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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 22, 2018 10:36:58 GMT
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 22, 2018 11:34:45 GMT
How long before the left wing nutjobs call this racist? They will 
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Post by NWBusConnoisseur on Oct 22, 2018 19:33:13 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol.
I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse.
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2018 19:48:15 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol. I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse. What have police funding cuts got to do with Brexit? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2018 20:05:07 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol. I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse. The only thing I disagree with this is Brexit being a cause - that has nothing to do with it. It's cuts to policing, cuts to councils, cuts to education and cuts to social activities outside of school that has fuelled the rise alongside a deterioration in parenting standards. |
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Post by NWBusConnoisseur on Oct 22, 2018 20:16:00 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol. I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse. What have police funding cuts got to do with Brexit? The economy getting worse as a result of the referendum means that the government would have to cut spending if that makes sense. There are a whole lot of other reasons like that recession 10 years ago and government choices. You are probably more clued up on these kind of things (like Brexit) so I won't dwell on it too much (I probably shouldn't have even brought it up) but I still don't think calling for Sadiq Khan to resign is a good idea. |
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Post by NWBusConnoisseur on Oct 22, 2018 20:21:06 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol. I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse. The only thing I disagree with this is Brexit being a cause - that has nothing to do with it. It's cuts to policing, cuts to councils, cuts to education and cuts to social activities outside of school that has fuelled the rise alongside a deterioration in parenting standards. I would say the environment kids are growing up in is having more of an influence than parenting but parents are becoming much more lasier as I have seen with my younger cousins. And like I said before, I probably should've left Brexit out  |
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2018 20:29:07 GMT
What have police funding cuts got to do with Brexit? The economy getting worse as a result of the referendum means that the government would have to cut spending if that makes sense. There are a whole lot of other reasons like that recession 10 years ago and government choices. You are probably more clued up on these kind of things (like Brexit) so I won't dwell on it too much (I probably shouldn't have even brought it up) but I still don't think calling for Sadiq Khan to resign is a good idea. Fair enough and I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning would change very much. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 22, 2018 20:54:00 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol. I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse. I doubt he ever will, but he needs to go imo. Some of the crime is down to lack of police, but a lot of other things where parents cannot discipline their kids, they are looked down at even if they shout at their kids, they have to do long hours at work and cannot look after them in evenings, so they the kids hang out with local gangs. Many youth centres are closed. There is not much police can do these days to these youths unless caught in the act. Too much paperwork for police has made things worse also.
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Post by 15002 on Oct 22, 2018 21:13:24 GMT
I think the government as a whole is to blame and not just Sadiq Khan. It doesn't take a genius to know that the rise in violent crime and gang violence is a result of police funding cuts which is indirectly caused by Brexit but that's a whole other story. As one moped delivery driver once said in a documentary, "I've seen more gangs than police officers" and that's pretty scary especially if that's your job. Instead, they think censoring music will reduce it... lol. I don't think Sadiq Khan resigning will help and if anything, it might make matters worse. I doubt he ever will, but he needs to go imo. Some of the crime is down to lack of police, but a lot of other things where parents cannot discipline their kids, they are looked down at even if they shout at their kids, they have to do long hours at work and cannot look after them in evenings, so they the kids hang out with local gangs. Many youth centres are closed. There is not much police can do these days to these youths unless caught in the act. Too much paperwork for police has made things worse also.
100% agree with this post. Having been to Barking and Dagenham for several years, I can certainly attest to the level of gang violence increasing over the years. I’m assuming it’s mostly due to lack of discipline from parents, as you said but the lack of police fundings plays a role too. It certainly doesn’t help people that are stigmatising police officers though, with hashtags such as #EffThePolice thus discouraging more people to join the police force thus increasing in violent crimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 5:33:53 GMT
What have police funding cuts got to do with Brexit? The economy getting worse as a result of the referendum means that the government would have to cut spending if that makes sense. There are a whole lot of other reasons like that recession 10 years ago and government choices. You are probably more clued up on these kind of things (like Brexit) so I won't dwell on it too much (I probably shouldn't have even brought it up) but I still don't think calling for Sadiq Khan to resign is a good idea. But the economy has not gotten worse, it has vastly improved. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 23, 2018 7:56:08 GMT
I doubt he ever will, but he needs to go imo. Some of the crime is down to lack of police, but a lot of other things where parents cannot discipline their kids, they are looked down at even if they shout at their kids, they have to do long hours at work and cannot look after them in evenings, so they the kids hang out with local gangs. Many youth centres are closed. There is not much police can do these days to these youths unless caught in the act. Too much paperwork for police has made things worse also.
100% agree with this post. Having been to Barking and Dagenham for several years, I can certainly attest to the level of gang violence increasing over the years. I’m assuming it’s mostly due to lack of discipline from parents, as you said but the lack of police fundings plays a role too. It certainly doesn’t help people that are stigmatising police officers though, with hashtags such as #EffThePolice thus discouraging more people to join the police force thus increasing in violent crimes. And while I may sound politically incorrect, the “human rights” lobby most of the time argues only for the guys committing crimes. “Oh the police is racist” “the youth doesn’t have anything to do” “police atrocities” and so on. The police unfairly get blamed in case do car / bike chases. I once saw a thief drive a bike away at full speed without a helmet from a shop at Liverpool Street knowing fully well that police wouldn’t chase him in case something happened to him. Lo and behold, the chase was very half-hearted..... the incident about the pensioner in hither green comes to mind |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 23, 2018 8:35:27 GMT
100% agree with this post. Having been to Barking and Dagenham for several years, I can certainly attest to the level of gang violence increasing over the years. I’m assuming it’s mostly due to lack of discipline from parents, as you said but the lack of police fundings plays a role too. It certainly doesn’t help people that are stigmatising police officers though, with hashtags such as #EffThePolice thus discouraging more people to join the police force thus increasing in violent crimes. And while I may sound politically incorrect, the “human rights” lobby most of the time argues only for the guys committing crimes. “Oh the police is racist” “the youth doesn’t have anything to do” “police atrocities” and so on. The police unfairly get blamed in case do car / bike chases. I once saw a thief drive a bike away at full speed without a helmet from a shop at Liverpool Street knowing fully well that police wouldn’t chase him in case something happened to him. Lo and behold, the chase was very half-hearted..... the incident about the pensioner in hither green comes to mind I fully agree, that is also part of the problem, many police fear doing their job in worry they may end up in the court over their actions. The so called do gooders are always picking up for the criminals, then they are the first ones crying out at police cuts. They seem to think just police walking down the streets (bobbies on the beat) stops crime. But in effect it would only stop a very small proportion of crimes. |
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Post by sid on Oct 23, 2018 8:53:15 GMT
And while I may sound politically incorrect, the “human rights” lobby most of the time argues only for the guys committing crimes. “Oh the police is racist” “the youth doesn’t have anything to do” “police atrocities” and so on. The police unfairly get blamed in case do car / bike chases. I once saw a thief drive a bike away at full speed without a helmet from a shop at Liverpool Street knowing fully well that police wouldn’t chase him in case something happened to him. Lo and behold, the chase was very half-hearted..... the incident about the pensioner in hither green comes to mind I fully agree, that is also part of the problem, many police fear doing their job in worry they may end up in the court over their actions. The so called do gooders are always picking up for the criminals, then they are the first ones crying out at police cuts. They seem to think just police walking down the streets (bobbies on the beat) stops crime. But in effect it would only stop a very small proportion of crimes. The argument is that a visible police presence deters a lot of crime before it happens although whether it just drives it elsewhere is another matter. The public expect the police to be able to deal with criminals robustly but at the same time expect them to be held accountable when things go wrong such as the shooting of an innocent man at Stockwell and it's difficult to balance the two. Also incidents like this: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2018-10-22/julian-cole-three-police-officers-found-guilty-of-gross-misconduct-after-student-left-paralysed/ |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 23, 2018 10:20:28 GMT
I fully agree, that is also part of the problem, many police fear doing their job in worry they may end up in the court over their actions. The so called do gooders are always picking up for the criminals, then they are the first ones crying out at police cuts. They seem to think just police walking down the streets (bobbies on the beat) stops crime. But in effect it would only stop a very small proportion of crimes. The argument is that a visible police presence deters a lot of crime before it happens although whether it just drives it elsewhere is another matter. The public expect the police to be able to deal with criminals robustly but at the same time expect them to be held accountable when things go wrong such as the shooting of an innocent man at Stockwell and it's difficult to balance the two. Also incidents like this: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2018-10-22/julian-cole-three-police-officers-found-guilty-of-gross-misconduct-after-student-left-paralysed/The problems with police trust stem right back to the days of the Broadwater & Brixton riots where the police were openly racist and targeted minorities on purpose - these communities haven't forgotten this for good or bad and until that changes, the present day situation will merely continue. |
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