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Post by ADH45258 on May 21, 2019 14:14:33 GMT
Have the total PVR changes been confirmed yet for all of the central London changes? And will there be any "compensation" to Arriva for withdrawing the 48?
I know most new PVRs have been announced for the earlier changes at Abellio, Arriva and Go Ahead, but nothing mentioned yet for routes 4, 9, 26, 46, 53, 55, 59, 76, 100, 134, 149, 205, 388.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 21, 2019 14:22:12 GMT
Have the total PVR changes been confirmed yet for all of the central London changes? And will there be any "compensation" to Arriva for withdrawing the 48? I know most new PVRs have been announced for the earlier changes at Abellio, Arriva and Go Ahead, but nothing mentioned yet for routes 4, 9, 26, 46, 53, 55, 59, 76, 100, 134, 149, 205, 388. I would guess something is planned surrounding the 48, I think this is the case because the 48 is delayed until November as opposed to the rest of the changes.
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Post by snoggle on May 21, 2019 15:53:39 GMT
Just seen in snoggle’s summary post above that a 343 frequency reduction has popped in from somewhere. Where did that come from?! That wasn’t mentioned in the original consultation "TfL do not consult on frequency reductions".
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Post by ADH45258 on May 21, 2019 18:28:07 GMT
Why is the 14 receiving a PVR increase of 3 (seems a bit excessive)? Surely Russell Square would be a similar distance from TCR as Warren Street?
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Post by snoggle on May 21, 2019 18:35:51 GMT
Why is the 14 receiving a PVR increase of 3 (seems a bit excessive)? Surely Russell Square would be a similar distance from TCR as Warren Street? I suspect the run time is rather longer because the side roads being used as slow and laden with pedestrians (British Museum). Also LOTS said it was not yet clear what the s/b routing would be - via New Oxford Stn / TCR station or if it would run round by the back by St Giles Circus as the 19/38 do. Neither route is exactly fast.
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Post by busaholic on May 21, 2019 19:24:30 GMT
Why is the 14 receiving a PVR increase of 3 (seems a bit excessive)? Surely Russell Square would be a similar distance from TCR as Warren Street? I suspect the run time is rather longer because the side roads being used as slow and laden with pedestrians (British Museum). Also LOTS said it was not yet clear what the s/b routing would be - via New Oxford Stn / TCR station or if it would run round by the back by St Giles Circus as the 19/38 do. Neither route is exactly fast. With all the cutbacks now happening, or shortly to happen, I wonder how this combination of rerouteing and PVR increase can be justified. If Russell Square is accepted as the nearest tube station to the British Museum, why would a bus route serving such other Piccadilly Line stations as South Ken, Knightsbridge, HPC etc be the chosen one to continue serving the BM? I can only conclude that TfL must now be employing cast-offs from Theresa May's Brexit strategy team, with much the same effect.
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Post by busman on May 21, 2019 19:50:13 GMT
Nine maps.
Nine maps each containing multiple routes focused on a particular locality.
Here's one, as an example, for the Tottenham Court Road/Holborn area.
Could have been really useful, but instead unexpectedly overcomplicated.
That’s not a map. THIS is a map: www.shop.busmap.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=41&product_id=248😁 TfL need to commission Mike Harris for their maps and do away with this spider nonsense! I had a crazy dream the other night (some would say nightmare) that TfL reintroduced peak time extensions and bifurcations. I guess all these bus cuts have got me all nostalgic lol.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 21, 2019 19:56:59 GMT
I suspect the run time is rather longer because the side roads being used as slow and laden with pedestrians (British Museum). Also LOTS said it was not yet clear what the s/b routing would be - via New Oxford Stn / TCR station or if it would run round by the back by St Giles Circus as the 19/38 do. Neither route is exactly fast. With all the cutbacks now happening, or shortly to happen, I wonder how this combination of rerouteing and PVR increase can be justified. If Russell Square is accepted as the nearest tube station to the British Museum, why would a bus route serving such other Piccadilly Line stations as South Ken, Knightsbridge, HPC etc be the chosen one to continue serving the BM? I can only conclude that TfL must now be employing cast-offs from Theresa May's Brexit strategy team, with much the same effect. And besides, the 19/38 stop along Bloomsbury Way, which is almost as close to the British Museum as Great Russell Street. I think the 14 to Russell Square could be justified if it was extended onwards to King's Cross to replace with withdrawn 10. Also introduces a lot of new links - with currently no direct bus from Kings Cross/Euston to Piccadilly Circus / Green Park / Knightsbridge
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2019 19:59:50 GMT
Nine maps. Nine maps each containing multiple routes focused on a particular locality. Here's one, as an example, for the Tottenham Court Road/Holborn area. Could have been really useful, but instead unexpectedly overcomplicated.
That’s not a map. THIS is a map: www.shop.busmap.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=41&product_id=248😁 TfL need to commission Mike Harris for their maps and do away with this spider nonsense! I had a crazy dream the other night (some would say nightmare) that TfL reintroduced peak time extensions and bifurcations. I guess all these bus cuts have got me all nostalgic lol. Peak time extensions & bifurcations are the last things we need - I can only imagine the horror of TfL trying to design maps, timetables to include those sort of things given they can't get basic stuff correct. As for spider maps, I quite like them but only if done properly - the ones linked by lundnah are too cluttered and don't convey a clear message of what is trying to be achieved. The one for the Barkingside branding scheme was an abomination and should never be called a map
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Post by danorak on May 21, 2019 20:21:26 GMT
Nine maps. Nine maps each containing multiple routes focused on a particular locality. Here's one, as an example, for the Tottenham Court Road/Holborn area. Could have been really useful, but instead unexpectedly overcomplicated.
Spotted an error on the City of London/St. Paul's map - the 59 is still listed as towards King's Cross where it comes off the edge of the map but is correctly not shown as terminating at King's Cross - mind you, could cause confusion if you could manage to follow the map in the first place. It's the same on the Waterloo map which really isn't good enough. And at the risk of repeating myself, these maps need to show the alternatives you can use over the withdrawn sections if TfL expects you to 'hop'. Spider maps don't do the job in these circumstances.
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Post by busaholic on May 21, 2019 20:23:24 GMT
With all the cutbacks now happening, or shortly to happen, I wonder how this combination of rerouteing and PVR increase can be justified. If Russell Square is accepted as the nearest tube station to the British Museum, why would a bus route serving such other Piccadilly Line stations as South Ken, Knightsbridge, HPC etc be the chosen one to continue serving the BM? I can only conclude that TfL must now be employing cast-offs from Theresa May's Brexit strategy team, with much the same effect. And besides, the 19/38 stop along Bloomsbury Way, which is almost as close to the British Museum as Great Russell Street. I think the 14 to Russell Square could be justified if it was extended onwards to King's Cross to replace with withdrawn 10. Also introduces a lot of new links - with currently no direct bus from Kings Cross/Euston to Piccadilly Circus / Green Park / Knightsbridge A reintroduction of the 14 to Euston (in particular) and Kings Cross would be nice, but would be a lot more use via Warren Street. Piccadilly Circus to Warren Street used to be quite well used ime when buses went at better than walking pace! The opportunity is currently available again, for a very short while, to travel directly from Warren Street to Picc too!
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Post by busman on May 21, 2019 21:56:41 GMT
Why is the 14 receiving a PVR increase of 3 (seems a bit excessive)? Surely Russell Square would be a similar distance from TCR as Warren Street? I suspect the run time is rather longer because the side roads being used as slow and laden with pedestrians (British Museum). Also LOTS said it was not yet clear what the s/b routing would be - via New Oxford Stn / TCR station or if it would run round by the back by St Giles Circus as the 19/38 do. Neither route is exactly fast. I was wondering the same thing. With the conversation of TCR to 2-way, it actually seems quicker to turn the 14 around at Warren Street. Also I’m sure I read a consultation or plan to pedestrianise the roads around the British Museum, so any routing past the British Museum may be short lived.
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Post by rif153 on May 21, 2019 22:27:22 GMT
I suspect the run time is rather longer because the side roads being used as slow and laden with pedestrians (British Museum). Also LOTS said it was not yet clear what the s/b routing would be - via New Oxford Stn / TCR station or if it would run round by the back by St Giles Circus as the 19/38 do. Neither route is exactly fast. I was wondering the same thing. With the conversation of TCR to 2-way, it actually seems quicker to turn the 14 around at Warren Street. Also I’m sure I read a consultation or plan to pedestrianise the roads around the British Museum, so any routing past the British Museum may be short lived. Perhaps part of TFL's thinking for sending the 14 to Russell Square was that the 14 parallels the Piccadilly Line anyway so that reduces the loss of connectivity. I'm sure they've known of the plans for donkeys years
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Post by busman on May 21, 2019 22:53:11 GMT
I was wondering the same thing. With the conversation of TCR to 2-way, it actually seems quicker to turn the 14 around at Warren Street. Also I’m sure I read a consultation or plan to pedestrianise the roads around the British Museum, so any routing past the British Museum may be short lived. Perhaps part of TFL's thinking for sending the 14 to Russell Square was that the 14 parallels the Piccadilly Line anyway so that reduces the loss of connectivity. I'm sure they've known of the plans for donkeys years Mate, I don’t think TfL are thinking anything strategic beyond saving cash. Once all the works are complete at TCR Station, some extra stand space should become available for TfL to lop back the 14 further and potentially another route such as the 98 if they fancied it. With the delays to Crossrail creating a hole in TfL’s finances and mooted pedestrianisation schemes, tougher times are ahead for bus users in central London.
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Post by sid on May 22, 2019 4:40:41 GMT
Nine maps.
Nine maps each containing multiple routes focused on a particular locality.
Here's one, as an example, for the Tottenham Court Road/Holborn area.
Could have been really useful, but instead unexpectedly overcomplicated.
That’s not a map. THIS is a map: www.shop.busmap.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=41&product_id=248😁 TfL need to commission Mike Harris for their maps and do away with this spider nonsense! I had a crazy dream the other night (some would say nightmare) that TfL reintroduced peak time extensions and bifurcations. I guess all these bus cuts have got me all nostalgic lol. That's the only decent bus map available nowadays! Nothing wrong with peak hour extensions or bifurcations which put buses where they're needed when they're needed, for example I think the 171 to Holborn could still be justified Mon-Fri peak hours but not all day everyday.
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