers just slow deliberately for them. The only way to combat speeding, if councils wish, is to install average speed check cameras Indeed, certainly better than plonking down ill thought out 20mph borough schemes that do absolutely nothing. As a country we have completely lost the plot with respect to speeding. The whole idea is to make roads safer and the obvious narrative is a slower speed is safer, but there's a lot more to it.
Speed humps are crude and a poor way, albeit effective, way of combatting speed. Speed cameras are also less than ideal as the driver pays attention to the camera and speed rather than concentrating on driving. This too causes accidents. Average speed cameras on local roads will just exacerbate this with drivers paying attention to their average speed over other things. That's not to say there isn't a place for speed cameras, there is, but in the right places.
Education as to appropriate speed is vital, but because it costs money instead of raising it, it doesn't get the prominence it should have. Educate people and you'll get a far better overall result.
One possibility might be to tie speed to pelican crossing lights. You go too fast, your trigger the light to go red which will force you to slow down.
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Post by TB141 on Sept 18, 2018 7:45:42 GMT
The only issue I got with speed bumps is that a lot of bus drivers will not care for the bus and just go over it at 20mph which just by the sounds of it going over it you can tell it's damaging the bus slowly, as well as reduces comfort for passengers. Perhaps you should be asking why companies expect drivers to keep to grossly inadequate schedules. That might explain why you don’t always get as comfortable a ride as you might want. Drivers do not go out of their way to damage vehicles or make their passengers uncomfortable, I can assure you. |
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Post by VPL630 on Sept 18, 2018 10:07:48 GMT
At a grand total of 63 (I was bored when doing my 3 rounder second half, and counted), I’d like to put forward the 336 as the route with them most speed bumps in London, and I challenge you all to come up with another. Bonus interesting (by interesting, read boring) fact - only 3 of these are within the London Borough of Bromley, the remainer being in Lewisham, despite the route being split pretty evenly mileage wise between the two. The 386 has more, trust me, and they are utterly terrible |
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Post by cl54 on Sept 18, 2018 12:08:04 GMT
At a grand total of 63 (I was bored when doing my 3 rounder second half, and counted), I’d like to put forward the 336 as the route with them most speed bumps in London, and I challenge you all to come up with another. Bonus interesting (by interesting, read boring) fact - only 3 of these are within the London Borough of Bromley, the remainer being in Lewisham, despite the route being split pretty evenly mileage wise between the two. The 386 has more, trust me, and they are utterly terrible Very true - The front axles on the SENs are already suffering. Several of the speed tables on Herbert Road have collapsed on the approach side. There are also speed humps on hills at the Woolwich end. These should not be there. Research suggests that speed check displays result is most drivers slowing down if they are over the limit. |
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Post by M1104 on Sept 18, 2018 12:35:51 GMT
It annoys me how many roads have been ruined by planting speed bumps down them that do little to deter speeding in the same way that cameras do not make roads safer. Not only that but Southwark went one step further and made sure their roads humps are like mountains causing buses to slow right down just to go over them Wasn't it in Southwark a few years ago where the slope on the cushion was so steep, it damaged the front sills on a couple of buses and damaged a Ferrari? I often wonder why councils don't consult with bus companies when they plan changes like that along roads where low floor buses run along. On the flip side there was the issue of the 'new' SOEs which for a while couldn't be used along Martin Way for the 164 because of that present road infrastructure. That made me wonder why a test bus/demonstrator (if one then existed) wasn't used along route before placing orders for that model. Essentially there needs to be more communication between bus companies and the councils on the matter. |
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Post by VPL630 on Sept 18, 2018 13:13:50 GMT
The 386 has more, trust me, and they are utterly terrible Very true - The front axles on the SENs are already suffering. Several of the speed tables on Herbert Road have collapsed on the approach side. There are also speed humps on hills at the Woolwich end. These should not be there. Research suggests that speed check displays result is most drivers slowing down if they are over the limit. I used to hate taking 36555 out on the route as it would scrape in so many places if you wernt careful If I had my way there wouldn’t be a speed bump in London and roads would be fixed rather than patched |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 18, 2018 13:22:42 GMT
Very true - The front axles on the SENs are already suffering. Several of the speed tables on Herbert Road have collapsed on the approach side. There are also speed humps on hills at the Woolwich end. These should not be there. Research suggests that speed check displays result is most drivers slowing down if they are over the limit. I used to hate taking 36555 out on the route as it would scrape in so many places if you wernt careful If I had my way there wouldn’t be a speed bump in London and roads would be fixed rather than patched Entirely agree - now when can you start lol |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 18, 2018 13:43:31 GMT
I got into bed last night and could still feel myself bumping up and down. How the drivers on that route do it day-in, day-out is beyond me. It’d drive me round the twist. A good night for the other half then 😂🤣😂 bahahahaha, omg!!! |
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